Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
AA Drops MD80 Rear Stairs For Pilot At AUS.  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13267 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I got a call today and my uncle was racing to get to AUS to make a flight. His Porche crapped out and I taxied his butt to the airport. He got to AUS on time for AA 1924. The evening flights were cancelled due to weather. There were several diversions that landed at AUS that needed to get through to DFW. He told OPS that he needed to get to DFW tonight for a check ride with a former TW guy flying to BWI early tomorrow. They loaded him up in a crew transport and ran him out to the ramp. They dropped the rear stairs and he boarded aft while the a/c was holding on the ramp. Made his way up to 2A and eventually got to DFW tonight.

Here is a pic I Googled to show you the aft stairs lowered.

I've heard the story of the FAM being left at the gate and having to taxi back, but never taking a pilot out to the ramp and boarding this way!


http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/ringo3727/aaa.jpg

57 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13248 times:

Man Drew, thats something else!!! :-P

Thats like wicked.

Pilot "ya that son of bitch dropped his ass and i walked right on in!!!"

hehe great story!
Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13185 times:

The question: What's involved in lowering (and then raising) the ventral airstaris on a MD-80, 727, etc?

I mean I would assume that lowering them for Emergency Exit is pretty quick and fool resistant, but doesn't it also involve blowing off the tail cone?

How do you lower (and then raise) them in such a manner as to not jeopardize the flight? Is there a button that is pressed (flight deck? FA?)? handled pulled?

Lincoln



CO Is My Airline of Choice || Baggage Claim is an airline's last chance to disappoint a customer || Next flts in profile
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5178 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13121 times:

I believe there is some sort of device (handle, button, knob, lever, etc.) by the stairs, since stairs are routinely lowered while MD-80s are parked at the gate at ORD.

I remember years ago on a DL 727 that the F/E finished his walkaround and then came up the rear stairs, threw the lever to raise the stairs, locked the access door, then walked up to the flight deck.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13121 times:

Sick story.... Ive seen the stairs when I go to the restroom back in Y class on the MAD DOG. Wonder if they ever use them to board regular passangers?


You drive him in the M Power and let him bust in on ure date? Big grin



Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13074 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 4):
You drive him in the M Power and let him bust in on ure date?

Yeah, I called you earilier Matt and told you this...to top it all off, I was headed to the Alamo Drafthouse to see Superman with Andrea. Major bummer. Jim kept us entertained telling jokes on the way to the airport.

I thought it was pretty funny. Enjoy.  yes 


User currently offlineJascmil From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12949 times:

Is the process for lowering the rear stairs on an AA MD-80 any different than, say, the process for lowering the rear stairs on a DL Shuttle MD-88? It only takes them a few moments after parking at the gate to lower the stairs on my DCA-LGA-DCA Shuttle flights.

User currently offlineANNOYEDFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12936 times:

Who cares if the stairs were lowered? It's nothing new, is done quite often if you fly DL shuttle and any other airline in Europe.


"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12846 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 6):
And yes I have a cousin who works on the ramps guiding airplanes to the runways at AUS and I called him tonight and said nothing like that ever happen.

LMAO... Attention ALL!!!! JOE's Counsin knows everything about AA and AUS. So when posting about either please go through him!

Get over it!

His RR speaks for itself...



Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12842 times:

There is no way that pic is of someone getting on a plane out on the tarmac. Why in the world would they have the air-stairs down and portable stairs on the catering door? Besides it looks to me that this aircraft was involved in a accident of some sort, the fuselage looks to be low towards the nose (might be a nose gear collapse) and the air-stairs are to far off the ground for normal ops. Just my thoughts though

User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12842 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
The question: What's involved in lowering (and then raising) the ventral airstaris on a MD-80, 727, etc?

Not a lot of things... The 727 which I flew, and I assume the MD80 family take off pressurized. Despite the cabin differential pressure should not exceed a value that would make it possible to open the exits on an emergency, it is often slowly depressurized to avoid discomfort to the passengers.

Another thing to keep in mind when doing so is GOOD communication with your cabin crew. Let them know what you want to be done, when and how. Is also good to let your passengers know what's going on, you don't want a nervous passenger panicking and jumping out the aircraft as soon as a door opens.

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 2):
I mean I would assume that lowering them for Emergency Exit is pretty quick and fool resistant, but doesn't it also involve blowing off the tail cone?

How do you lower (and then raise) them in such a manner as to not jeopardize the flight? Is there a button that is pressed (flight deck? FA?)? handled pulled?

The MD80 can blow away its cone allowing the passengers to walk on top of the the stairs and exit the aircraft. That is done by opening the aft door, pulling a handle and letting the escape slide to deploy. The 727 just have a mechanism which lowers the stairs and locks them in the down position. On the "three-holer" it was actually procedure for us to lower the stairs as soon as the aircraft was chocked, to prevent the plane from sitting on its tail as cargo, bags and passengers were offloaded. So, it was nothing unusual to see.

Hope to be of any help.

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineN8076U From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 425 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12746 times:

I don't see why dropping the stairs so someone could get on "couldn't happen". Back when I worked the ramp at SFO, on two different occasions that I saw, OPS made an aircraft hold (737 first time, 757 second time) after pushback, and shut down the already-started right side engine so they could throw some overlooked late bags into the cargo pit. The second time, the aircraft actually had to taxi over to a holding area so it would be out of the way while this was done.

I have no MD-80 experience, but on the 727, you can open a panel on the outside of the aircraft, and pull down a handle. The airstairs will then drop. The guy runs up the stairs, opens the door, goes inside and closes the door. You then put the handle up, and close the panel. Done deal, no muss, no fuss.  Wink

Chris



Don't blame me, I don't work here...
User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12649 times:

The stairs on the MD-80's and B727's are hydraulically actuated. The stairs can free-fall without hydraulic power if necessary.

User currently offlineAK From United States of America, joined May 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12591 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 6):
And yes I have a cousin who works on the ramps guiding airplanes to the runways at AUS

Hmmm. Being a ramper myself I haven't ever guided an a/c out to any runways. I guess things are done a little different is AUS.  Yeah sure



" I am serious...and don't call me Shirley!
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12567 times:

Quoting AEroc (Reply 12):
There is no way that pic is of someone getting on a plane out on the tarmac.

true, true...

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Here is a pic I Googled to show you the aft stairs lowered.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineReins485 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12497 times:

My dad, a former pilot for AA, always likes to claim he flew Elvis from MEM-BNA and in his story, Elvis drove on to the ramp in his car and boarded using the rear stairs. True on not I don't know.

I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs from the inside of the airplane, but must be done by the ground crew. Of course they can use it as an emergency exit from the inside.

Quoting American777 (Reply 6):

Is that a picture of yours you took when they were boarding him, or did you steal the photo from this link: http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=143662

So say the truth, are you making up this story or are you saying the truth.

That photo is from the accident in ORD just last month, so chill out he was just showing a picture with the stairs down.

While I can't say this happened or not, I would say it would make more sense for them to lower the stairs than taxi back to a gate, dock it and taxi back to a runway. And all of that would have wasted fuel, which AA is trying to save. And AA would have done anything to get him to DFW because they needed him for company business, for example all crew needing training get guaranteed seats to where they have to report, but not back to their home or for commuting for a normal flight.
Alex


User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12436 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 3):
I remember years ago on a DL 727 that the F/E finished his walkaround and then came up the rear stairs, threw the lever to raise the stairs, locked the access door, then walked up to the flight deck.

The stairs can only be opened from outside and closed from outside thanks to d.b.cooper

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 4):
Wonder if they ever use them to board regular passangers?

At cities where we do not have jetways they board and deplane from the front door and aft stair.

Quoting Jascmil (Reply 8):
Is the process for lowering the rear stairs on an AA MD-80 any different than, say, the process for lowering the rear stairs on a DL Shuttle MD-88? It only takes them a few moments after parking at the gate to lower the stairs on my DCA-LGA-DCA Shuttle flights.

Just open the access panel and push the lever they will free fall down but you need hydraulic power to raise them.
 airplane 


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12410 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Nonfirm (Reply 20):
d.b.cooper

exactly...the cooper vane. the a/c at AUS was holding on the jetway, waiting for ATC clearance to get to DFW. it was alot easier to open the door and get him on one of the diversions im guessing.


User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12386 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 21):
exactly...the cooper vane. the a/c at AUS was holding on the jetway, waiting for ATC clearance to get to DFW. it was alot easier to open the door and get him on one of the diversions im guessing.

With the jetway pulled for pushback the fastest way in the MD is through the aft stairs and i do not see a problem that's what there for.
 airplane 


User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12273 times:

I boarded an AA MD80 through the aft stairs in SHV yesterday evening and even did a trip report on it. Sorry but didn't get a picture of it.
Nonrev On A Diverted Flight SHV-DFW (by DFW13L Jul 6 2006 in Trip Reports)


User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12126 times:

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 18):
I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs from the inside of the airplane, but must be done by the ground crew. Of course they can use it as an emergency exit from the inside.

Incorrect...even in an emergency the stairs are not lowered. The tailcone jettisons and the slide blows. The stairs can only be lowered from the outside.


User currently offlineKevin82277 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 20):
Quoting Reins485 (Reply 18):
I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs from the inside of the airplane, but must be done by the ground crew. Of course they can use it as an emergency exit from the inside.

Incorrect...even in an emergency the stairs are not lowered. The tailcone jettisons and the slide blows. The stairs can only be lowered from the outside

That is what he is saying, they can't lower it normally from the inside, but can open it for emergency's only.


User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1119 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

On the 727 you can drop the airstairs from inside the aircraft,it is disabled in flight by the "cooper vane".

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 971 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11753 times:

This is a pic of the AA MD-80 that had the nosegear malfunction at ORD the other day. Pax were deplaned via the rear galley door and the rear stairs.


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9503 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11680 times:

I think that is very interesting. I wonder who thought to put the guy on a plane that was waiting to get to DFW after diverting to AUS? I'm impressed that they actually went ahead and got him on the plane by dropping the stairs. Airlines have so many regulations and restrictions especially large ones like AA that something that sounds simple like this probably violated many different policies, but in the end I guess it didn't matter since they needed him in DFW. I wonder what the passengers would have thought when they found out that they would be picking up a stranded pilot after their diversion.


If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
25 Goldenshield : If it's a domestic diversion, it should be a non-issue. Now, for a flight diverted from an international destination, that's a whole other ball game.
26 MD88Captain : Just for the record, the airstairs are normally lowered from the outside. There is no control for doing it inside the aircraft. However, at DAL the pi
27 ANNOYEDFA : That pic is not from an insident from last month at ORD. That is a pic of a insident that happened about 3 years ago. Look at the registration number.
28 EXMEMWIDGET : Years ago on DL from CVG to DCA, the guy sitting next to me somehow got on the wrong plane. He was supposed to be going to LGA, EWR, or something. Any
29 Antoniemey : Dunno about the MD-80, but on the 88 you can at least close them from inside... if does involve going into the tailcone and hoping you don't grab the
30 727forever : I'm not sure about the MD-80, but the 727s that I am flying still have the aft airstair door handle installed inside. It sits at the top of the stair
31 Boeing727flyer : It looks to me like the nose gear might have dropped as those stairs do not reach the tarmac.
32 FlyDeltaJets : That picture is not ORD that has to be LGA as those are Port Authority Police cars and AA doesnt send MD88's to JFK it could also be EWR but it's def
33 Seanp11 : Hell, AA doesn't even fly -88s! :P
34 N8076U : Yes, nosegear was not down in the photo. All of the UA 727s had fully functioning inside handles for the airstairs as well. There was no need to remo
35 FlyDeltaJets : My bad i am from DL thats what Im used to saying. I meant Super 80.
36 Post contains links Aa757first : Normal operation of the 727's airstairs: http://filexoom.com/files/view/3162/pex-727airstairs.JPG Normal operation of the DC-9's airstairs: http://fi
37 TWAL1011727 : The Ventral stairs on the DC9/MD80s series originally had the capability to be lowered from the inside (this told to me by a DL mechanic.) The handle
38 CWAFlyer : A quick thinking dispatcher or crew scheduler!!!
39 Tsaord : True. I see those things let down all the time. Never thought I would hear of a plane holding on the ramp and someone coming up the rear. Wonder who
40 Post contains links and images Atrude777 : I realized you meant S80, but they do in fact sent them to JFK at the time of the incident. This incident is AA Flight 1048, which landed at JFK with
41 GQfluffy : Well...I could be missing something...but didn't your uncle just breach security? Or did they pick him up at the gate?
42 Lincoln : No worries... Thanks for sharing! Lincoln
43 IAHFLYR : And why would they have the slats extended on the ramp to board a passenger no matter who it was? But hey who cares, BOGUS but nice try
44 FXramper : How is this a breach of security when OPS made the decision to get him on the diverted plane back to DFW? He didn't just walk out to the a/c, they to
45 Lowrider : How exactly did he inconvenience any passengers. If the aircraft was just waiting out a diversion. I assume they did not have to off load any pax. Th
46 N8076U : If he's a pilot for AA, then he has the appropriate badge to be on the ramp, so how is it a security issue? At SFO, UA has a van for taking the pilots
47 GQfluffy : Um, yeah, but if he was jumpseating, it doesn't matter, he still has to go through security. You can't just bypass security if you're jumpseating...
48 Post contains images SCXmechanic : Ha! This reminds me of back when I was a Flight Mechanic. I was at LAS talking to one of our ops agents at my former carrier when I heard someone ask
49 FXramper : A. I never said he jumpseated. He was in 2A. B. He's a AA pilot, thus a badged airline employee. C. He's a FFDO, carrying a DOJ ID. D. I said crew tr
50 Post contains images FXramper : There wasn't anymore outbound flights to DFW. Just the diversions waiting to get back underway. AA ops said they needed him in DFW the next morning f
51 GQfluffy : Ah, so, he flew positive space on a revenue flight, if he didn't pass thru secuirty, that AA ops agent breached security. I have a SIDA badge at BIL,
52 N8076U : I would think that he had to pass through some sort of security checkpoint somewhere along the way to get to the "AA OPS area" in the first place, whi
53 Mandala499 : I was talking to my parents the other day, my mom is a flight attendant for AA, and she was saying on the MD-80 there is no way to lower the stairs fr
54 Dl_mech : On the MD-90, the tailcone IS blown off......There is a small Nitrogen bottle mounted inside, with an exhaust port on the side of the tailcone. Belie
55 Post contains images Lincoln : Why not tell us about what happened to your "friend"? Lincoln
56 BostonGuy : In the late 70's I was on a DL 727 from ATL to MCO. While waiting in line on the taxiway at ATL a flight attendant frantically got on the PA announcin
57 Post contains images IAHFLYR : Yeah I agree with my friend, come on, spill the beans! Or do we see feathers flyin.....baaaaaabakk
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
AA & JB - Misdemeanor Charges For Noise At LGB posted Sat Dec 21 2002 17:04:04 by FATFlyer
AA At AUS posted Sat May 13 2006 19:33:51 by Longhornmaniac
Pilot Arrested For Rape At ATL Concourse C? posted Wed Aug 3 2005 05:23:52 by 767Lover
AA Chief Pilot At LAX posted Wed Aug 25 2004 03:06:03 by Smithfly114
Which 3 Ex AA 727 Used For Pilot-gun Training? posted Mon Dec 1 2003 18:31:30 by 727LOVER
AA Gates At AUS posted Mon Jun 24 2002 01:14:10 by Scott4AA
AA Eagle ATR-72 At AUS Today posted Wed Sep 26 2001 00:51:07 by Airbus380
AA Starts 737-800 Service At AUS posted Tue Jul 31 2001 07:23:51 by Aus_Spotter
Upsetting Incident For Me At Prague And IST posted Sat Nov 4 2006 14:35:41 by Pilotaydin
WSJ: FR Bid For EI At €2.80 Still On Table posted Fri Oct 20 2006 17:00:05 by N328KF