Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2454 times:
This is my first post so I hope the photo linked up ok. I apologize if this is the wrong forum, but this question is about the plane in the photo, not the photo itself.
I bought this framed 8x10 at an Antique store in St. Louis a week ago and was wondering if there is a way to identify this particular 727, since the tail number is obscured. On the back of the photo there is a large stamp reading K15038, photo by Boeing, does that number mean anything? Two other questions; what years did TWA have this color scheme? Does anyone recognize the mountain range in the background? I hung this photo in my office and my co-workers have asked me about it so I figure I would ask the experts. I would love to have a little history on the plane if that is possible. I used to fly STL-CVG on TWA in the early 90s and several times on what the FA said was the oldest 727 TWA had. I wonder if this was the plane. If I could find the tail number I would know.
Laddb From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
Just a guess, but could that be the first 727 delivered to TWA? I think this is a flight at Boeing before delivery to TWA, and I would assume that is one of the famous peaks near Seattle - Mt. Rainer, Hood, etc? Someone from the area will know.
Socalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
That is Mt Ranier, so obviously a Boeing delivery or publicity shot. The airplane is a 727-200, not a 727-100, so it's not the first 727 delivered to TWA, the number you have sounds like a stock number for the print, the wingtip is right over the tail-number, no other equipment numbers on the fuselage anywhere, so i'm afraid it's a mystery.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2295 times:
Quoting Laddb (Reply 1): Just a guess, but could that be the first 727 delivered to TWA?
Its a 727-200, so it was not the first 727 delivered to TWA (they already operated a fleet of 727-100s)........but my guess is that its the first 727-200 built for TWA on a test flight while the airplane was still with Boeing. The backround and the mountains suggest Seattle, and TWA did not fly to Seattle back then, so it likely is a predelivery flight, my guess is that we are talking about 1967.
As for the color scheme....this livery was introduced by TWA with the jet age...it first appeared on the TW 707s starting in 1959 and continued until the mid 1980s.....elegant, isnt it? Note the twin globe logo, also very classic. The 727-200 was a very popular aircraft.....it served short to medium range routes and carried about 135 to 150 passengers; the 727-200 was the widely used by many carriers; several US airlines operated by type into this century, but most remaining 727-200s were quickly retired after the events of 9/11 and the resulting downturn in airline trafffic; the 727-200 is a 3 engine/3 person cockpit airliner which resulted in high operating costs.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2210 times:
Thanks for all the info. I thought it was a good find too. They also had a TWA 747 photo, but it was rather faded. This particular store had all kinds of TWA stuff laying around. Creve Coeur Antique Mall on Olive rd, in Creve Coeur, MO (suburb of St. Louis) is the place if anyone is nearby and wants some cool stuff. I guess all the TWA people are getting rid of their stuff. Back in the early 90s I used to see a lot of Ozark stuff at antique stores in St. Louis.
I would have loved to see TWA livery on a 772/3 with my butt in the left seat!
I'll try to scan my only picture of a TWA 727--a -100 with me standing in front of it on the observation deck at IND Weir Cook Airport. I was about 6 at the time. I actually got to jumpseat on that particular airplane (N857TW) before it was turned into beer cans.TC
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1855 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
The Twin Globes WERE NOT introduced in 1959, with the introduction of the 707 and a year later, the 880. The first TW Jets had the same color scheme but WITHOUT THE Twin Globes. The Twin Globes were introduced in about 1961, or 1962 with the introduction of the Starstream (Fan Jet) 707's. The four B-720-051B's, leased from Boeing and later delivered to NW were also delivered with the Twin Globes. All the 727's were delivered in that scheme, except for a few 727-231A's.
SJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
.....What about e-mailing Boeing Archives and ask them about the photo ID number. They probably have it on a database, if not in the huge volume's of photo books in the building,,(which the last time I was there, is across the street from the Museum of Flight..)
SJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
.................And I'd venture a guess, at 99.9% probablility, the mountain is Mt Baker. north, and east of Everett. Mt Rainier looks way diff than that and the sun angle isn't right for the lighting angle.