Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2942 times:
With the start of the W06/07 timetable (eff 29th October 06), Egyptair will significantly boost their schedule on the Cairo (CAI) - Aswan (ASW) domestic route from 4 to 7 daily flights. This represents a whopping 75% increase in flights on the route in time for the peak winter travel season to 'Upper Egypt'. Flights will be operated with a mixture of B735s, A320s and A321s.
In addition Aswan (ASW) - Abu Simbel (ABS) flights will go up from 3 to 4 daily flights as one of the new CAI-ASW flights (MS145/146) will continue onto ABS.
The population of Aswan and the surrounding area is the 3rd largest in the country (after Cairo and Alexandria) and the southern region of the country has most of the Ancient Egyptian Pharaonic sites and relics as well as the famous Aswan Dam and Lake Nasser. The increase will mainly cater for the influx in tourist numbers expected over the 'cooler' winter months (and hence the flight times available).
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
hey horus azayak
Well when i think about comes to my mind is it really worth 7 flights a day to ASW?
I know its popular but...!!!?
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2832 times:
I'm OK. Inta 3amel eh ya Captin? You seem to disappear for weeks then reappear again
Regarding this increase, even though Egypt is a year round destination, for the southern areas of Luxor, Aswan, Abu Simbel, Thebes, Edfu, Esna, etc the winter months are when significant tourist numbers visit the Pharaonic sites (summer temperatures easily hit 50°C+).
Since Summer04 Egyptair have operated 4x daily CAI-ASW flights during the summer and 5x daily in the winter, so this latest increase will cater for the expected higher demand.
In 2005 LXR handled 2.1 million passengers and ASW handled 1.1 million passengers, 7.2% and 4.1% respectively higher than 2004.
Here are some figures for LXR and ASW for 2005:
Luxor (LXR)
Domestic Non-Scheduled: 472,576 Domestic Scheduled: 517,837 International Charters: 894,845 International Scheduled: 220,475
Aswan (ASW)
Domestic Non-Scheduled: 503,558 Domestic Scheduled: 513,109 International Charters: 88,868 International Scheduled: 3,390
The 'Domestic Scheduled' figures are Egyptair's figures (as they're the only domestic scheduled operator). So Egyptair handle over half a million domestic passengers out of both airports which is quite significant (especially for ASW). Egyptair's domestic destinations out of LXR are CAI, ASW and SSH, while out of ASW they serve CAI and ABS.
However I must mention that Air Memphis controls the ASW-ABS-ASW market with their 'scheduled charter flights'. In fact Air Memphis's ASW-ABS-ASW schedule overshadows MS's 4x daily flights. They have 4 flights on a Monday, 6 on a Tuesday, 9 on a Wednesday, 12 on a Thursday and 15 on a Friday! You can actually book on these flights directly with them. http://www.air-memphis.com/
MSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 846 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2810 times:
Hey Horus , CaptinTuT , keif A7walkom .
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): the winter months are when significant tourist numbers visit the Pharaonic sites (summer temperatures easily hit 50°C+).
It is true that Southern Egypt is hot in the summer but if you are not under direct sunlight you don't feel the heat cause the weather is very dry in upper Egypt , on the other hand the temperature might be a lot less in Alexandria but because of its humid weather some days become unbearable in the summer ( Years back i spent 14 days in a camp in Menya in the middle of the summer and it was gorgeous )
I hope the arrival of the new B738's will help MS to expand both domestic and international network .
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2786 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): I'm OK. Inta 3amel eh ya Captin? You seem to disappear for weeks then reappear again
Tamam Elhamd LLAh, yea i got this new project with my company that keep my so busy lately but don't worry i'm still alive
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): summer temperatures easily hit 50°C+).
I remmber the last time i went there that was like 10 years ago maybe littel more and it was amazing if though it was really so hot.
I can't forget that time because that was my first time into a B737 flight deck
I was with my dad in the route ASW-ABS-ASW-LXR-CAI and in the leg ABS-ASW after boarding i heared my name being called and asking me to come upfront, i went there and there was the senior flight attendant who greeted me and ask me if my dad is such and such and that my dad told him that i love flying so he Asked the pilot if i can be in the flight deck for this leg, man tell you it was the most amazing moments in my life. wish i can do that again one day
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): In 2005 LXR handled 2.1 million passengers and ASW handled 1.1 million passengers, 7.2% and 4.1% respectively higher than 2004.
that's very promissing i like to hear such news
Quoting Horus (Reply 2): Having said that I understand your surprise when you compare CAI-ASW flights to the traditional trunk routes of CAI-LXR and CAI-SSH.
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 3): on the other hand the temperature might be a lot less in Alexandria but because of its humid weather some days become unbearable in the summer
Can't agree more, i love Alexandria in the winter in the summer sometime you just can't take it.
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 3): I hope the arrival of the new B738's will help MS to expand both domestic and international network .
Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 3): I hope the arrival of the new B738's will help MS to expand both domestic and international network .
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 4): We all waitting for them, start the countdown.
Still no sign of them in the schedules...
I was hoping to get on the inaugural flight this September but due to commitments the earliest I can go to Egypt is December/January(!)
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 4): Tamam Elhamd LLAh, yea i got this new project with my company that keep my so busy lately but don't worry i'm still alive Wink
Rabina Yewafa2ak.
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 4): I remmber the last time i went there that was like 10 years ago maybe littel more and it was amazing if though it was really so hot.
I can't forget that time because that was my first time into a B737 flight deck
I was with my dad in the route ASW-ABS-ASW-LXR-CAI and in the leg ABS-ASW after boarding i heared my name being called and asking me to come upfront, i went there and there was the senior flight attendant who greeted me and ask me if my dad is such and such and that my dad told him that i love flying so he Asked the pilot if i can be in the flight deck for this leg, man tell you it was the most amazing moments in my life. wish i can do that again one day
O the good old days of cockpit visits at MS...
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 4): that's very promissing i like to hear such news
Don't we all. I just hope tourist numbers continue to grow in 2006.
Well they might surprise us with more flights to SSH and LXR.
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 4): Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 3):
on the other hand the temperature might be a lot less in Alexandria but because of its humid weather some days become unbearable in the summer
Can't agree more, i love Alexandria in the winter in the summer sometime you just can't take it.
I much prefer Alex in the summer. The atmosphere is great even if it does get a tad hot. In the winter it's a bit too quiet, cold and not as lively.
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2634 times:
Quoting Outlier (Reply 7): Was there recently. Went CAI-ASW-ABS-ASW
Full all the way.
this route is busy all year long that's why they adding more flights into it.
Outlier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 8): Quoting Outlier (Reply 7):Great service from Egyptair!
I'm Glad you like it, Egyptair have a decent service in the domestic.
so what was your airline in the international flight to CAI?
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 6): Rebna ye7'lik we yewf2na game3an isa
Very nice words there
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 6): hope for more and more, even though i don't see it that much because what's going these days in the middle east.
True. It's difficult to predict how the latest escalation will impact the Egyptian tourism industry. Egypt's far enough from the 'problem area' to allow for a safe holiday but it might be seen as too close for comfort for European tourists. Having said that most tourists visiting Egypt in the summer are Arabs from the Gulf region. Traditionally Egypt and Beirut have been the summer holiday hot spots for Gulf Arabs, but with the situation in Lebanon (which I hope is resolved a.s.a.p) Egypt is expected to get more tourists. Airline wise, for example, Air Arabia are offering passengers booked on flights to Beirut, to change their destinations to Egypt (ALY, SSH, LXR, ATZ) and Turkey (SAW) - Source. And by the way I know it's awful to benefit from other people's misfortune, so I'm not thrilled at all at the reason behind this expected increase.
Just to add, regarding the current problem, Egyptair have cancelled BEY flights (obviously) as well as TLV flights (operated by Air Sinai). Egyptair's daily CAI-DAM flights (MS721/722) have been upgraded from the normal mixture of A320/B735 flights to the B777 to aid the evacuation and compensate for the cancellation of BEY services.
Quoting Outlier (Reply 7): Was there recently. Went CAI-ASW-ABS-ASW
Full all the way.
Beautiful day of course.
Great service from Egyptair!
Great to hear you enjoyed Egypt and Egyptair.
What aircraft did you fly on? I assume it was a mixture of A320s, A321s or B735s.
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6363 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2560 times:
This is the winter schedule.
I recall last year trying to book seats in Feb and being unable to obtain the flights that I wanted. I did get flights on a different day, but they were pretty full.
IMO the key point here is that there is little internal competition.
Given the choice between a 1 hr flight, and 3 hrs drive across the desert in a convoy, then the smart money flies.
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2555 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 11): I recall last year trying to book seats in Feb and being unable to obtain the flights that I wanted. I did get flights on a different day, but they were pretty full.
I remember you said you flew on the AB6. Was it on the CAI-ASW route or another route?
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 11): IMO the key point here is that there is little internal competition.
The Egyptian government wants/wanted Egyptair to have a strong hold on the domestic and Middle Eastern market ex-CAI. Things are changing though. Both http://www.sunair-eg.com/ and http://www.air-memphis.com/ operate regular, internal, bookable flights (i.e. not the normal package tour flight previously allowed). Full liberalisation is predicted in late 2007 / early 2008.
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 11): Given the choice between a 1 hr flight, and 3 hrs drive across the desert in a convoy, then the smart money flies.
True. Taking a coach, IMO, can be difficult when travelling through the desert even if air conditioned. On the other hand the internal train system in Egypt is a very good (and cheaper) alternative (albeit some trains are a tad old).
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2541 times:
Quoting Outlier (Reply 9): We went in and out on BA (from LHR).
Great trip. Very interesting country.
Again i'm Glad you enjoyed that Trip and hope you will do it again.
Quoting Horus (Reply 10): Egyptair have cancelled BEY flights (obviously)
they posted that the flight to BEY was transferred to DAMASCUS airport.
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 11): Given the choice between a 1 hr flight, and 3 hrs drive across the desert in a convoy, then the smart money flies
the problem in the 1 hour flight is what it would take to get to and from the airport and the waiting time and if there is delays, don't get me wrong i would definitely take the flight not just because of the time but because like most of us I love Flying
Quoting Horus (Reply 12): On the other hand the internal train system in Egypt is a very good (and cheaper) alternative (albeit some trains are a tad old).
that's true the train system is getting better in Egypt, cheaper (Yes), Clean i would say depend on the train you traveling on.
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2507 times:
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 13): It was on CAI to ASW, unfortuneately I do not have full details to hand.
I will send tomorrow.
Will eagerly await your answer.
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 14): they posted that the flight to BEY was transferred to DAMASCUS airport.
Yes, the website notice is a little inaccurate (typical). Rather than operate the usual DAM B735/A320 service plus the BEY A320 service, they've upgraded the DAM flight to the B777 (F class seats are reserved for C class passengers with full fare tickets). The twice weekly CAI-ALP-CAI B735 flights remain unchanged but are heavily overbooked until 03Aug06.
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 14): that's true the train system is getting better in Egypt, cheaper (Yes), Clean i would say depend on the train you traveling on.
I've only tried the Cairo-Alexandria train service and was really impressed by the spot on puntuality and onboard service.
There were a couple of 737s in the row when we came back to CAI.
Thanks. I thought so as the A320 and B735 seem to operate the vast majority of CAI-ASW and ASW-ABS flights.
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6363 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2476 times:
Toptravel From Italy, joined Oct 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
Great news after trying to get LXR/ABS/LXR without any luck they need all the flights they can muster on these routes. No doubt after my next trip to Egypt in October, (love the history) maybe in 2007 I'll get to at last visit ABS.
This trip I'm just going back to Al Moudria hotel in Luxor and continue my history lessions.
CaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 345 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
Quoting Horus (Reply 16): I've only tried the Cairo-Alexandria train service and was really impressed by the spot on puntuality and onboard service.
Cheers Bennett123. I remember our little chat in the MS AB6 retirement thread.
BTW was LHR-CAI also on an Egyptair B777?
Quoting Toptravel (Reply 19): Great news after trying to get LXR/ABS/LXR without any luck they need all the flights they can muster on these routes. No doubt after my next trip to Egypt in October, (love the history) maybe in 2007 I'll get to at last visit ABS.
This trip I'm just going back to Al Moudria hotel in Luxor and continue my history lessions.
Great country wonderful people.
It really is music to my ears when I hear people, like yourself, who've enjoyed their time in Egypt. Where abouts are you going in October? Red Sea? Cairo? Luxor?
Hey Pe@rson, how's it going lad? When are you going back to Cairo?
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 21): that's good to hear but actually the train that goes to Upper Egypt is even better if you took the one that have beds on.
Do they have PTVs in each seat (or should I say bed)?
But at least Egyptair Cargo still operates 4 A300s.
Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 21): I'm Glad you liked it, and wish you can go to ABS next time you will really love it.
Jeez, I should take your advice and visit ABS too. I really really need to get myself booked on a proper trip around Upper Egypt. I also want to visit Siwa Oasis.
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6363 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2414 times:
Horus
No, I flew in on British Med A320 G-MEDE on 10/2. BA6565.
LHR to Alexandria, (Bourg El Arab).
It was African Cup night, (quite a party).
25 Horus: Good to hear you're doing well. Whether you're hot or not is debatable (sorry I couldn't resist). Seriously though an ex-Cairo resident should find o
26 Horus: Bennett123. That was it. I remember you telling me. How did you get from HBE to Alex city centre? Regarding your LHR-HBE flight did most passengers di
27 Pe@rson: I will, Mr Suroh. I keenly await our sheesha. Incidentally, I once had one (a sheesha, that is) with a Zamalek football player.
28 Horus: Hahaha! You're Egyptian through and through...but a Zamalek fan...shame on you. Even though I'm a rugby guy myself I know Ahli are much better. Horus
29 Bennett123: Horus I was on a coach tour with Kuoni. On passing the airport a few days later, I noticed MIG21 8 71, which I had not noticed before. I think that th
30 MSYYZ: A sheesha !!!! Shame on you !!! With a Zamalek football player !!! More shame on you !!! ( Just kidding ) So you succesfully played your role in harm
31 CaptinTuT: I will let you Guess the answer Its been more than 2 years for me since i have been on one Trust me you will love it, its a short trip but you will e
32 Toptravel: It really is music to my ears when I hear people, like yourself, who've enjoyed their time in Egypt. Where abouts are you going in October? Red Sea? C
33 Horus: Remember on the CAI-LXR-CAI Egyptair use the A330 and (sometimes) the B777. If you need any help finding flights or aircraft type feel free to contac
34 Bennett123: I thought that it was unlikely that I would be in Egypt again soon, so do it right. It cost a bit more, but not a time to skimp.
35 Pe@rson: Incidentally, I've found some cheap one-way tickets to Egypt, e.g. £145 incl tax etc with OA via ATH to CAI; £84 incl tax to LXR; etc. Outside Egypt
36 CaptinTuT: that's what i find from Europe there are many charter flights to Egypt which give you the option to fly on one and ignore the legacy airlines. wow so
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