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Austrian (OS) 777 At LHR - Why?  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

I noticed when browsing the db that there is a OS 777-200ER landing at LHR on June 6th... why is this?

Was it operating in place of the A32S's, or was it a chater flight or diversion?

Has OS evert flown the A340 into LHR in the past?

Sure is nice to see European widebodies in LHR on a regular basis, so far we get KL 763/332, OA 343, TK 332/313 (sometimes 343) and CY 332


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User currently offlineCO738 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

Could have been a diversion for medical reasons, a charter, or maybe they got lost... Smile


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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

According to lhr-lgw.co.uk, the 777 operated as follows on the 6th June :

OS0453 From Vienna, Austria OE-LPA 777 06/06/2006 12:31
OS0462 To Vienna, Austria OE-LPA 777 06/06/2006 16:50


User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Maybe it has something to do with lots of fans from England going to the World Cup in Germany. Austria is very close and has good onward air, rail and road connections to Germany. Thus the increase in demand so the 777 operated.

Regards,
Chris


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2651 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

OS 777 will also fly to CDG on August29th


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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Sure is nice to see European widebodies in LHR on a regular basis, so far we get KL 763/332, OA 343, TK 332/313 (sometimes 343) and CY 332

If you consider LY "european" then it has widebodies to LHR ... 762,763,777,742 (cargo and pax in the past),744.
Most airlines consider TLV to be a european/regional destination so I guess LY should be considered european


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6656 times:

The OS 777 is scheduled into KBP for pilot training.
Presumably they are going into LHR, CDG for the same reason, Lauda pilots training Austrian blood on their 777s.
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6587 times:

The 777 is scheduled to LHR again on 8th August VIE - LHR (OS 257) and 9th August LHR-VIE (OS 258)

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6234 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 11):
And they are really using LHR for 777 training? Won't they loose money on that by not selling enough seats? I mean, a simulator would make much more sense.

Many airlines do this when they receive a new type..granted the 777 in the OS fleet is not brand spanking new but for arguments sake, its newer than the 340's
For instance when BA received 777's they were placed on the tiny LHRCDG routing and I think a few other euro routes. Its all really to do with getting to know the aircraft... I know some asian airlines have done this too..
Didnt some new operators of the A345 do this ?
That having been said yes a simulator is just as effective... but although Im no pilot Id like to hazard a guess that its one thing being in a simulator but another actually landing the bird at LHR...


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6184 times:

Quoting Christa (Reply 3):
Maybe it has something to do with lots of fans from England going to the World Cup in Germany. Austria is very close and has good onward air, rail and road connections to Germany. Thus the increase in demand so the 777 operated.

You either wrote this message a week ago or you’re being a bit sarcastic…  Smile


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Could we PLEASE stay with the topic and stop those pointless arguments about countries and continents? Go to the Non-Av Forum in order to discuss that!

My assumption would be that OS wants to fly the 777 also on shorter routes in order to keep them busy. There are three 777s for two routes (VIE-KUL-SYD and VIE-SIN-MEL) so there is some space in the schedule. OS 777s also fly regularly to FNC, as we all know. A few years ago there was a weekly charter flight VIE-CUN operated by a 777.

Another reason could be crew issues, not only for training purposes but also in order to meet specific requirements (e.g. performing at least one Autoland approach in 28 days).

SQ has two routes for the A345, SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR, but there is also one flight SIN-CGK (a very short hop for an A345)

Sebastian


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5935 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 22):
SIN-CGK (a very short hop for an A345)

When I worked at SQ this was operated by a 310.. as far as I recall..Actually no.. the DPS route was a 310 and the CGK route was 343.. (cant remember if the celestars were 300's or 200's)

(oh just a really quick sidetrack...anyone know the SQ names for the 345 and 380 ?? )

Love ya

Joe


User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

The Austrian B777s are operating to LHR for the summer season only

dave


User currently onlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 684 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

OK .... this is the end thread.....

The OS 777's are for training purpose's.
They are also being used to Kiev every Tuesday.
Also selected European cities are getting T7 service as per above reason.

that's it

10 points to all who knew the answer
and a big fat zero to all whose answers just wandered.

rgds

Tugmaster


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5132 times:

Tugmaster,

thanks for that information.

Just for being picky, can you give a source to this?

Sebastian


User currently offlineGB From Micronesia, joined Feb 2000, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

@FrancoBlanco: Usually I am a "quiet listener/reader" in this forum. YOUR comment doesn't allow me not say anything though.
1. Being an aviation enthusiast of the 21st century (as I assume you are), do you actually believe that an airline operates a certain aircraft on a certain route just "in order to keep them busy"? Those days are over - especially for a carrier such a OS - which presented one the worst financial results for 2005 in the E.U. I can assure you from the fleet and network planning side that you are wrong!
2. At the moment there are only 2 777s in service as OE-LPB is in HAM (since June 4) for maintenance reason as well as for the C-Class cabin upgrade. Due to this lack of aircraft OS was forced to change the MEL rotation to the 767 causing spill on certain days. This made the FNC (777) rotations possible, as agreed with the tour operators. The last FNC rotation with the 777 operated on June 19 (OE-LPA).
Finally I have to add that charter flights cannot be taken into account!
Regards,
GB


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Quoting GB (Reply 31):
YOUR comment doesn't allow me not say anything though.

Pardon, Sir? Has my post really been THAT bad? I am so sorry!

Quoting GB (Reply 31):
1. Being an aviation enthusiast of the 21st century (as I assume you are), do you actually believe that an airline operates a certain aircraft on a certain route just "in order to keep them busy"?

Come on, you know what I mean. IF you do not have a tight schedule you can always send an aircraft on smaller routes. It may not be profitable to send a 777 on VIE-LHR, but an airplane sitting idly on the ground looses money, too.

Quoting GB (Reply 31):
At the moment there are only 2 777s in service

OK, I did not know that. But that is the purpose of this forum, to get factual information. I was just suggesting things in order to keep the thread alive and trying to scare these hijackers away.

Quoting GB (Reply 31):
OS was forced to change the MEL rotation to the 767

AFAIK (please keep that in mind!), OS has always been downgrading some Oz flights during northern summer months. Touristic demand may not be that high at this time.

Sebastian


User currently onlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 684 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 28):
Tugmaster,

thanks for that information.

Just for being picky, can you give a source to this?

Sebastian

Here is the intel you require,
This is from someone who flies the DH8-400 (capt)for Austrian Arrows, but two of his close friends are flying on the T7. The sole reason for the relatively short sectors is PILOT TRAINING. There are a lot of new captains being transfered from the A330/340 fleet, since OS just sold two 340s and since there's a sector requirement for the training the do that. It would take a while if they'd only fly to SYD and/or MEL.

Kinds regards,

Tugmaster


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Tugmaster,

that makes perfect sense. Thanks very much for your help!

Sebastian


User currently offlineLHRman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 398 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Bit weird one this one.

To reply to the ACTUAL question I was under the assumption these were one off simply because it was the way the Aircraft has been rostered. To keep the aircraft active they have stuck on a short haul hop to LL to keep it active and therefore making money as it allows a high load factor. I may be wrong (more than likely) but this was my understanding.

I am not sure it would be training because it seems unusual for a training flight to come into LL and normally the callsign would surely be followed by a T?

Example: AUA257T

Anyway this is just my 2 cents..
Thanks..
Dave



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