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Class B Clearance. IFR Vs VFR  
User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Lets look at two different scenarios. Where you are flying into an airport inside class B airspace.

In the first scenario you are flying VFR using flight following. Your current controller hands you over to the class B approach controller. In this case I know that the class B controller will give you a specific clearance into or through the class B airspace as appropriate. Without this clearance you can not enter.

In the second scenario you are on an IFR flight plan. Prior to departure from your home airport you received your IFR clearance all the way to your destination airport inside class B airspace.
After a while in the air you're handed over to the class B approach. My question is, will that controller have to give you as an IFR aircraft a specific clearance into class B? My guess is no since you already received your full route clearance before departure.

any thoughts would be apreachiated

tg 747-300


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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

Quoting Tg 747-300 (Thread starter):
My question is, will that controller have to give you as an IFR aircraft a specific clearance into class B? My guess is no since you already received your full route clearance before departure.

Bingo. You just answered your own question. The main reason why VFR flights have to receive a specific clearance with a specific routing (workload permitting) into class B is so that they don't wander aimlessly into the high traffic arrival flows if the controller is unable to accept them. An IFR flight that has already been accepted into the NAS will have priority handling over any VFR flight (on a case-by-case basis,) on top of having his flight plan automatically closed upon arrival at an airport with an IFR control tower.



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Quoting Tg 747-300 (Thread starter):
My question is, will that controller have to give you as an IFR aircraft a specific clearance into class B? My guess is no since you already received your full route clearance before departure.

Golden Shield is correct. That's why it is usually just easier to file if you are going to an airport near or on the outskirts of class B airspace...

It's just easier to file all the time in my opinion.



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User currently offlineDalb777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2192 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

I am currently doing my instrument training out of New Orleans Lakefront Airport (NEW). When I fly westbound from NEW into MSY's airspace on an IFR flightplan, the controllers do not say "cleared through the Bravo airspace." However, when I am only flying VFR, they do say "cleared through the Bravo airspace."

Just my personal experience...



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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

Helt riktig =)

Going to Charlotte??

Raggi



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

I wasn't handed over to approach yet for my Class B airspace, I was still with Minneapolis Center and after she said Sioux 77 cleared to enter Bravo Airpace, contact Minneapolis Approach on blah blah blah.


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User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 2):
It's just easier to file all the time in my opinion

Couldn't agree more. And IFR is more fun in my opinion also.

Quoting Raggi (Reply 4):
Going to Charlotte??

You got it. One day it would be fun to try to land at the primary airport in class B airspace. Just to have it in the book. Even though its probably nothing different from Raleigh.  Silly

Did you ever go there?

tg 747-300



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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

Yes, I did. I went IFR, makes it less of a hassle. I went on a saturday morning, so traffic wasn't too bad, although we were told to maintain best speed or more ( LOL ) till the middle mkr, we had a 757 behind us...

It really is not bad, just pay attention to the radio and don't tick off the controllers, should be fun!
CLT is a lot more busy than RDU, at least from my experience with RDU.

Make sure Sandy`s txpndr is working properly though...  Wink


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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6204 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6526 times:

Technically, if they put you on a radar vector and/or altitude assignment that will take you into Class B while VFR, you're cleared into the Class B. Still, I insist on hearing those magic words "Cleared into Class Bravo Airspace" and get it on the ATC tapes, and I specifically request clearance if I don't hear it even while being radar vectored.


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User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 8):
Technically, if they put you on a radar vector and/or altitude assignment that will take you into Class B while VFR,

Very interesting--I've never heard that... do you a FAR reference for that?



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 8):
Technically, if they put you on a radar vector and/or altitude assignment that will take you into Class B while VFR, you're cleared into the Class B.

I don't know about that either...



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