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Air Canada Jazz Back On The Island  
User currently offlineCRJpurser From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 76 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6927 times:

I don't have the link, but Air Canada Jazz is returning to YTZ next month with flights to YOW and YUL on the DHC-8/100. Great news for passengers and employees!

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User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

YOW-YTZ will have a whopping 20 flights a day between Jazz and Porter. The war on the Island has begun.

TORONTO, July 6 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada Jazz will resume operations
from Toronto City Centre Airport on August 28, 2006, introducing an enhanced
schedule with more destinations made possible by plans for improved access to
the island airport.
Air Canada Jazz will provide daily service between Toronto City Centre
Airport and Ottawa, and will also re-instate service to Montreal. On weekdays,
Jazz will offer ten round trips to Ottawa and seven round trips to Montreal.
Weekend service will also be reintroduced to both Ottawa and Montreal.
"Having served Toronto City Centre Airport for over 16 years, it is good
to be back and we look forward to welcoming Air Canada's customers on board.
As a result of the increased demand for Jazz's services, we'll also grow the
number of employees at this base," said Joseph Randell, President and CEO of
Air Canada Jazz.
"The new ferry service and facilities being constructed by the Toronto
Port Authority starting this summer are making it possible for Air Canada to
enhance operations from City Centre. This will further improve what is already
the best schedule for customers flying in the eastern triangle of Toronto,
Montreal and Ottawa," said Ben Smith, Vice President Network Planning, Air
Canada. "With the City Centre Airport, Toronto Lester B. Pearson International
Airport and our Jazz service out of John C. Munro Hamilton International
Airport, customers traveling to and from the Greater Toronto Area and the
Niagara Peninsula will have unrivalled choice and convenience. They also have
the option to use our unique multi-trip flight pass products, collect Aeroplan
Miles and enjoy all the other benefits of flying with Air Canada Jazz and Air
Canada."
Air Canada Jazz will operate from Stolport Corporation's facility at the
Toronto City Centre Airport. Shuttle service will be available to transport
passengers between the airport and Union Station.
Mr. Randell and Mr. Smith will hold a joint news conference at 10 a.m.
today in the Alberta Room at the Fairmont Royal York in Toronto to discuss
this announcement and related matters.
"We are pleased to re-establish the link to Toronto City Centre Airport
with Montréal-Trudeau after a four-year absence, this has always been a
popular destination," said James Cherry, President and CEO, Aéroports de
Montréal.
"The Ottawa market is a vibrant one, as evidenced by Air Canada Jazz's
decision to resume flights to Toronto's City Centre Airport. Once again, the
community will benefit from more options when they make their travel choices,
the Ottawa Airport welcomes the return to service to the Island," said Paul
Benoit, President and CEO of the Ottawa International Airport Authority.
Air Canada Jazz, and its predecessor Air Ontario, has been serving
Toronto City Centre Airport since 1990. Combined with Jazz operations in
Hamilton and Air Canada flights from Pearson Airport, customers have a choice
of up to 132 flights daily to and from the Greater Toronto Area between Ottawa
and Montreal.
Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz operate more non-stop flights within
Canada and to the United States than any other airline. Within Canada, the
carriers operate approximately 960 non-stop flights per day on 131 routes to
and from 67 airports. Between Canada and the United States, the carriers
operate more than 390 non-stop flights per day on 89 routes to and from 51
U.S. and 7 Canadian destinations.

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TORONTO CITY CENTRE SCHEDULE
COMMENCES AUGUST 28, 2006


TORONTO CITY CENTRE - OTTAWA
----------------------------

Day of Week Departure Time Arrival Time Flight Number

Monday-Friday 06:45 07:49 AC7886
Monday-Friday 07:45 08:49 AC7852
Monday-Sunday 09:05 10:09 AC7854
Monday-Friday 10:45 11:49 AC7856
Monday-Friday 12:15 13:19 AC7858
Monday-Friday 15:30 16:34 AC7860
Sunday 15:30 16:34 AC7860
Monday-Sunday 16:30 17:34 AC7862
Monday-Friday 17:45 18:49 AC7864
Sunday 17:45 18:49 AC7864
Monday-Friday 19:05 20:09 AC7866
Monday-Friday 20:45 21:49 AC7868
Sunday 20:45 21:49 AC7868


OTTAWA-TORONTO CITY CENTRE
--------------------------

Day of Week Departure Time Arrival Time Flight Number

Monday-Friday 06:15 07:24 AC7851
Monday-Friday 07:30 08:30 AC7853
Monday-Sunday 09:15 10:24 AC7855
Monday-Friday 10:45 11:54 AC7857
Monday-Friday 12:30 13:39 AC7859
Monday-Friday 14:30 15:39 AC7861
Sunday 14:30 15:39 AC7861
Monday-Sunday 15:45 16:54 AC7863
Monday-Friday 17:35 18:44 AC7865
Sunday 17:35 18:44 AC7865
Monday-Friday 19:15 20:24 AC7867
Monday-Saturday 20:35 21:44 AC7869
Sunday 20:35 21:44 AC7869


TORONTO CITY CENTRE-MONTREAL
----------------------------

Day of Week Departure Time Arrival Time Flight Number

Monday-Friday 07:00 08:27 AC7870
Monday-Sunday 08:45 10:12 AC7872
Monday- Friday 10:00 11:27 AC7874
Monday-Friday 12:50 14:17 AC7876
Monday-Sunday 16:00 17:27 AC7878
Monday- Friday 17:15 18:42 AC7880
Sunday 17:15 18:42 AC7880
Monday-Friday 19:40 21:07 AC7836
Sunday 19:40 21:07 AC7836


MONTREAL-TORONTO CITY CENTRE
----------------------------

Day of Week Departure Time Arrival Time Flight Number

Monday-Friday 06:45 08:24 AC7871
Monday-Sunday 08:00 09:39 AC7873
Monday-Friday 10:45 12:24 AC7875
Monday-Friday 14:30 16:09 AC7877
Monday-Sunday 15:45 17:24 AC7879
Monday-Friday 17:40 19:19 AC7881
Sunday 17:40 19:19 AC7881
Monday- Friday 19:15 20:54 AC7885
Sunday 19:15 20:54 AC7885


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

This should make for a lot of fun  Smile

It will be interesting to see what Porter comes up with as their initial schedule out of YTZ.



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

one question- why? is this meant to be like LGA? I just don't get this move.


Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 3):
one question- why? is this meant to be like LGA? I just don't get this move.

Pre-emptive strike by AC before Porter launches would be my guess.



Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6877 times:

nice!
they originally had to stop service because AC got kicked out of the pax building, correct? Did Porter air have anything to do with that?

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineCRJpurser From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 76 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 4):
Pre-emptive strike by AC before Porter launches would be my guess.

Yes and no. I would almost call it a retaliatory strike by AC. For it was Porter who basically kicked them out of YTZ in the first place.
What you don't want to do is anger a sleeping lion. box 


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 5):
they originally had to stop service because AC got kicked out of the pax building, correct? Did Porter air have anything to do with that?

Yup. REGCO owns the building, if I recall correctly. However, I believe it was more a case of AC's lease running out and REGCO choosing not to renew it, rather than being outright kicked out.

Regardless, at the time AC said they'd be back and here they are.  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 2):
It will be interesting to see what Porter comes up with as their initial schedule out of YTZ.

YOW-YTZ 10x/day is Porter's initial sked. Flight times and start date TBA. Porter would be wise to NOT have YUL as their next destination. They should stay away for the time being so that they're not fighting for every single pax with Jazz and add maybe Windsor, Newark or London as their second destination. Windsor or London would provide them with connecting feed to/from YOW.


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6781 times:

Quoting YOW" class=quote target=_blank>YOW (Reply 8):
YOW-YTZ 10x/day is Porter's initial sked.

Presumably Mon-Fri only to cater to the business/gov't crowd, I'd imagine?

Quoting YOW" class=quote target=_blank>YOW (Reply 8):
Porter would be wise to NOT have YUL as their next destination. They should stay away for the time being so that they're not fighting for every single pax with Jazz

Agreed. Build the brand first, then move on YUL.

The current issue of onBoard (publication from the Toronto Board of Trade) has a nice 8-page spread for Porter, including a map with all the cities that would fall within their planned 500-mile range of service.

Windsor or London would be a logical choice for a second city. Not sure how going transborder so early would pan out.



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User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 9):
Presumably Mon-Fri only to cater to the business/gov't crowd, I'd imagine?

Porter is planning to have a couple of YOW-YTZ flights on both Sat & Sun as per their website.


User currently offlineBA747YYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Great news for business passengers will save many people from having to travel all the way to YYZ, but using a Dash 8 how much longer will it take versus using an A320 type plane?

User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1843 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 11):
Great news for business passengers will save many people from having to travel all the way to YYZ, but using a Dash 8 how much longer will it take versus using an A320 type plane?

That is a good point. Business travelers would probably also prefer the interior and services on the mainline a/c. Also, I am not sure, but do you have to take a ferry to the island? I think it will be interesting how all this new service will do.


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4799 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 11):
but using a Dash 8 how much longer will it take versus using an A320 type plane?

With the Dash-8-100s of Jazz, the scheduled flight times are about 10-15 minutes longer than the A320s out of YYZ. The Q400s of Porter will be a bit faster, so they should be able to come close to the 1hr mark or a bit less.


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 11):
Great news for business passengers will save many people from having to travel all the way to YYZ, but using a Dash 8 how much longer will it take versus using an A320 type plane?

Not sure vs the A320/B737 type, but I've seen it bantered around here (and Porter's site says the same thing, iirc) that on the short-haul legs, trip times are comparable to CRJ/ERJ times.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 12):
That is a good point. Business travelers would probably also prefer the interior and services on the mainline a/c.

The interiors on these Q400s for Porter are all-leather and 70-odd seats, if I recall. Not sure on the seat width/pitch (I'll see if I can dig those up for you).

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 12):
Also, I am not sure, but do you have to take a ferry to the island? I think it will be interesting how all this new service will do.

Yes, a ferry trip is required to get to the island. However, it is a short trip (I'll time it for you tomorrow  Wink ) and is currently in the process of being upgraded (service sked & equipment/facilities) to provide YTZ with better, more timely service with two airlines now operating out of the airport.



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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

I'm somewhat surprised that Jazz was able to find a somewhere to operate from on the island. What really intrigues me,is how well each carrier will do with so much capacity and whether Porter assumed that they would have the island to themselves?

User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 11):
Great news for business passengers will save many people from having to travel all the way to YYZ, but using a Dash 8 how much longer will it take versus using an A320 type plane?

The time difference is negligible.

YOW-YYZ is usually blocked in for 1hr04 on jets versus 1hr09 for YOW-YTZ on the Dash 8.
YYZ-YOW is typically 1hr00 on jets against 1hr04 for YTZ-YOW on the Dash 8. Less than 5 minutes, even for a biz pax is hardly noticable. Besides, if you're headed downtown, you're still coming out 20-30 minutes ahead. YYZ is the ideal airport for the western suburbs of the GTA, and YHM for the far-west + Niagara & Kitchener-Waterloo.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 3):
one question- why? is this meant to be like LGA? I just don't get this move.

Not particularly. YTZ is a mere fraction of LGA's size and definately can't handle massive numbers of jet aircraft all the way up to the 767-400. It is more for O&D business travellers going to place that aren't far away

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 11):
but using a Dash 8 how much longer will it take versus using an A320 type plane?

It won't

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 13):
With the Dash-8-100s of Jazz, the scheduled flight times are about 10-15 minutes longer than the A320s out of YYZ. The Q400s of Porter will be a bit faster, so they should be able to come close to the 1hr mark or a bit less.

Actually, on these flight distances, the Q400s will likely be even faster than the A320s and 767s AC uses out of YYZ.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 12):
Business travelers would probably also prefer the interior and services on the mainline a/c.

It is a really short flight

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 12):
Also, I am not sure, but do you have to take a ferry to the island

The time is marginal and the ferrys run all the time

Quoting YOW (Reply 16):
YYZ is the ideal airport for the western suburbs of the GTA, and YHM for the far-west + Niagara & Kitchener-Waterloo.

Too bad YHM doesn't get much in the way of flying, otherwise I would use it all the time. Instead I have to go to YYZ or BUF



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

This is the best news I've had in AGES!!!

I moved to Toronto a bit over a month ago and have only gone back to Ottawa once because I can't really be bother with the 4 hour drive.

Getting out to Mississauga to get to YYZ from work (DVP @ Eglinton) is a real pain espceially since I didn't bring my car down here when I moved. When you factor in enough time to check in etc it's really not that much faster flying than driving - especially if you try to jump on a friday PM flight for a getaway. Hopefully YTZ service is here to stay.

Hopefully having two carriers operating YOW-YTZ will drive prices down.

YOWza in YYZ



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

Looks like Jazz may have not gone through the proper channels before announcing service..

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2006/06/c8486.html



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User currently offlineDgehfx From Canada, joined May 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

Didn't AC first drive City Express out of business? They had a much more developed route structure from YTZ.
Once the competition was eliminated AC/Jazz then reduced their own services to just 4 flights a day to YOW and none to YUL. Now that there's the possibility of a company developing services from YTZ again AC announces that it was always their intention to expand services at the City Centre airport.

Sounds like Dog-in-the-Manger (monopolising a location to the exclusion of others) behaviour to me.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3056 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6343 times:
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Quoting MattRB (Reply 19):
Looks like Jazz may have not gone through the proper channels before announcing service..

Dear oh dear.... Jazz vs the Toronto Ports Authority now... This is turning into a very nasty little row. IMHO, Jazz should be forced to show they can PROFITABLY operate from YTZ before they are allowed back in. For years they claimed it was "not profitable" to operate from YTZ so what changed BESIDES the looming predator of Proter?



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User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6159 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 21):
For years they claimed it was "not profitable" to operate from YTZ so what changed BESIDES the looming predator of Proter?

They claim in the first press release that the expanded and improved ferry facilities are the driving force behind the sudden change. We'll see how this all pans out.


User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 21):
Dear oh dear.... Jazz vs the Toronto Ports Authority now... This is turning into a very nasty little row. IMHO, Jazz should be forced to show they can PROFITABLY operate from YTZ before they are allowed back in. For years they claimed it was "not profitable" to operate from YTZ so what changed BESIDES the looming predator of Proter?

Then should Porter not have to also show that they can be profitable as well? Or does this only apply to big bad AC?

Not too many in the know give Porter a hope in hell of being profitable. Some even suggest that Deluce is just playing waiting games and will be suing left right and centre when Toronto City council tries again to get the island airport shut down to commercial flights.

This whole YTZ story isn't over by a long shot. Another election looms for Toronto and no doubt the island airport will be a hot issue for the local politicians trying to divert attention from the real issues they should be dealing with.


User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 19):
Looks like Jazz may have not gone through the proper channels before announcing service..

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a....html

Jazz responded today to the comments put out by the Toronto Port Authority

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2006/07/c8686.html


25 YOWza : I hate the fact that something so stupid as municipal politics is stopping progress, particularly as in this case is pertains to aviation. Surely auth
26 Tennisace : " target=_blank>http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a....html Ouch! Take that Toronto Port Authority! Looks like they've got a fight on their hands.
27 N43W79 : Now if only they could start operating jets into the airport... I've got an idea! How about having the Gardiner knocked down (the noise and pollution
28 Accargo : LMAO, yeah it would be as simple as that. No need to deal with all the nimby's, no worries about where to park all those cars, no worries about how t
29 FLYACYYZ : Don't know what kind of aircraft deliveries are on order for ACJazz, but just where is this slew of Dash 8's coming from?? 17 extra weekday flights pe
30 Piercey : No, I don't mean service wise, I mean inter-city airport wise. For example, my dad flew into LGA the a while back just for the day because of a meeti
31 MattRB : According to sources, Porter will be receiving 4 Q400s this year, and YUL will be their next destination after YOW.
32 YOW : Haven't a few Dash 8's been displaced by CRJs recently with CRJ transfer from mainline to QK now complete, plus all the second-hand CRJ acquisitions?
33 Salomon : Maybe they are the 3 ex-Jazz Dash-8-102 that were leased to Freedom in June: C-FADJ, C-FADK and C-GABI.
34 CGOJZ : These three are not owned by Jazz, nor are the other six ex-Jazz Dash-8-100's that are going to Freedom. Any of the parked aircraft have already been
35 Salomon : Why is Jazz returning all those Dash-8-102s? Is Jazz planning on replacing any Q100s soon? Most of the Q100s were built in 1986-1989 making them 17-2
36 CGOJZ : Virtually all of the Dash-8-100's leaving the fleet are the leased examples that are simply going back to the lessors. This actually began during the
37 Skywatcher : I flew into the island from YUL about 5 years ago. Great, convenient service. I was in the middle of downtown Toronto within 20 minutes of landing. Th
38 Post contains images Boeing744 : Sounds good, and thanks for the info! However, I think we can all agree, that AC Jazz's Dash 8's are currently not up to that standard.
39 Amwest2United : Any new news on the return to the Island????
40 CRJ 900 : Well I can tell you this much, we are currently bidding for August flying and trips into and out of YTZ are in the bid packages with overnights at a h
41 9252fly : Everyone need someone to hate. Besides AC,canadians are famous for hating the post office and banks. Did I miss any other institution?
42 TheLUREnyc : What's with the name 'Porter Airlines' anyway? What does it mean? I think of a skycap when I hear the word porter.
43 Post contains images Olympus69 : Most Canadians used to hate Toronto, but you don't hear the Hogtown name much nowadays
44 Challiday : Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that YTZ operates much the same as LCY with regards to jet aircraft. Pretty much not allowed. That bei
45 CRJ 900 : YOu aren't putting many jets into YTZ with a 4000ft strip.
46 DFORCE1 : Can't wait to see the Q400 on the YYJ-YVR run!
47 YYZYYT : Speaking as someone who works (and lived) downtown, the island service to YOW and YUL was great. The ferry runs every few minutes, and takes takes ap
48 MattRB : No, decidedly not. However, if AC is moving ahead with a renewal of the p/j fleet, they'll more than likely dump the first few at YTZ to put them on
49 MattRB : According to a supplement in the May/June edition of the Toronto Board of Trade's OnBoard magazine, Porter plans to fly the Q400s with 70 seats on bo
50 MattRB : And just to further that thought, it would be interesting to see if AC will go with the same pitch/seating as Porter plans to when they do move forwa
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