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Ethiopian's World Airways MD11  
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5438 times:

Thought I'd bring ya'll's attention to Ethiopian's MD-11 which is leased from World Airways. Tacky, but I guess it does the job of identifying whose flight it is operating. Will do the ADD-FCO-IAD-FCO-ADD 3x per week, while the fourth one will be operated using ET's B763.


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User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Thanks ETStar.

At least you can tell the MD-11 is flying for ET. The 330 has the 60th sticker on the right side of the plane and that's it.....Unless you recognise the sticker you can't tell it's flying for ET...


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

Dkny, have you noticed what appears to be a snowball effect with delays on flights operated with the 330? DXB has been wacky all week, having an effect on LOS (even when not operated by the 330) and all other flights that appear to connect with DXB (some DKR, HRE, BJM, DAR). Given the short stay on the ground for the 330 at DXB, if there is a delay, it throws off every other flight out of ADD, then back into ADD with the cycle continuing the next day.

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

How long will ET have the 330 and MD11?

User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

The 330 for six months......Until Mid december........
The MD-11 for two months until end of August


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

A friend of mine just came off the flight from IAD this morning on the MD-11....I was told the service was terrible and the flight was delayed 3 hours in IAD and an hour in FCO. All in all my friend did not like the exprerience on the MD-11 with only 2 regular ET flight attendants and the rest being non ET flight attendants. I was told it was a terrible flight.

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1362 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5076 times:

Quoting Dkny (Reply 5):
A friend of mine just came off the flight from IAD this morning on the MD-11....I was told the service was terrible and the flight was delayed 3 hours in IAD and an hour in FCO. All in all my friend did not like the exprerience on the MD-11 with only 2 regular ET flight attendants and the rest being non ET flight attendants. I was told it was a terrible flight

It was the first flight, the ET agents had never handled that type of aircraft before, and had to learn it all on the spot.

The ET flight attendants are not certified on the MD11, and thus cannot work the flight. They direct the service on board.


User currently offlineFXRA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 705 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 6):
It was the first flight, the ET agents had never handled that type of aircraft before, and had to learn it all on the spot

Thats not a good excuse.. proper preparation prevents piss poor performance. If you were there it would have went on time right?

How's ORD, make it to the Taste?



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1362 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting FXRA (Reply 7):
Thats not a good excuse.. proper preparation prevents piss poor performance. If you were there it would have went on time right?

How's ORD, make it to the Taste?

My thoughts exactly! We'da been 20 minutes early. I'll put that 80% to shame!

Haven't made it down yet, went to the White Sox game last night, getting ready to head over to ORD in an hour or so to get the counter ready. Then I have an 0800 outta here tomorrow morning.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Quoting Dkny (Reply 5):
the service was terrible

Not very informative. It's like me saying that your post is terrible (which it isn't) without anything more. It's meaningless.

As to late flights, boo-hoo. Look at the earlier posts in the thread about delays through DXB -- they look substantially worse than what he's complaining about. If it's indeed the first flight, I think that you'll find that World will get the kinks out pronto; they're capable of providing an equivalent or superior level of operational reliability to just about anybody. Did your friend say what the source of the delays were? Or just that it was "delayed" and that it was the "MD11's" fault.

[Edited 2006-07-04 18:36:28]

[Edited 2006-07-04 18:37:12]

User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

The ET flight attendants are not certified on the MD11, and thus cannot work the flight. They direct the service on board.

They never will be either. The World Airways contract with their F/A's precludes that from happening.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting Dkny (Reply 4):
The MD-11 for two months until end of August

Which aircraft will servet IAD after the MD11, the 763?

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

This aircraft N801DE, ex Delta, bought by UPS, leased and operated by World, and now on ACMI to ET. Simple airline industry business, soon to be a frieght hauler.
Jet


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

Just wanted to follow up on my observations earlier about on-time performance. Now, none of us know why a particular flight on Ethiopian is late: could be weather, could be delays at ticketing/baggage, could be delays on assigning seats, could be equipment problems, whatever. That said, since June 14, not a single IAD-LIRF (the fuel stop) flight has gone out on time, indeed, not one has launched within a half-hour of schedule. That's 11 flights on Ethiopian's own metal, and one on the MD11. Most were 1-2 hours late, which is basically-consistent with the performance of World's MD11 on its first run for them. Like I said, I'm sure they'll get the bugs out, if there are any, on the flying side, and I'm sure that the Ethiopian agents will adjust to the new type pretty quickly. Ethiopian Airlines has a good reputation, so I am confident that they will work with their wet-lease partner and get the thing running smoothly.

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Excuse my non-knowaldage but who is ET leasing the A330 from?


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 14):
who is ET leasing the A330 from

STAR Air, the French charter company. There's a press release on www.flyethiopian.com

http://www.flyethiopian.com/news/report.aspx?nid=132

[Edited 2006-07-05 02:02:56]

User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4572 times:

My experience with the MD-11, you have to know and understand the aircraft very well to avoid the nonsense delays, if the crew gets an advisory, they have to deal with it, open the book and see what the consequences are, sometimes they are a non event most times get ready!! MD=maintenance delay. When they run though they can haul alot of cargo.
Jet


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Quoting Jetfixr757 (Reply 16):
MD=maintenance delay.

lol. I know that World often puts a mech on board when flying to unusual places. I don't know if Ethiopia qualifies, and Ethiopian has a significant MRO operation of its own, and they also have a lot of experience with Pratt engines, which World's MD11s use. Indeed, their 767s use Pratt 4062s. However, as they're not an MD11 operator or overhauler, I'm assuming that World has to make its own arrangements, and that would accordingly involve its own people, either at LIRF or in Ethiopia. But what do I know...


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 13):
That said, since June 14, not a single IAD-LIRF (the fuel stop) flight has gone out on time, indeed, not one has launched within a half-hour of schedule. That's 11 flights on Ethiopian's own metal, and one on the MD11. Most were 1-2 hours late, which is basically-consistent with the performance of World's MD11 on its first run for them

Personal experience on this flight, specifically the tardiness of the flight out of IAD, while it appears to be on-going, may or may not have an effect on the flights arrival at FCO, and ultimately at ADD. I have been on two flights that even went via EWR and departed > 1 hour late from IAD, and still made it on time at the final destination - weather, winds etc being contributing factors. Do you have stats on the arrivals of the 11 flights at ADD?


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 18):
Do you have stats on the arrivals of the 11 flights at ADD?

Sadly, no, if only because I'm not sure how to get them. The US departures and the LIRF arrivals are pretty transparent, but I don't know a system that would give me the ADD arrivals info.

IAD arrivals are another matter. The flight is supposed to arrive at 8:10 am and it looks like today's will be in between 9:15 and 9:30. In the past two weeks, it looks like it has been in as early as 7:22 (obviously favorable headwinds) and as late as 9:08 on ETH metal. So...WOA is still not bangin' on-time, but an hour ain't terrible on a 16-hour trip. OTOH, it's not spectacular, either. We'll have to see how it goes...

[Edited 2006-07-05 10:35:12]

User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 2):
Dkny, have you noticed what appears to be a snowball effect with delays on flights operated with the 330? DXB has been wacky all week, having an effect on LOS (even when not operated by the 330) and all other flights that appear to connect with DXB (some DKR, HRE, BJM, DAR). Given the short stay on the ground for the 330 at DXB, if there is a delay, it throws off every other flight out of ADD, then back into ADD with the cycle continuing the next day.

It looks like ET has a delay out of ADD everymorning these days. If the Lagos or any west African flight is delayed arriving into ADD most Asian and the DXB flight will be delayed further delaying most African departures the next morning. Since most of these flights have a short stay at all points, it is very hard to get the flights back on track.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Quoting Dkny (Reply 20):
It looks like ET has a delay out of ADD everymorning these days. If the Lagos or any west African flight is delayed arriving into ADD most Asian and the DXB flight will be delayed further delaying most African departures the next morning. Since most of these flights have a short stay at all points, it is very hard to get the flights back on track.

Yup, that's the one I'm talking about. With DXB having such a short ground time with the 330, and the connections at ADD being timed just right, a delay of a few hours on the major routes (LOS, DXB) pretty much leaves everything up in the air (no pun intended).

Can anyone confirm the number of seats available on that 330? I can almost swear I read about 365 seats. Sardine anyone?


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 21):
Can anyone confirm the number of seats available on that 330? I can almost swear I read about 365 seats. Sardine anyone?

Press release I cited to in Reply 15 above says 364: 21/343. The STAR Air web site says the same thing. http://www.star-airlines.fr/en/fleet/A330.htm


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting Dkny (Reply 20):
It looks like ET has a delay out of ADD everymorning these days. If the Lagos or any west African flight is delayed arriving into ADD most Asian and the DXB flight will be delayed further delaying most African departures the next morning. Since most of these flights have a short stay at all points, it is very hard to get the flights back on track.


Thought I'd revive this one, and notice that things appear to have gone back to normal on the DXB run. The second flight operated within a half hour using 73Ws seems to alleviate the problems, and the 330 is no longer on that run according to Amadeus. I see it on runs to Luanda and Lagos, and even Delhi/Peking three times per week!

Also something else that's interesting, Saudia is bringing in a B741 this week to Addis - is it pilgrimage season already?


User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Hey ETStar , what ever happend to them getting those 2 747s? Have't heard antthing since it was announced.

LPLAspotter



Nuke the Gay Wales for Christ
25 ETStar : Cancelled, citing delivery time. That is why the A330 and MD11 are currently ploughing the routes.
26 Dkny : How is WOA doing with the flight so far anyone know.....How are the arrivals and departure times out of IAD these days. I think they should have just
27 LPLAspotter : Wow I had no idea. Thanks for the news even though its dissapointing. LPLAspotter
28 Post contains links and images Dkny : On Wed 19/07/06 World changed the aircraft on ET 501 out of IAD. This aircraft arrived in ADD on 20/07/06 and will operate ET 500 to IAD on 21/07/06.
29 Wjcandee : Educated guess: to do some maint on the one that they took out of service. I'm guessing that it will be back in rotation as soon as it's ready.
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