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Why Is 'IFE' So Important To Pax?  
User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 870 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

Why is it when an airline comes into a market, people cannot be simply excited that they are being chosen for new service. Instead, people have to knock the airline down. One of the biggest complaints I see listed on these forums is the lack of IFE (in-flight entertainment).

Do we Americans have that short of an attention span that we need all of these stupid little bells and whistles, where the fact we are flying alone is no longer good enough entertainment? Read a book or bring your own 'IFE'. God knows Americans can use a little more ed-juh-ma-cation. Look at the children of this country...the last thing they need are more 'IFE' so they can sit in another place for hours on end and let their mind get turned to mush in front of a television screen. We need less in-home entertainment and more outdoor, physical entertainment. Obviously on an aeroplane, this is not possible, but the lack of an attention span here and around the world sickens me.

Feel free to flame away, but I am just curious what the big love affair with IFE is - especially on flights of fewer than five hours - i.e. domestically. I can see the need on long-haul flights. Sorry, just had to get it off of my chest. It irritates me as much as the blown-out of proportion Peter Max threads. That plane is ugly. That's right, I said it...and while we're at it, the 'where is B6 going next' and 'when will NW retire its DC-9s' or 'US did a great job on the retro liveries, but...' threads.

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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5583 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10902 times:

Big news flash: Ife isn't important at all to most passengers, especially in domestic flying. Most passengers want reliable, reasonably-priced, safe air travel, and most will not pay more for something so trivial as TV or stereo music.

The IFE can make a difference when it is the differentiating factor between two carriers (although service and frequency are still going to be the key determinants).

It is predominantly teen-aged aviation enthusiasts who get all excited about IFE and care (or, often, vene know) which type of aircraft they are flying on.

Most flyers, and especially most business flyers, just want reliable, frequent service (so they can spend the least time away from home), reasonable fares (so they can afford to buy the travel in the first place), and reasonable flexibility on fare and change rules (so changing plans can be accommodated).

IFE is way down the list.



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User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10885 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 1):
IFE is way down the list.

Totally agree. If IFE was on top of the list Lufthansa would be out of business by now  Wink


User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10876 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 1):
IFE is way down the list.

Speak for yourself. If I have two competing airlines offering comparable products at a similar price and schedule, I'll take the one with the IFE thanks very much!

I never fly YYZ-LHR on AC. I use BA for the same price because of the IFE. Admittedly, they also have better service and nicer aircraft, but at the end of the day, if I'm going to spend 7+ hours crossing the Atlantic, I would rather have my own PTV instead of having to crank my neck and squint my eyes to catch the movie.

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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5583 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10859 times:

Quoting Canuckpaxguy (Reply 3):
Speak for yourself. If I have two competing airlines offering comparable products at a similar price and schedule, I'll take the one with the IFE thanks very much!

I always speak for myself, unless I am quoting someone else, in which case attribution is included.

But read what I wrote, again- I agreed with you. The IFE can be the differentiating factor in choosing between two carriers on the same pair. Of course, if I had my way, Channel 9 would be a mandatory install on every aircraft, but that's the pilot geek in me.

(edit)

And, by the way, I will pay a little extra for IFE on international flights, for reasonably obvious reasons.

[Edited 2006-07-01 21:09:44]


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

The main thing I'd be willing to pay extra for is a couple of inches more pitch... on flights of any length, IFE isn't even on my list of things I'd be willing to pay extra for.

I still don't get why people need to watch reruns of films on monitors so small that, even if they weren't built into the seats so low or at such a bad angle that the picture is barely visible, it'd still be hard on the eyes... maybe it's just me, but if I want to see a film, I'll go see it at a cinema or, also somewhat acceptable, on TV.



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User currently offlineEugdog From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

Nothing irritates me more then people who think we are sinful because we care too much about our enjoyment. I am afraid the first poster is in the category. He thinks IFE is a self indulgence which we punish ourselves by going with out it. Enviromentalist, vegans, devout catholics, radical muslims - they are all the same. There are too many people who think that too much pleasure is sinful! Their behaviour is just another version of self flagellation!

But back to the issue of IFE

IFE is very important for long haul economy class flights because it is too cramp or uncomfortable to sleep properly - paradoxically it is less important in 1st because the hardworking business people who go first use the flight time to sleep. (this according to world airline guide)

I am amazed that Lufthansa get away with no IFE - but that will not last!

As for seat pitch - more seat pitch means less passengers/revenue. Although IFE must impose some wieght/payload penalty!

As the readers above stated IFE can be the tiebreaker that makes people choose one airline over the other. If price and seat pitch are the same I would choose the airline withthe best IFE

[Edited 2006-07-01 21:41:08]

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10786 times:

I could barely care less about IFE. It's nice if PTVs are installed and better yet, work properly, but it's not worth paying more than the two bucks you'd pay Blockbuster to rent a movie. As said above, the screens are tiny, lots of reflections on the screen etc, it's hardly worth paying extra for. Doesn't anyone read books any more? And is seeing the world from 7 miles up not worth the price of admission alone?


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10786 times:

Dont confuse a.net with the real world......IFE is not nearly as important as some a.net members claim it to be.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10773 times:

I personally think for the 737RS, Boeing should include basic audio/video IFE as standard, as they do with their widebodies. There are no Boeing, Airbus, McDonnell Douglas, or Lockheed widebodies that I know of without IFE. If an airline doesn't want to use the IFE system, the wisest option would be to use the screen for Airshow.

[Edited 2006-07-01 21:44:29]


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10747 times:
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Quoting Leskova (Reply 5):
I still don't get why people need to watch reruns of films on monitors so small that, even if they weren't built into the seats so low or at such a bad angle that the picture is barely visible, it'd still be hard on the eyes... maybe it's just me, but if I want to see a film, I'll go see it at a cinema or, also somewhat acceptable, on TV.

Frank, to be honest - the last time I have been in a cinema was more than 2 years ago. That being said, I can watch a DVD at home. However, when I travel on longhaul flights and are unable to sleep; I enjoy watching a film, documentary or comedy show.

Yesterday on QF63 (SYD-JNB), the IFE crashed and the crew were unable to get it into working mode, whilst communicating with QF engineers in SYD. About 3 hours into the 13h30min daylight flight the system corrected itself into a "semi-working mode". At the time it did not bother me, as I was working through my sheetmusic of the Mozart Requiem, but after I have been through the Requiem 4 times, I really would have appreciated some IFE.  Smile


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 9):
I personally think for the 737RS, Boeing should include basic audio/video IFE as standard, as they do with their widebodies. There are no Boeing, Airbus, McDonnell Douglas, or Lockheed widebodies that I know of without IFE. If an airline doesn't want to use the IFE system, the wisest option would be to use the screen for Airshow.

[Edited 2006-07-01 21:44:29]

As far as I know, IFE are specified by the airline customer......IFE is not a standard or optional feature like a CD player in a car.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10721 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
As far as I know, IFE are specified by the airline customer......IFE is not a standard or optional feature like a CD player in a car.

The manufacturer and specific system of the IFE is specified by the airline. I do believe for widebodies, a basic IFE A/V system (no PTVs) is included at no additional cost, hence why all Boeing, Airbus, McDonnell Douglas, and Lockheed widebodies have both audio and video. For narrowbodies, I believe it has to be added at an additional cost.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10706 times:
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Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 7):
Doesn't anyone read books any more? And is seeing the world from 7 miles up not worth the price of admission alone?

See reply 10. On QF63 (SYD-JNB), you see land for a maximum of 2 hours. The rest of the flight is over the ocean. Yes, you can watch the ocean, but it does happen that the skies are clouded over, like yesterday, and you are unable to get a panoramic view of the sea....  Wink


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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5304 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10706 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 1):
It is predominantly teen-aged aviation enthusiasts who get all excited about IFE and care (or, often, vene know) which type of aircraft they are flying on.

I'd beg to differ on that one. IFE is a great way to pass the time on long haul flights. Most longhaul flights I've been on with QF/Aa/BA the majority of PAX have been watching something on their PTV's.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
Dont confuse a.net with the real world......IFE is not nearly as important as some a.net members claim it to be.

Then why are airlines spending so much upgreading it???


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10681 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 14):
Then why are airlines spending so much upgreading it???

Some airlines are upgrading, some are not.

Dont get me wrong, a good IFE system is appreciated, especially on a long haul segment....it does make the hours pass more quickly. But many at a.net seem to think that the world will come to an end if they dont have a PTV with AVOD, Direct TV and XM Radio on a 45 minute flight.

A good IFE system is a marketing advantage on longer flights, many airlines are adding new features. But airlines have not rushed to sign up for Direct TV systems, Satellite Radio systems, or the like in big numbers. AVOD is only slowly working its way into the IFE systems of some airlines.......and some carriers still are not specifying PTVs in their Y cabins, even on long range flights.

Inflight Internet will become a big issue shortly.....and the possibility of being on-line during a long flight will become far more important than the possibility of watching the Discovery Channel in flight.


User currently offlineCOERJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

IFE is necessary on transcontinental routes. Imagine flying EWR-SIN with a book, ipod, and the little symbol in front of you that says "life jacket under seat".

On the other hand IFE onboard domestic service isn't necessary for almost all passengers, it's completely an aspect of marketing that says "You're gonna fly us because we're better than everybody else since we have a TV that will entertain you."

To the average person, not the average a.netter, what makes Jetblue better than any other airline without the directv, leather seats, and brand new planes.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Quoting COERJ (Reply 16):
To the average person, not the average a.netter, what makes Jetblue better than any other airline without the directv, leather seats, and brand new planes.

It isn't fair how JetBlue gets better ratings than Delta. I have been on a refurbished Delta 757, and I am pretty sure the average passenger would have thought that he/she was on a brand new aircraft.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10639 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):

It isn't fair how JetBlue gets better ratings than Delta. I have been on a refurbished Delta 757, and I am pretty sure the average passenger would have thought that he/she was on a brand new aircraft.

Problem is that on their return DL flight, they were on an non-refurbished MD88 and the pax knew that they were not on a brand new airplane.

The whole JetBlue, Direct TV thing is so difficult to figure out.....JetBlue seems to have convinced the flying public (especially in NYC and Florida) that JetBlue is a special experience....reasonable fares and an upscale product...its marketing at its finest.


User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10622 times:

A question for FAs..how many people actually know how to use the IFE..and do? I enjoy the view of the world from 6 miles up...but after a while, the
irrigation circles in the midwest get a little booorrrring...
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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 1):
It is predominantly teen-aged aviation enthusiasts who get all excited about IFE and care (or, often, vene know) which type of aircraft they are flying on.

This is so true, particularly among the working stiffs sitting there with their laptops doing actual work. When you get on a full MD80 on AA or DL (and to some extent, a 737 on WN), flying from a hub to a business city, in the middle of the week, what you see is that 70 percent of the passengers (and probably 90 percent of the revenue) are actively doing some sort of work on a laptop or papers. Others are snoozing. Others are reading the newspaper or a book or a magazine. The rest are candidates for IFE.

What amazes me about all the folks that talk on here about "replacing the MD80s with 737-800s with IFE!!!" is that if you look at what's being played on the IFE on those same carriers' same routes as the MD80s, it's crap. It's a sitcom or some travel advertorial or the route map, the latter being about the only thing that any biz pax look up at. I think that it is extraordinarily revealing about IFE that B6 couldn't get away with charging ($5) for it on an a la carte basis. That means that on average to the average customer, it's worth significantly less than $5. I'd be curious to see what Frontier gets for it *per occupied segment-seat*. I'll bet it's $1 to $1.50. I think that the benefit to B6 of the IFE is more the image that it creates for the airline and the electronic mesmerization of passengers that it induces in those who aren't otherwise occupied, thus leading to a feeling that the passenger service was more attentive than it actually was.


User currently offlinePhilhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10590 times:

Quoting Jetpixx (Thread starter):

Why don't you tell us how you really feel, Jetpixx?

Seriously, though, your arguments about attention spans and such are somewhat valid, but this is airline travel we are talking about. It's not like there is anything else to do except read or sleep. Flying with kids is challenging.

Anyone that has kids and who has travelled with them knows that you basically have to do whatever it takes to keep them happy for the flight. This is not so much an issue when the flight is 1-2 hours, but more than 3 can become a challenge (both to the parents and other passengers). In the cases where we've taken planes equipped with IFE, the flights went smoother. Yeah, the kids' faces were glued to a little screen, but this doesn't last indefinately. We also played games and read - the same things we do when there is no IFE, as well as at home when the TV is off.

When I'm travelling alone, I could just as well do without it.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25573 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10584 times:
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This is from a trip report - the first day of the Frontier SFO-LAX service - from a dedicated Southwest flier, not a teenager:

LAX-OAK On WN; SFO-LAX On F9 (by Mymorningsong Jun 30 2006 in Trip Reports)

"The big differentiator is IFE in each seat. F9 was offering free DirecTV by booking online, but they are giving it away on this route for the next month to celebrate their inaugural flights. When else am I going to be interested in watching the 2005 World Domino Championship (semi-finals no less) on ESPN2. It was awesome. Partners were getting really pissed off at each other when they lost a game. One of the guys was even named (bad bad) Leroy Brown. Tough for WN to compete with that."

So it would seem to make a difference, even on short flights.

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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10564 times:
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Number one reason is it keeps children busy.


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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 20):
particularly among the working stiffs sitting there with their laptops doing actual work.

Well, you know how is it... When I return to the office, there is always something else to do, than prepare the trip report (mandatory in our company). So I better do it while flying home...


25 9V-SPJ : I like to read books on flights, but can you really sit an read a book for an entire 14hr transpacific crossing? I would say that in economy, IFE is r
26 CV990 : Hi! I think ( and agree with some friends said here...) that IFE in long distance flights is a value-added to a passenger! And like some other fellows
27 Post contains images VinnieWinnie : Allow me to disagree! Though most "normal" passengers do not choose an airline because of the IFE, it's a plus for them which they definitely like an
28 Bicoastal : Because people today don't know how to read. And we as a society are becoming dumber and dumber each day.
29 Geniusjacky : Seriously, domestic flight less than say 3 hours does not really matter whether the plane has IFE or not. However, for longer flights, as most others
30 FireFly : Amen to that! The passenger environment is much different today than it was 25 years ago. Then, men and women dressed up for flying and stewardesses
31 ZKSUJ : IFE is quite ahead in the list as far as I know, people I know would happily pay a bit extra to have their own PTV than watch the big screen. On long
32 EMBQA : If you look at the questions being asked about IFE here on A.net it mostly come from the 13-20 year olds. As a passenger personally don't care if a pl
33 IFEMaster : Because it keeps me in a job??? Perhaps...
34 GQfluffy : I have IFE on every flight I'm on. Usually comes in the form of a magazine or a book.
35 Dutchjet : Could be...... The big question is will pax pay extra......not a.net members, Mr and Ms Travelling Public who are booking a flight. Does the average
36 Indy : Because long haul flights are long, boring, and you are cramped in a tiny seat like a sardine. The food is usually of marginal quality at best so why
37 Socalfive : NECESSARY? I can imagine exactly what you just articulated, I've done it several times, only without an Ipod. Most people can't tell a new aircraft f
38 Trey : if you have ever been on a 12+ hr flgiht, you'd know why IFE is a good thing. i like to read and sleep as much as the next guy however, when is the la
39 Indy : I've been on 8 hour flights with IFE and 8 hour flights without IFE. I'll never fly on a long haul flight again that doesn't have IFE.
40 Erjmech : Quoting EMBQA. As a mechanic, it's just more sh*t to break and more sh*t to work on. Truer words have never been spoken about IFE... I have to start p
41 Socalfive : LOL...And your favorite hobby as listed in your profile is "Watching TV", so I'm sure it's a given you can't live longer than 20 minutes at a time wi
42 WildcatYXU : Dude, I really don't get your point. That should be a plus for you. When my employer brings in a new technology with all problems connected to it, I
43 Post contains images Indy : I didn't think people actually bothered to read that stuff. Actually I don't watch much tv. Who needs TV when you have the net? But if I didn't have
44 Erjmech : Wildcat.....EMBQA is not complaining about more work....there are different niches in aviation that we all belong to. Mine happens happens to a time v
45 9252fly : I'm curious as to which would be considered more desirable,LiveTV or AVOD?
46 AeroWesty : IFE = Inflight Entertainment PTV = Personal TV It's amazing the number of statements made about one airline or another has no IFE, when in fact IFE ha
47 Boeingpride800 : what did people do 20-30 years ago when it was just a loud buzzing engine you heard instead of an IFE onboard?? Passengers demand a lot these days.
48 Jfrworld : Its because people today are overstimulated. We have TV, video games, music mass media, and the internet constantly surrounding us. When you take all
49 Post contains images Christao17 : While I don't read every single post on a.net, I can't recall ever reading that complaint with regards to new service entry into a market. From what
50 Dutchjet : Read a couple of a.net threads concerning IFE and/or read some trip reports where the IFE system failed......then get back to me! Back in the olden d
51 Philhyde : Exactly. It's not like we're promoting SUV's with video systems. On more than one occasion I've witnessed a flight attendant assist a mother travelin
52 ExFATboy : Two thoughts: (1) live in the real world, dude. YOU try "teaching them to sleep or read" on a damn plane going to visit Nana & Poppa in Florida. Kids
53 BeechNut : This is a very good question. I prefer my own IFE, in the form of a good book, which helps get me into a "zen" zone: read, doze, read. But once, on my
54 ZKSUJ : That is a good point. The people I am talking about are not anet members. Howevere they do ask me which airline has IFE before they book. Thus I can
55 TACAA320 : Totally agree with you. For example, CM in their brand new Emb190 don't have [as long as I know] IFE.They are going to use them in their route PTY/MA
56 Tsaord : I dont want to be stuck in a metal tube for 8 hours with nothing than the seat and someone next to me. So ill bring me a dvd player and an ipod. I got
57 Socalfive : Done it, raised three kids, without yelling at them and they were all taught to respect other people. So, I do live in the real world 'dude'. The dif
58 Post contains images ExFATboy : You've NEVER yelled at your kids? Sure... If your children are able to sit quietly on the plane and read or sleep, I'm very happy for you, and I hope
59 BoomBoom : Recently on a NW flight from SEA to DTW they were renting digiEplayers for $5 that month. I wanted to sleep but planned to try one on the return fligh
60 Kdm : I would not even consider doing a trip without IFE. Unless it is a short flight of less than 7 hours. That said even for a quick 4 hour flight from Si
61 Flaps : I know I'm not typical. Hell, my TV barely gets 5 hours a week of use. A NASCAR race on a rainy Sunday and a DVD or two and thats it. Give me a window
62 Wr70beh : Great statement. Parents use TV and other gadgets way too much as babysitters. Better yet, be like us and don't have kids. I do the same thing on fli
63 AirSpare : My Top 3 Reasons to Like IFE 1) It gives the idiot next to me on trans Atlantic flights something to do after I tell him to shut the f up, I don't car
64 MD80fanatic : I think you have hit the nail on the head with this response. Now you know exactly why airlines are clamoring to add IFE to their aircraft. It's chea
65 Jetdeltamsy : Do you fly? Passive entertainment is what people love. Reading requires work. Knitting requires work. Crossword puzzles require work. Watching "Will
66 CRGsFuture : The only reason why I like IFE is because I can see where the position of the aircraft is and not look over 10 heads from my cushioned window seat.
67 NZCH : I have flown from heathrow to auckland on air new zealand in november 2003 with no personal inflight entertainment and i found extremly painful, borin
68 Post contains images FATFlyer : IFE is pretty meaningless to me personally. It actually is next to last on my list of things to do on a flight to kill time. I find most of the choice
69 Jwenting : Well said. In fact I prefer more legroom to a thick seatback with a flickering screen in front of me, and increased width of my useful seat to a bunc
70 Kdm : Their is a time and a place for such things Surely we are not so desperate to educate children we have to do it on holiday as well.
71 Post contains images SA7700 : As a matter of interest, when was the last time you flew on a 13+ hour flight with just a book? Personally I consider any commercial flight longer th
72 Aviator27 : Here is my two cents. I rarely even use IFE on domestic flights. However, on long haul across the pond, I especially prefer VOD. This way I can watch
73 ANstar : Before I go on - Are we mainly talking about longhaul or short haul IFE. Many of you are saying I don;t need IFE on my 1 or 2 hourt flight. Well I agr
74 Khalyavia : Some JetBlue folks might be more familiar with this, but during it's beginning, JetBlue's IFE was not working on all aircraft. When customer service s
75 DavidT : For short haul, IFE is no necessity. However for long haul, it's almost essential. I certainly couldn't face a 9-10 hour flight with just a book or tw
76 MD80fanatic : Isnt it disturbing that, in the span of 50 years, television has gone from something we could choose to utilize to something that we need?
77 DavidT : The same could be said about a lot of things. And, 50 years ago, long haul jet travel was not something that was commonplace. However it is a fact of
78 Post contains images Leskova : Good summation... I currently watch between 30 and 60 minutes of TV a day, often it just stays off for several days - I prefer reading... perhaps tha
79 Jonty : I don't think IFE is that important! I liked it when A was little coz I cudn't reed gud like! But now I just get a paper or a book and read. As I see
80 Samair : I think IFE is important what would nervous passengers do to preoccupy there minds what would cabin crew do with lots more presses of the call button
81 Nicolasdec : I am a twelve year old boy,i love aviation,and i dont give a damn about IFE...sure when youre travelling for 12hrs at night,and cant sleep its nice to
82 Crjflyer35 : I totally agree with the statement that IFE isn't required for flights less than 3 or 4 hours. Anything over that, I start to get stir crazy. I'm not
83 Newkai : I hardly ever go to the movies, or watch a movie on TV. But if I'm already stuck in a seat for several hours, I might as well watch a movie if I'm not
84 N593HA : When I flew from AMS to HNL via SEA on NW during my last winter-break, I dis not care much about the movies that were offered on the AVOD system (333)
85 Post contains images SKYYBLUE : I personally could sit and look out the window for 5 hours and be in heaven. Having had experience working with both IFE/no IFE, I must say...When it
86 NZ8800 : That really is annoying - great view out the window, but the movie must be watched (!) That's the first time someone said that on this thread. It's a
87 Rmd11 : Agreed
88 Socalfive : You're right! "There" is a time and place for such things; beginning at home, taking charge and not having to worry about such matters on holiday. De
89 777-200 : I have to have IFE if the flight is over 8hrs, it would get to boring, I mean looking out the window is fun but what is there to see at 35,000 feet? a
90 Philhyde : The prevalence of unsolicited parenting advice on forums still amazes me. The issue of whether parents use TV too much is obviously much debated, but
91 ANstar : Sort of like the Internet has done in 5 years!
92 Socalfive : Actually, your parenting style factors into MY choice as a consumer as well and legitimizes the issue within the thread. Given that fact and your def
93 Philhyde : Your conclusion has merit. Again, I am not trying to defend the condition which results in anyone "demanding" IFE. With comments like "people that sh
94 Socalfive : Parents that know what I'm saying aren't defensive
95 Post contains images Lightsaber : That's exactly it, the true value of IFE, it gets that stranger next to you to leave you alone. Oh, I'm sociable. But here are my stats on flying: 1.
96 ManuCH : When choosing the airline for my last ZRH-JFK trip, IFE was very important: I actually picked LX for ZRH-JFK because I knew their A330 has a good IFE
97 Jetpixx : Ya know...Lightsaber might have just changed my whole tune on this IFE matter - lol. My stats are similar, but No. 4 is in the thousands. In fact, No
98 GuitrThree : Ok. Let me get this straight. Only Americans demand IFE? Really? I'm not sure if this thread isn't just more of a Bash America thread than and IFE th
99 Post contains links TWAtwaTWA : It's not just about short attention span- when given a simple choice, most people in the world would choose IFE vs. no IFE. After all, if you don't w
100 Post contains links and images FATFlyer : Like new car smell? You mean that chemical smell given off by sythetics that is now questionable whether it is safe to breathe? http://www.msnbc.msn.
101 TWAtwaTWA : Looks like I chose the wrong week to stop sniffing glue! - Lloyd Bridges in the movie Airplane!
102 1337Delta764 : If you like the "new aircraft scent", fly on a Delta 767-400ER.
103 AirbusA6 : a) I couldn't care less on short haul. b) On long haul it's a different matter 1) When you fly over oceans, over cloud or at night time, what is there
104 Post contains images NZ8800 : I DO listen to my music on my home LP player like in the good old days I buy way too many 80s records... Rock on Debbie Harry... "here comes the 21st
105 Post contains images Dutchjet : The 764s still smell after five years......that does sound very nice.
106 EMBQA : .....and what was our biggest headache on that project last week...? The IFE system...!!!
107 Lotsamiles : My favorite IFE is my laptop and a wifi connection. That I am happy to pay for. Lotsamiles
108 1011 : Just give me a window seat, channel 9, and no screaming babies and I'm good for hours.
109 Indy : I would be thrilled with internet on a flight. Then again I thought it would be cool to have a usb hub or something with me and have a little lan part
110 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Want exciting IFE? Fly Aeroflot. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/80919/
111 Post contains images DesertFlyer : I am an enviromentalist, and live with vegans, and none of us would say PTV's or good IFE is "sinful." Pleasure is in no way bad either. I'm not real
112 Lotsamiles : Then there is also the Hooters Air concept. I guess that wasn't enough of a draw in the end as they are gone now.
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