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Last NW DC-10 Flight On 1-7-07 Now?  
User currently offlineKdtwflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 832 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Although this thread RE: Northwest To Retire Their Last DC-10 1/08/07 (by FLAIRPORT Jun 20 2006 in Civil Aviation) states the last flight as being on 1/8/07, looking at www.nwa.com it shows the last DC-10 flight as on 1/7/07. Not sure if anyone wanted to know.


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User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

I was reading my Flight International magazine and it also said the date of the last flight was 1/7/07.


War Eagle!
User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6705 times:

This sould clarify .. it's a redeye .. departing on the 7th and arriving on the 8th.

''The last scheduled DC10 flight for Northwest Airlines will be flight 98, currently scheduled to depart Honolulu at 6:25 p.m. on January 7, 2007, and arrive in the Twin Cities at 6:03 a.m. on January 8.''

Then they all go to ATA??  laughing 

[Edited 2006-07-07 21:42:19]


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User currently offlineB6767200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Will these birds be stored or sold?

Economically this is a smart move, the cost of paying a flight engineer and fuel cost for the 3rd engine has forced NW to expedite the retirement of the DC-10...  Angry


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

Quoting Kdtwflyer (Thread starter):
Although this thread RE: Northwest To Retire Their Last DC-10 1/08/07 (by FLAIRPORT Jun 20 2006 in Civil Aviation) states the last flight as being on 1/8/07, looking at www.nwa.com it shows the last DC-10 flight as on 1/7/07. Not sure if anyone wanted to know.

So you started a WHOLE thread for this.

 laughing 

Ridiculous . . . why didn't you add it to the thread already on the same subject.


User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 2):
Then they all go to ATA??

Management at ATA is tight lipped about obtaining these birds. I am not sure that they are still under consideration.


User currently offlineB6767200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 5):
Management at ATA is tight lipped about obtaining these birds. I am not sure that they are still under consideration.

I don't see any commercial carrier purchasing these DC10's. It is very expensive to operate a 3 engine, and 3 man flight deck. I could see it being converted to a freighter.


User currently offlineZKNSJ From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6489 times:

maybe as training birds for the usaf, for the kc-10's

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6443 times:

Didnt Omni International agree to purchase a handful of DC10s from NW.....including the three "newer" ex Thai Airways DC10-30ERs?

Is ATA really thinking about picking up 30 year old DC10s to replace 30 year old 1011s; does that make any sense at all?


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

Quoting ATA767 (Reply 5):
Management at ATA is tight lipped about obtaining these birds. I am not sure that they are still under consideration.

Yes, they are still under consideration. There were talks in MSP in recent weeks.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
Is ATA really thinking about picking up 30 year old DC10s to replace 30 year old 1011s; does that make any sense at all?

The 4 L-1011s left are not 30 years old and neither are the DC10's being considered. While no the best replacement, but think about it...which one has several hundred still operating worldwide, fully supported by a manufacturer (Boeing)and very polpular engine type and which aircraft has none of these?

I love the L-1011, but its time is quickly running out for good. While it is a solid aircraft, the engines and spares issues are becoming insurmountable. At least the DC-10 has these advantages and if we can make money with L-1011's, we certainly can make money with DC-10s and perhaps more. Keep in mind these are used on somewhat regular military and ad-hoc charter where an older aicraft is best with no high dollar leases requiring high utilization to pay for them.



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
Is ATA really thinking about picking up 30 year old DC10s to replace 30 year old 1011s; does that make any sense at all?

Two things, neither very attractive, but beggars can't be choosers:

1. Nothing else available for ATA due to its financial situation.

2. Volume. No more L10's available limits the widebodyfleet to 4 aircraft. NW offers 12 aircraft.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Quoting B6767200 (Reply 3):
Will these birds be stored or sold?

Omni bought just about all the NW birds.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
Didnt Omni International agree to purchase a handful of DC10s from NW.....including the three "newer" ex Thai Airways DC10-30ERs?

Yep, they bought just about all of them that were left.



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

What the h*** are they gonna use them for? Everytime I fly in or out of ATL I see 3 or 4 of them sitting on the North ramp. Their utilization must be low now - what's it going to be with 12 more???


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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
Omni bought just about all the NW birds.



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
Yep, they bought just about all of them that were left.

This is not true. What is your source? While NWA currently operates 12, they have many stored of the original 18 -30's. Do you mean to tell me Omni purchased all 18? not a chance!



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
Omni bought just about all the NW birds.

All or some of the remaining NW DC10-30s?

--------

Question: If NW did, in fact, sell its DC10-30 fleet to Omni, couldnt ATA consider other parked DC10s? For example, CO parked its DC10 fleet in October 2001, what is the status of those airplanes?

I find all of this just extraordinary - ATA and Omni "fighting" over NW's aging DC10-30 fleet which consists of aircraft built in the 1970s and 1980s.

As for ATA, is it really impossible for them to source four used 763ERs? After everything that has occured with ATA, and being that they are now part of the Southwest "family", my guess is that Boeing would do everything in its power to help ATA locate the aircraft that they need.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6120 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
Question: If NW did, in fact, sell its DC10-30 fleet to Omni, couldnt ATA consider other parked DC10s? For example, CO parked its DC10 fleet in October 2001, what is the status of those airplanes?

Long gone. There are nothing more than one here, two there available on the market and it makes more sense to add from the same batch (i.e. NWA) since they are pretty much all alike.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
I find all of this just extraordinary - ATA and Omni "fighting" over NW's aging DC10-30 fleet which consists of aircraft built in the 1970s and 1980s.

Not if you consider what else is there other than 767-300ERs with lease rates that are too expensive for charter ops.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
As for ATA, is it really impossible for them to source four used 763ERs? After everything that has occured with ATA, and being that they are now part of the Southwest "family", my guess is that Boeing would do everything in its power to help ATA locate the aircraft that they need.

No, it is not impossible to source used 767-300ERs, but at a minimum 600K per month lease rate, it makes no business sense for low utilzation charter ops.

While we are part of a Southwest "family" as you put it, they have no financial ownership interest in ATA. Southwest does have some influence over scheduled ops with the codeshare, but not on the charter side which is about 40% of total revenues and the area where these aircraft would be used. Matlin Patterson Global Partners is ATA's majority shareholder. MP doesn't want their $150 milllion investment to be pissed away by adding expensive aircraft leases that we can't pay for. After being in bankruptcy for 15 months, the main goal this year has been to reduce costs, rationalize the network, and become profitable.

As for Boeing, they were heavily involved in financing the then new fleet and post-bankruptcy, they could care less about finding us aircraft since they lost so much the first time.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Thanks for your insights, very informative. Regards.

User currently offlineRedtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

Omni and perhaps ATA would find the DC10 to be a very suitable aircraft for CRAF flights to/from the Gulf. NWA did several flights to Kuwait with them and this flying is quite lucrative - so a good chance for Omni, etc to pick up extra equipment cheaply in order to gain more of a share of this flying.

User currently offlineN808NW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

nwa.com still shows NRT and KIX to HNL as DC-10s past January.... whats the deal with that?

-Jason



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User currently offlineSkip17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting Kdtwflyer (Thread starter):
Although this thread RE: Northwest To Retire Their Last DC-10 1/08/07 (by FLAIRPORT Jun 20 2006 in Civil Aviation) states the last flight as being on 1/8/07, looking at www.nwa.com it shows the last DC-10 flight as on 1/7/07. Not sure if anyone wanted to know.

So you started a WHOLE thread for this.

laughing

Ridiculous . . . why didn't you add it to the thread already on the same subject.

Well you are only adding to it by making a comment.
Is the MSP-LGW going to continue to be a DC-10 until the last flight?
I found the information worth a new thread.  Yeah sure

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7420 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5965 times:
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Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 13):
This is not true. What is your source? While NWA currently operates 12, they have many stored of the original 18 -30's.

We had 24 DC10-30s actually when at the peak in 2000. NW sold 5 of the ER's in the fleet. We had 7 of them but 3 were high on flight hours and most likey will be retired. N238NW, N239NW, N241NW, N242NW, N244NW are the ones for sure, being sold to Omni, with N235NW, and N236NW being sold as parts donars. There is a possibilty that Omni may the the other "later" model DC10's in our fleet, N237NW, N240NW, and N243NW if their level of flying demands them.



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User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 832 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
why didn't you add it to the thread already on the same subject.

Can't please everybody on here. Seriously though is that big of a deal?



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User currently offlineRedtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

1236 leaves MSP for TUL on Tuesday, July 11th. As Jetjack says, it will be used by Omni for spare parts.

User currently offlineNWBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

I noticed flight schedules have been updated to reflect the change in equipment to a A333 on the MSP-HNL route, but HNL-KIX and one of the HNL-NRT frequencies still shows the DC-10. What gives? Is it just that the schedule hasn't been updated in worldspan?

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
For example, CO parked its DC10 fleet in October 2001, what is the status of those airplanes?

Our DC-10s are nothing more than memories. I miss the bird a lot, like I miss the 747s. From what I have seen picture-wise and read, most, if not all, of our 10s have been scrapped or gone to other airlines (read: FedEx and cargo ones).

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/C...nental%20Airlines-history-dc10.htm



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineE7plnr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 103 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

As stated before, Omni will receive 5 of the the last 6 DC-10 to come off the Douglas line.
1238,1239,1240,1243 and 1244. These are all low time and cycle a/c.
1236 is leaving MSP on the 11th for Omni to be used for spare parts. This a/c has been grounded for the past few months due to a structural crack that was not worth repairing.
ATA has shown interest in a number of other NWA DC-10's, yet no official word as to which ones will go, if at all.

e7plnr


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