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N330AA - AA 767-200  
User currently offlineB6767200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

Does anyone have an update on this A/C?

This A/C was involved in an engine fire a couple of weeks ago. Last I read it was up in the air if they would scrap this bird or repair it, any updates?

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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

I think that I remember reading that the airplane will be written off.....now if I could only remember where I read or heard that info. Wish that I could be of more help.

User currently offlineB6767200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
I think that I remember reading that the airplane will be written off.....now if I could only remember where I read or heard that info. Wish that I could be of more help.

Thanks for the info.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
I think that I remember reading that the airplane will be written off.....now if I could only remember where I read or heard that info. Wish that I could be of more help.

I believe someone mentioned here on an Anet thread that they'd heard from someone at TUL MX that it was a write-off, but I've yet to see anything officially confirming that. Based on the age of the airframe and the damage (and potential liability associated with repair) it would surprise me if it wasn't written off.


User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9648 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
I think that I remember reading that the airplane will be written off
I don't know, but by looking at this picture, its seems that she is probably gonna be repaired. The things that make it look as if she is going to be repair, are the new boogie wheels. But, I really don't if she'll be repaired or not.


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Also does anybody know if WN considered this jet of theirs written off or was it repaired or is it being repaired?


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9629 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 4):
Also does anybody know if WN considered this jet of their written off or was it or is being repaired?

Already back in service, IIRC. If not in service, its being repaired.



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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9598 times:

Based on the pictures, I don't see any reason why they would write off that 762 - most of the damage looks fairly cosmetic.

I could be wrong though.

-Meister



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

Quoting Meister808 (Reply 6):
Based on the pictures, I don't see any reason why they would write off that 762 - most of the damage looks fairly cosmetic.

You need to see the series of photo that were out when it first happened. The damage is far from cosmetic. The fuselage has a deep gash along teh entire under belly, and the underside of the right hand wing was badly damaged.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 5):
Already back in service

One of our fellow A.net members with WN said it will be back in service later this year.



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

Quoting Meister808 (Reply 6):
Based on the pictures, I don't see any reason why they would write off that 762 - most of the damage looks fairly cosmetic.

look at the joint of where the wing meets the fuselage on the pic AA777 posted. You'll see a breach of the fuselage there. Not to mention the flaps, engine, and wing would all need to be replaced due to the heat of the fire and the weakened metal. For that same reason, the torched fuselage could be weaker as well.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9418 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
One of our fellow A.net members with WN said it will be back in service later this year.

I think the last thing that was said about N471WN was that the NTSB hadn't released it to WN yet to begin repairs..... I could be wrong though...



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9316 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
You need to see the series of photo that were out when it first happened. The damage is far from cosmetic. The fuselage has a deep gash along teh entire under belly, and the underside of the right hand wing was badly damaged.

The photos in question are here :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/sets/72157594153722446/

and are truly jaw dropping. You can pretty clearly see the extreme burn damage to the wing in the opening photo, and going on through the series, you'll see the gash in the belly (looks like a Frisbee buzzsawed its way across there), the burn damage to the aft fuselage, and even a shot of a piece of the exploded turbine disk embedded in the #2 engine.

I would be shocked if this airframe wasn't written off, but then again - anything can be fixed ... you just have to spend the money.

- litz


User currently offlineB6767200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9300 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 10):
The photos in question are here :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/se...22446

Litz,

Thanks for the pics...after looking over them I would be surprised if this bird ever flew again!

Will AApull a 767 from the desert to replace this one, or can they maintain there 767-200 operation down one A/C?


User currently offlineLredlefsen From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 4):
does anybody know if WN considered this jet of theirs written off

Isn't that determination made by insurance companies? As someone mentioned, anything can be repaired -- heck, they just launched the Shuttle again -- but not necessarily cost-effectively...

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7):
The fuselage has a deep gash along teh entire under belly

Holy shnikies! It looks like one of the #1 engine's fans took off, slicing through the belly before landing somewhere on the right of the plane... (Is that what happened?)


User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9191 times:
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Quoting Lredlefsen (Reply 12):
Holy shnikies! It looks like one of the #1 engine's fans took off, slicing through the belly before landing somewhere on the right of the plane... (Is that what happened?)

Well, a piece of it did. One of the High Pressure turbine discs failed (quite spectacularly). The piece that buzzsawed across the fuselage belly is the same piece that's embedded in the aft part of the #2 engine. If you look closely in some of the pictures you can clearly see it still embedded in there.

Other pieces went elsewhere, depending on centrifugal forces ... some into the pavement, and one was reported to have been found clear on the other side of airport property.

Remember, there was a helluva lot of energy let go when that disc failed!

- litz


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9124 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 8):
For that same reason, the torched fuselage could be weaker as well.

I could be very well talking out of my ass here, especially since I can't remember where I read it-- let alone if it was a credible source -- but I beleive I have read that

(A) For the reasons listed above N330AA will be written off
(B) A stored 767-200 aircraft will be returned to service in its place

Like I said, I don't know if it's true or not (heck, I don't even know if AA has any 767-200 stored), but it certainly would make sense to me.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
A stored 767-200 aircraft will be returned to service in its place



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
(heck, I don't even know if AA has any 767-200 stored)

AA does have 767-200's stored. Those 767-200's were stored I don't know why, but think they were stored because they were non-ER airliners. AA still operates the 767-200's, 15, excluding N330AA, but they are all Extended Range aircraft.



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

American does not have any 767's in storage. Of those airplanes in that picture most have been cut up. The 200ER's have been sold to different cargo airlines.

As for 330 it changes everyday from we are going to scrap it to we're going to repair it. I have a person I know that works in TUL high up the food chain in maintenance and last time I talked to him they where still talking about the value of the airplane, and it took a act of god to steal parts from it to use on another airplane.

The new tires on the L/H gear are there because the orginial tires are damaged from the fire.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 16):
American does not have any 767's in storage. Of those airplanes in that picture most have been cut up. The 200ER's have been sold to different cargo airlines.

AA had a few 762ERs in storage......are those the aircraft that have been sold to cargo airlines? I did not realize that AA had done that and no longer has any parked 762ERs.

I assume that the 762ERs which are in service have not been sold to other airlines for future delivery.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8992 times:

www.speednews.com shows 3 B767-200ER (2 with CF6) and 2 B767-200EREM (both with CF6).

One of these may be a better bet.


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