Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3301 posts, RR: 44 Posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5973 times:
I searched for somewhere to ask this but couldn't find any threads remotely linked so I have had to start a new thread just to ask this question. Please feel free moderators too delete after a while.
My question...is this real? Obviously it looks like a fake
I thought it was fake until I read...With Richard Branson on the ground to talk about how he wants to wrest Concorde away from the spoilsports at BA intent on retiring her, the A340 provided a stunning display belying its huge size... and the banner on the rear fuselage said it all!
Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3301 posts, RR: 44 Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5916 times:
Quoting Thetuna (Reply 2): I can't find the photo in the database that shows this.
The thought never occured to me to look in the database until EMBQA suggested it, and so I looked at the old pictures of G-VFOX and low and behold......
KFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3262 posts, RR: 33 Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5899 times:
Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3301 posts, RR: 44 Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4425 times:
Quoting BA767s (Reply 10): He offered to but BA wouldnt sell to him.
Damn BA! I would love to have seen the concordes kept in service, or at least flying condition! They would have looked OKish in the Virgin Atlantic colours!
Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 49 Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3603 times:
Quoting BA767s (Reply 10): He offered to but BA wouldnt sell to him.
And considering what BOAC/BA paid for them that is a decision that should not have been theirs to make!!!
Having said that SRB despite his considerable acheivements is something of a brash talker(bet most of you didn't know that ) and would likely have not been serious about a long term plan!
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
Diesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1625 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2516 times:
Didn't matter whether BA wanted to sell Concorde or not, manufacturer (which = Airbus iirc) support was withdrawn so no-one could fly it...
Branson would have been aware of that, so was able to have a few digs at BA, come up with a media and people friendly plan of keeping them in service, fully aware that it would never happen, and that there was no risk of him having to take on a hugely expensive aircraft that he would never have been able to operate profitably in the then current economic situation.
Wrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
The picture is true, though that sticker was slapped on there for a bit of free publicity.
Sir Richard never misses a chance to poke fun at BA.
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 11): Damn BA! I would love to have seen the Concordes kept in service, or at least flying condition! They would have looked OKish in the Virgin Atlantic colours!
That offer from SRB was almost certainly made with the knowledge that BA wouldn't sell them to him, so, why not make some free publicity, to make him look good, there were too many things stacked against VS operating Concorde.
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 14): Even to have them in service for even a year or two would have been nice
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Concorde fly again, but keeping one in airworthy service, so it can be flown once or twice a year isn't feasible.
And, once it's kept in service for a year or 2, people will still be as reluctant to let her go.
BA/BOAC paid £125million for the original fleet of 5, not the £1 an aircraft myth thats been propagating.
Yes, and add onto that, the maintince costs, the fuel, flight/cabin crew wadges (who were higher paid than non Concorde crew) and the cost to get them back into service after the crash.
I think someone predicted that BA had spent more than £1billion on the Concorde fleet in total.
Wrighbrothers
Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2403 times:
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 18): Yes, and add onto that, the maintince costs, the fuel, flight/cabin crew wadges (who were higher paid than non Concorde crew) and the cost to get them back into service after the crash.
I think someone predicted that BA had spent more than £1billion on the Concorde fleet in total.
Yup, Concorde operated with a profit with only 50% passenger counts, with a total profit of around £1.7billion against operating costs of £1billion for BA at retirement.
EGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1686 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 11): Damn BA! I would love to have seen the concordes kept in service, or at least flying condition! They would have looked OKish in the Virgin Atlantic colours!
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 14): Even to have them in service for even a year or two would have been nice
See below.......
Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 17): Didn't matter whether BA wanted to sell Concorde or not, manufacturer (which = Airbus iirc) support was withdrawn so no-one could fly it...
Branson would have been aware of that, so was able to have a few digs at BA, come up with a media and people friendly plan of keeping them in service, fully aware that it would never happen, and that there was no risk of him having to take on a hugely expensive aircraft that he would never have been able to operate profitably in the then current economic situation.
Branson knew that BA wouldnt sell him Concorde, as Airbus wouldn't let Virgin operate them. So what he did was to (twice) offer a ludicrous sum of money (£1 then £1m per Concorde) knowing full well BA would say no, as not only could VS not operate them, but even if they could why would BA sell their aircraft to their main rival and the supersonic customers that go with it? Branson KNEW this, and once again, Joe Public thinks the Beard is the good guy, and BA is the bad guy.
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 18): That offer from SRB was almost certainly made with the knowledge that BA wouldn't sell them to him, so, why not make some free publicity, to make him look good, there were too many things stacked against VS operating Concorde.
Quite.
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 18): Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Concorde fly again, but keeping one in airworthy service, so it can be flown once or twice a year isn't feasible.
And, once it's kept in service for a year or 2, people will still be as reluctant to let her go.
No-one wants to see Concorde fly more than I do (don't even try to challenge that one!!!), I even joined Save Concorde Group in an effort to try and get something pheasible going. However, the fact remains that as things stand, Concorde will not fly again. Airbus don't want it, AF don't want it, and as long as those two don't want it, neither do BA.
The fact that people are so gullible as to believe the Beard could "Get it up" is what annoys me. BA tried their hardest to keep them flying, and if it hadn't been for BA, Concorde would have retired a lot earlier in 2003. In fact, if it wasn't for BA, Concorde could have gone as early as the 1980s. People would do well to remember that.
PS, I might add I've never flown with either airline, but it looks like I'm flying with VS in September to Sydney, I'll probably write a trip report too....
Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3301 posts, RR: 44 Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 19): Yup, Concorde operated with a profit with only 50% passenger counts, with a total profit of around £1.7billion against operating costs of £1billion for BA at retirement.
Was this 0.7 billion pounds not worth keeping it in service?
Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 18): That offer from SRB was almost certainly made with the knowledge that BA wouldn't sell them to him, so, why not make some free publicity, to make him look good, there were too many things stacked against VS operating Concorde.
Good old SRB!
Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2328 times:
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 22):
Was this 0.7 billion pounds not worth keeping it in service?
No, spares had run out, all the aircraft were coming up to major checks, operating costs were increasing, passenger numbers decreasing and Air France wanted out.
EGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1686 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2234 times:
Quoting Legoguy (Reply 22): Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 19):
Yup, Concorde operated with a profit with only 50% passenger counts, with a total profit of around £1.7billion against operating costs of £1billion for BA at retirement.
Was this 0.7 billion pounds not worth keeping it in service?
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 23): No, spares had run out, all the aircraft were coming up to major checks, operating costs were increasing, passenger numbers decreasing and Air France wanted out.
Not to mention the fact that Airbus had stated they would no longer support Concorde, therefore BA couldn't hav kept them in service any longer than they did. BA fully intended to fly Concorde until about 2006/2007, so they would just about be finishing now anyway, and Branson would have probably tried to pull the same stunt, and probably we would all be having these threads again and again when it has been discussed to death.
I came, I saw, I Concorde! RIP Michael Jackson
25 BlueFlyer: And BA wasn't smart/courageous/bold (take your pick) enough to tell Branson to buy the Concorde for a cool million a piece and see how long VS could
26 EGTESkyGod: Admittedly, it would've been funny to see Branson eat his words, however not at Concorde's expense. Besides, why would BA sell a retired Concorde to
27 74472: For all you misguided fools I will tell you that initially BOAC didnt want the Concorde fleet because it was seen as a money pit. Hence the token pri
28 BlueFlyer: I'm surprised to read that BA sold their Concorde to museums. I would have thought they would have donated the aircraft and taken a tax write-off inst
29 Yirmiyahu: LQQKs like a very nice flight sim photo with outstanding graphics. IMHO
30 74472: They didnt sell them. They're on loan. I sat on the flight deck of Concorde for take-off out of JFK. I doubt if you have because if you had you would
31 RichardPrice: And yet *again* this crap comes to the surface. BOAC placed an initial order for 6 options in 1963, in 1964 this was increased to 8 options. In 1972
32 74472: Well if we're going to split hairs ! LOL I didn't know that Richard but the rest is pretty much true. Thankyou for putting me right.
33 BlueFlyer: I'm not calling Concorde scrap metal. I'm saying that if BA indeed sold them to museums, they should not have sold them for more than the scrap metal
34 74472: Well why didn't you just say so. lol It's all academic anyway because they havn't been sold.
35 StealthZ: Richard, happy to stand corrected! Regards, Chris PS if their book value was only £1.00 then maybe the BA shareholders should have insisted they sel
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