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US To Add 6 More Seats On Its 319's  
User currently offlineB6767200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

US Airways plans this fall to add six more seats -- another row -- to its coach cabin on its A319s. No changes in the first-class cabin of the A319s are planned.

Legroom is already tight on these birds, what kind of legroom can we expect on the updated 319's?


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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Looks like it's just a standardization between the HP and US 319s. HP 319s had 22 rows with 30-32" of pitch, and US 319s had 21 rows with 32" of pitch. Now they'll all be 22 rows....

User currently offlineB6767200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

Quoting Travatl (Reply 1):
Looks like it's just a standardization between the HP and US 319s. HP 319s had 22 rows with 30-32" of pitch, and US 319s had 21 rows with 32" of pitch. Now they'll all be 22 rows....

What will the pitch be like with the added row? If its at 32" now, what can we expect with an added row?


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Could they also use the thinner seats like LX and LH ? This way, the smaller legroom wouldn't be felt.


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

It's not just the 319s that are getting more seats...

Quoting B6767200 (Reply 2):
What will the pitch be like with the added row? If its at 32" now, what can we expect with an added row?

They're just claiming the generic 30"-32", not giving a specific number. They're removing a closet, so that will help some.

Quoting A342 (Reply 3):
Could they also use the thinner seats like LX and LH ?

They could, but they won't.  Silly



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User currently offlineANNOYEDFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

I think they should do like Spirit has done to their 319's and possibly their 320's if they could. Remove half the galley out, then add just one lav aircraft left, kind of like the old 73-200's and add even more seats!


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

We are also planning on modifiying the 321's to be reduced to 16 FC seats...and adding coach seats I'm assuming. They did say this was not definite yet however

User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

Everything is pretty much going to the HP way of seating...who really needs the closet anyway?

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5922 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 7):
..who really needs the closet anyway?

First class passengers use the closet to have their coats hung up...it's part of the level of service in F...I'd rather have my sportsjacket hung up in a closet than have to wear it (and let it get wrinkled up) or put in the overhead (which can get a little dirty up there). Whenever I'm in F and wearing a sportsjacket, I expect for it to be hung up. Another downgrade to US' service that will keep this Preferred member on Delta more.

Jeff


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5903 times:

Last time I checked they had a spot behind the last row of FC to hang up coats...it's not a closet but a rack to at least keep it from getting wrinkled. Quite honestly I don't think we are really aiming for customers looking for a traditional "first class" experience. They are offering it more as a step up from coach. They are referring to it internally as "business casual". Our Envoy service however is going to remain competitive with other carriers (or try to anyhow).

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5868 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
First class passengers use the closet to have their coats hung up...it's part of the level of service in F...I'd rather have my sportsjacket hung up in a closet than have to wear it (and let it get wrinkled up) or put in the overhead (which can get a little dirty up there). Whenever I'm in F and wearing a sportsjacket, I expect for it to be hung up. Another downgrade to US' service that will keep this Preferred member on Delta more.

Oh Mary, there's still a space to hang up your precious "sportjacket". Is that really still a term? All of the fashion world is a tither.........

Seriously, USAir and America West had fairly similar approaches to domestic travel pre-merger, so I'm certain they'll attempt to appease the same client base they had.

Speaking of appeasing client base, the last time I flew on DL, they tossed my coat in an overhead, and had no IFE....


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5811 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 9):
Quite honestly I don't think we are really aiming for customers looking for a traditional "first class" experience. They are offering it more as a step up from coach. They are referring to it internally as "business casual".

That's sure not how they're pricing the fares.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5767 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
That's sure not how they're pricing the fares.

I wonder if they have loaded all the YUP fares system wide. Many times you can get a FC seat for cheaper than a full Y ticket.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5716 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 12):
I wonder if they have loaded all the YUP fares system wide. Many times you can get a FC seat for cheaper than a full Y ticket.

US had the same types of fares pre-merger, as does every other major airline. That's just my point--US is charging the same as other airlines, but providing an inferior product.



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
First class passengers use the closet to have their coats hung up...it's part of the level of service in F...I'd rather have my sportsjacket hung up in a closet than have to wear it (and let it get wrinkled up) or put in the overhead (which can get a little dirty up there

well good news is that even HP can hang up your coat... they may not have closets but they have hooks in the back for the hangers...



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 13):
That's just my point--US is charging the same as other airlines, but providing an inferior product.

That's probably why we (HP) never sold many actual FC seats...most of the seats go to Elites, day of departure upgrades, and FF tickets.  Smile


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

I might also add that the A321 fleet will be reduced to 16 first class seats from the current 26..not exactly sure how many rows of coach they'll be adding on this aircraft though...current config is F26Y143.

25 seats will be added to Economy on the A330 aircraft starting...I believe, this fall.


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5414 times:
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Quoting ANNOYEDFA (Reply 5):
Remove half the galley out, then add just one lav aircraft left, kind of like the old 73-200's and add even more seats!

I agree. The A320 Family have a great asset in the huge Galley #1, as it can take 8 half-carts, 2 hot-ovens and 4 ATLAS carriers (or 12 if no ovens) plus beverage makers while the 737's Galley #1 only have room for 3 half-carts, 2 ATLAS carriers and beverage makers - which necessitates the need for a Galley #2...

The A320 Family Galley #1 can be identical in the back while having a lav next to it, so that should be enough for airlines these days, as most carriers only serve or sell pretzels, chocolate bars and cold sandwiches, which means there is no need for 3-4 hot-ovens in the back. easyJet has a half-size galley in the back of their 156-seat A319s and they have plenty of goods to sell. AF also have a half-size galley in the back of their A318.

I noticed that LH now have a A321 seatmap with 190 seats, up from 182 or 184, so maybe they have simplified their galleys too...?



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User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

The little hooks on the partition at the back of first class are pathetic. As soon as the guy in the last row puts his seat back, it smashes anything on the hook. Several times, I have seen the last row left tilted back when I got on and had to move the seat just to use the hangers. I still wouldn't put anything more than a windbreaker on those hooks.

Is "windbreaker" still a correct term?  Yeah sure

Mike


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

In other news, US is refurbishing its 762 interiors and adding Envoy to the Transatlantic 757s  Smile

User currently offlineBoeing 747-311 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

I was unaware that they were adding 30 economy seats in there A330s, i assume they are removing some of the envoy seats? thats unfortunate becuase last week i flew to LGW, and all the seats were full! great product though!


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User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Common sense and the smart thing to do would have been to take a look at the size of the 319 and 320 fleets on each size of the operation and make the changes according to which side has the larger fleet. If they had done this, the 319 would be in US configuration and the 320 would be in HP configuration.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

Quoting Phllax (Reply 21):
Common sense and the smart thing to do would have been to take a look at the size of the 319 and 320 fleets on each size of the operation and make the changes according to which side has the larger fleet. If they had done this, the 319 would be in US configuration and the 320 would be in HP configuration.

Perhaps, but then they'd be removing seats from the 319's on the HP side - why do that when you can get the extra 6 seats worth of revenue off of every US A319 on every flight. That's a lot of extra capacity over the course of the year, and could likely pay for the extra cost of doing the work.

Not that I like reduced pitch, but that doesn't seem to be how airlines think anymore.

-Dave



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User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

I flew SIN-LAX-LAS recently with the long leg on SQ Raffles and short leg on HP First. The HP flight lacked the "First" feeling to say the least

[Edited 2006-07-08 22:46:12]


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User currently onlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Bjornstrom, I sat in -F-class on a CO 733 in row 3, and the pax in front of me reclined his seat back into my lap. I didnt find that to be a comfortable First class experience. However back to the original topic, it shows that HP took over US and is standardizing the fleet. HP 319s have no closet and 3 lavatories, one forward and 2 aft. Plus overwing exit row has the window seats A and F taken out.


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25 ANNOYEDFA : Right because they are standardizing the fleet to add more seats and make more money so that means one was bigger in the "MERGER"....... Give me a bre
26 FCYTravis : Depends on how much more "money" they make after a bunch of elites jump ship when they cut the F-cabins on the A321s.
27 PVD757 : so, the word is this will START in the fall - anyone have any idea when the entire US 'east' 319 fleet is scheduled to be FINISHED with the cabin re-f
28 Ouboy79 : I think the care for the high yeild passenger went out of the door once they turned the lights off at the Crystal Palace.
29 HPRamper : That's ridiculous, in fact I think something has been added...respect towards the employees.
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