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Fokker Lives On In New Shape!  
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6921 posts, RR: 76
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

A friend took this shot...

http://www.indoflyer.net/indoforum/upfiles/1103/DD720076461843F7B9904DF495079237.jpg

After the MA-60 order, looks like Merpati does it again with strange planes ! LOL

Mandala499


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

I think it's a pretty cool looking jet. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineIanatSTN From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Wow that does look pretty cool, what engines are those?

Cheers,
Ian.



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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7302 times:

Quoting IanatSTN (Reply 2):
what engines are those?

They are probably the same engines that were on the fuselage but moved under the wings. Robert NWDC10


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

Will that plane be used in the new Bond movie ?
After that An 124/Il 76 hybrid and the 747 with B-52 style engines recently posted here you get the impression that they use a lot of weird aircrafts.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineIanatSTN From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

Thanks for that, would this aircraft be considered airworthy? If it is does anyone have any idea as to the purpose of this modification?

Cheers,
Ian.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 3):
They are probably the same engines that were on the fuselage but moved under the wings. Robert NWDC10

They look more like engines taken from a 737-200, maybe even the entire wing from a 737-200.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineIanatSTN From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7175 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
They look more like engines taken from a 737-200, maybe even the entire wing from a 737-200.

If this info was to be true then I very much doubt it is airworthy  Smile And the fact it is perhaps going to be used in the bond film further supports this theory.

Cheers,
Ian



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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
They look more like engines taken from a 737-200, maybe even the entire wing from a 737-200.

almost looks like that, but I think they look a little small for a 737 wing/engine



CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineNZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

Keep thinking of that little song "It's Merpati and I'll fly if I want to..."

Looks like this might include doing crazy modifications to their jets as well!!!

And I have heard quite a bit (accurate or otherwise) about Merpati flying aircraft that would not be allowed to get anywhere near a runway in the West, let alone take off with people on board!

So who knows - maybe they DO fly that thing!



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User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

Extensive cloaning can be seen in various places on the image..

http://www.tfsphoto.com/pics/airliners_cloned_fokker.jpg

Go figure...

Lew


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Cloning? Perhaps, but not necessarily. The tail section is missing its engine pylon, hence the markings. Had it been cloned the photo would have looked differently. Why leave a tiny mark where the pylon would have been if you can easily remove the entire reference?

As for the fuselage section. Sorry, don't see a trace of cloning. Obviously the picture quality is quite dreadful so any cloning is more easily to hide but still.

As for the wing. It is in my opinion quite clearly a standard F28 wing (check the wing fence) with the normal F28 engine attached underneath it (engine is too small to be 732).

Leaves us only the question of why. What movie will this be used in, and why does the engine have to be under the wings instead of just on the fuselage.



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

They've done something weird with a 747 for this movie too... check it out.


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Can't wait to see this in theaters!


User currently offlineSpotterke From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5115 times:
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Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 11):
Cloning? Perhaps, but not necessarily. The tail section is missing its engine pylon, hence the markings. Had it been cloned the photo would have looked differently. Why leave a tiny mark where the pylon would have been if you can easily remove the entire reference?

Maby that is just the goal of the cloner.Maby he/she wants us to believe that there was an engine on the fuselage



Marc
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

It's for the movie. Probably doing things and crashing them about that the real airplane manufacturers might get a little testy about. They don't fly. At least not in the real world. They may fly in the computer. Will be interesting to see what they do with them. You never know with Specter..

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3001 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting NZ8800 (Reply 9):
Keep thinking of that little song "It's Merpati and I'll fly if I want to..."

Hehehe, I love it!  Smile



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

Hot little fokker...

Hey, if that thing is gonna be in a movie it might be worth checking it out just for that scene. For sure it'd beat watching Pirates of the Caribbean which I saw last night.. PoS!

So is that an F-28 or an F-70?


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4471 times:
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Why would they bother to make a ficticious airplane flown by a real airline? Love to see the script reason if it is a movie prop.


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4879 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4369 times:

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 11):
Cloning? Perhaps, but not necessarily. The tail section is missing its engine pylon, hence the markings. Had it been cloned the photo would have looked differently.

What could be the rationale for the high T-tail when the engines are mounted underwing?



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4308 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 16):
So is that an F-28

It's an F-28. Notice the eyebrow window above the main cockpit windows.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 18):
What could be the rationale for the high T-tail when the engines are mounted underwing?

I wouldn't know, but it's not unheard of. The first 757 designs or rather the proposed 727-300 was to have a T-Tail and wing mounted engines. Also, don't forget these birds:

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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4191 times:

T-tail with low-wing and wing-mounted engines?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
The first 757 designs or rather the proposed 727-300 was to have a T-Tail

... but they found it was less efficient overall. T-tails have some advantages, some disadvantages, but...

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
Also, don't forget these birds:

... which all have high wing.

You can see some with low-wing and wing-mounted engines, but they're turboprops with the engines above, rather than below, the wings, e.g. Brasilia.

If there's a low-wing with engines below the wing and a T-tail, I don't know what it is, and they didn't make too many of 'em.

But kids draw 'em that way sometimes, at least I did.  Smile


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4108 times:

How about this thing?  Smile


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User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 18):

What could be the rationale for the high T-tail when the engines are mounted underwing?

On planes with propellers (i.e. King Air C90s compared to King Air F90), it actually is beneficial to have a T tail, because the prop-wash going over the tail creates a reasonable amount of turbulence. I would assume that that could also be the case with high wing aircraft (since the wing is higher).


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4008 times:

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 21):
How about this thing?

It's got buried engines (thus not underwing engines), but I'll give 8/10 for thinking of it.  biggrin  BTW there was a transport version proposed, still with the T-tail... e.g. http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/victor/history.html

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 22):
On planes with propellers (i.e. King Air C90s compared to King Air F90), it actually is beneficial to have a T tail,

 checkmark  -- although still engines on/above wing, not under.  Smile


User currently offline757223 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Airworthy? I don't think we would even be to the step of asking if it is "airworthy." Moving engines to a wing from the rear would affect CG and balance.


A/C Flown: 727,737,747,757,767,777,A319/320,MD-80,DC-9,DC-10,L-1011,BAC-111,F-100,CRJ-200/700,EMB-135/140/145,SF-340
25 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : View Large View MediumPhoto © David Townsend - WorldAirImages Here are a couple of examples where high tailplanes are clearly warranted..... Vie
26 Post contains images DEVILFISH :
27 Post contains links Ptrjong : Fokker's own one-time F-29 design: http://www.dutch-aviation.nl/picture.../Civil/Fokker%20F29%20tekening.jpg But of course this F-28 is not airworthy.
28 Mandala499 : After reading the replies... all I could say is... OMFG! I never thought you guys would discuss it to this seriousness! But that's credit to all who p
29 Post contains images Mogget : Thing ?!! THING ??!!!!!!! That is a Handley Page Victor. One of the most beautiful planes ever built. And if there are any multi millionaires reading
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