Robertmalpass From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10680 times:
Does anyone know what the upper deck was/is like on the old 741s, the ones with just the three windows. Was it used for j-class pax or crew rest? Also which airlines still fly these old birds? I'm pretty sure IR flies something old and decrepit but not sure who else, other than the odd cargo lines...
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9432 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10655 times:
Early on they were a first class lounge. Later they were converted to a seating area when airlines learned that 'bums' in seats is where the money is. Only a few 747's were built with the 3 upper deck windows and most all were converted. Three upper deck windows dosn't make it a -100, it was just an early option.
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Duke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1187 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10642 times:
Actually, the first 145 or so 747s, both -100s and -200s, were built with the three windows on each side, and after that, both -100s and -200s were fitted with the full set of windows on the upper deck. Some but not all of the originals were later converted to full window configuration. On the other hand, some airlines who already had the three windows had the extra windows plugged when they got other examples delivered with them. Today, among the few flying examples of the original configuration are the General Electric 747, one of the NASA shuttle launchers, and maybe 1 or 2 aircraft with Air Atlanta.
BostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10496 times:
I sat on the upper deck on VS's "Spirit of Sir Freddie" a few times. What always made me laugh was that since there was only one door on that level, and the old spiral staircase, the FAs would tell each passenger individually that their "alternative emergency exit" was through the cockpit window!
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10447 times:
I flew on an AF 741 from MIA to CDG about 10 years ago......we sat in the upper deck (J class); there were 12 seats up there (3 rows of 4 abreast) and each seat had one window. It was very intimate - on the early 741s, the upper deck has a shorter length than on later 742s - and very very comfortable. I remember that the J class seat did not have a built in foot rest, an ottoman like thing was provided to rest your legs - low tech and marvelous. Only 4 of us were seated upstairs (me and my partner, and two biz men travelling alone).......the service was nothing short of spectacular and it was so peaceful. The IFE was primitive, a projector showing a movie on a pull down screen that you could hardly see....but who cared, it was a great experience.
The Lounge Era was great, I flew on TW, UA, and NA 741s with upstairs lounges, it was very nice and quite luxurious.....and it was great to be able to go hang out somewhere else for an hour or so on a longer flight.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8650 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10350 times:
Quoting Duke (Reply 2): Actually, the first 145 or so 747s, both -100s and -200s, were built with the three windows on each side, and after that, both -100s and -200s were fitted with the full set of windows on the upper deck.
I think it may have been more than that. The early BOAC/BA 747 136s had three windows on the upper deck:
suggesting that a minimum of 187 aircraft were manufactured in this configuration. It is not clear whether any or all the remaining six BOAC/BA 747 136s were delivered with three or with more upper deck cabin windows. Doers anyone kmow or does anyone know whejn and where the fleet was converted?
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4536 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10327 times:
The Iran Air one is EP-IAM and its actually a 747-100B which is more like a -200, so IIRC at that point the full window lineup was already being offered. Anyway, IR uses the area up there for seating (economy, 3-3)
113312 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10187 times:
There was only one emergency exit, on the right hand side, on the upper deck. However, there are not any cockpit windows that open let alone as an emergency exit. Instead, there is a hatch in the ceiling of the cockpit that is opened and inertial reels are used to lower the cockpit evacuees to the ground.
C133 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8624 times:
It was only a lounge for AAL the entire time they had the fleet. Can't remember for sure, but I don't think they even had seatbelts installed up there. For awhile, the rear of coach was a piano bar, but the FAA took a dim view of bunches of people standing for lengthy periods and anyway, seats generate revenue. The airline gots lots of publicity out of it while it lasted, though.
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Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 9248 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8564 times:
Did boeing upgrade some old 747-100's into 400's or 300's?
There were only two of such aircraft and they were a special order from JAL in the early 80s for Japanese domestic service. They were 747-146SRs with a stretched upper deck, so they became the 747-146SR/SUD.
They were not -400s as -400s were not produced until several years later and cannot be "converted" due to major structural differences.
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FireFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8489 times:
About 1980, when I was a little kid, we flew Braniff a couple of times from SEA to HNL... At that time, we were all seated downstairs (in first class) but also had the option of running (again little guys) up the circular staircase to the upper deck. There, we could pick our seats, and ding the call bell to request more 7-Up. Best of all, we were able to visit the flight deck. We spent lots of time sitting in the 4th seat in the cockpit, talking to the flyers about whatever we could think of. It was Great!!
Now, I have 2 little boys. We have flown together a total of 8 segments, and of course, except on the ground, they can't catch a glimpse of the cockpit...makes me sad that they can't regail the flight crew with their little boy's stories like we used to do, on our very favorite airline, Braniff!!
Now, thanks youknowwho for locking little kids out of the flightdeck!
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