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What Airline Should AC Invest In?  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Hello all

I was wondering what airline should AC invest in? We know there's a post just been put up regarding (ACE Hits Pay Dirt) here's the link. ACE Hits Pay Dirt (by Highflyer Jul 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)

We all know AC did so well in return investment on CO and now the new US.
Who's next to invest and make a return profit?

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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
Who's next to invest and make a return profit?

DL looks more and more likely to have a very good plan coming out of BK and be profitable right out of the chute (compared especially with UA!), and perhaps AC can lure them out of the shaky SkyTeam alliance and into Star since HP/US reportedly wants out. Go ahead and eat dirt on this one, 'cause you know I'm right!!! Despite your hatred for Delta!

[Edited 2006-07-08 03:27:03]


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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

I don't hate DL, I hate people posting so many of DL. I think you should make a seperate site for DLs only... Hey if AC does invest in DL then thats good too.
It would be interesting to see DL join Star Alliance.


User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

I vote for Milton taking that big bag of money he's sitting on, and investing some of it in Air Canada.

Just to pick one spot I'm familiar with, the AC maintenance hangar in YWG badly needs some work and updating.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 2):
I don't hate DL, I hate people posting so many of DL. I think you should make a seperate site for DLs only... Hey if AC does invest in DL then thats good too.
It would be interesting to see DL join Star Alliance.

It seams there are more DL bashers on this site  duck ! Keep in mind that DL and AC are cousins already financially speaking, in that American Express administers their frequent flyer miles cards for both SkyMiles and AeroPlan miles respectively. I keep waiting for Costco Wholesale Warehouse to put together a deal for US members with DL and Canadian members with AC since Costco exclusively uses American Express at all US and Canadian warehouses (They kick the S*&% out of Sam's Club!). I'd love it if my Costco annual membership fee covered my American Express DL/SkyMiles card as well, and I'm sure AC American Express users can relate since many of them shop at Costco warehouses in Canada.
As for Star Alliance, I think DL is in reality the second US carrier Milton had in mind along with UA, but US was pushed off on them due to their one time merger deal with UA, and DL went off and started SkyTeam (another bad idea by Leo Mullin) vomit .



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

I was going to suggest SK. They're already in the same alliance, and SK could use a bit of a boost.

However, I just shot down my own idea, since it appears that AC doesn't serve any of Scandinavia, and SK doesn't serve Canada at all. I find that rather surprising....I would think there would at least be demand for a YYZ-CPH route.

So I guess you can throw this idea in the round filing cabinet...


User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting 320tech (Reply 3):
I vote for Milton taking that big bag of money he's sitting on, and investing some of it in Air Canada.

They are investing in new interiors, fleet wide, and in new 777, and 787 aircraft.

I guess they are trying to secure happy passengers first, and then worry about maintenance building cosmetics.

You do make a valid point though. I wouldn't want to drive by the AC hangar at YVR, and see the neon sign falling off the building. I'd start to wonder, what would fall off the plane too.  spin 



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):
and perhaps AC can lure them out of the shaky SkyTeam alliance and into Star since HP/US reportedly wants out.

"shakey SkyTeam alliance"?? Please explain


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7202 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

The airline business is loosing money, flights are full yields are down, this is greater in the US rather than Canada, but the principle is the same.

So you have a airline with money to invest, why would you invest in the same loosing business that you are in?

Diversify, diversify, diversify. Airlines previously invested in hotel, car rental companies etc. Not really saying that they should go back there, but look around, has to be some other business related or not related to the airline industry for them to invest in. Look at what WN did to get money to keep their fuel cost down, people on this site call it "hedgeing", reality is that it was a business investment to provide funds to offset fuel cost.

Just a thought


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Please change my shakey to shaky. I think I am getting shaky!

Still on this subject, shouldn't AC spend any cash it has on hand to pay down its rather sizeable debt before lookin to invest in another airline.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4056 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
Please change my shakey to shaky. I think I am getting shaky!



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7):
SkyTeam alliance"?? Please explain

Take a good look at who is solvent and who isn't. NW is still a strong contender for an eventual Chapter 7, DL is slowly digging themselves out of the disaster that Leo left them with and CO is very disgruntled to say the least. AF/KLM is in SkyTeam just 'cause BA is in OneWorld and LH is in Star. As for an alliance, SkyTeam sucks! May they tombstone 



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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting 320tech (Reply 3):
investing some of it in Air Canada.

Yep! AC needs to invest in itself first!


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 1):
DL looks more and more likely to have a very good plan coming out of BK and be profitable right out of the chute (compared especially with UA!), and perhaps AC can lure them out of the shaky SkyTeam alliance and into Star since HP/US reportedly wants out.

Where did you get that info?! Especially about HP/US!?!? They are not leaving Star anytime soon, as it is their ticket to an instant global network, not to mention FF bonus/ugrades with each Star airline. As much as I love DL, they will NOT switch alliances anytime soon either.



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User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 646 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9):
Still on this subject, shouldn't AC spend any cash it has on hand to pay down its rather sizeable debt before lookin to invest in another airline.

AC does not have any sizeable debt except for long-term aircraft leases.


User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

I think AC needs to invest in itself. Start with a few more people working the long lines at the check-in counters. Increased seat pitch would be nice. Ten years ago I was a loyal AC customer because their service was second to none. Last time I flew them about 18 months ago, their service was second to just about everybody. I fly 25min from YYJ to connect to Asiana at SEA and I get a snack and a beer courtesy of AS. I fly YVR to LAX on AC and practicaly need a second mortgage to buy a beer. These little things count when you have your choice of carriers. AC still acts like its got a monopoly.


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User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

then worry about maintenance building cosmetics.

I'm not talking about cosmetics. I'm talking about updating 40 year old buildings and machinery to compete in a world wide market, of which AC claims to want to be a part.



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