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Bottle Holder In 744 Flight Deck!  
User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

I've got a bottle holder in my Saab, never thought there'd be one in a 747 cockpit!! Or is it for something else and just the flight crew being smart?(!)


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User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

Just about all flight decks have some sort of cup holder. Where did you think they kept their drinks?


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User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 1):
Where did you think they kept their drinks?

Never thought about it, if I was up there I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!


User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 1):
Just about all flight decks have some sort of cup holder. Where did you think they kept their drinks?

Right beside the plastic Jesus on the dashboard.  Wink



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 2):
Never thought about it, if I was up there I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!

 Confused You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2430 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane??

When have you ever had scalding hot coffee on an airplane?

[Edited 2006-07-11 21:23:15]


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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 3):
Right beside the plastic Jesus on the dashboard.

It wouldn't beat the plastic dancing elvis I have been saving for the day  Wink

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 2):
I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!

Two problems here, number 1 having a G&T will get you fired and put in prison and number two is whistling at a stewardess will probably result in a slap - captain or not captain (just kidding  Smile Smile )

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 5):
When have you ever had scalding hot coffee on an airplane?

Depends on the bev maker I guess, or how long we leave the bev pots on the side before starting the service (again I'm joking)  Smile

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6079 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

well they seem to think its ok to eat their lunch from it!  Wink


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 5):
When have you ever had scalding hot coffee on an airplane?

Come to think of it....


Never.  Smile


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

 rotfl 

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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

I thought the larger aircraft has tables that fold out with little cup holders, therefore there was no need for plastic cup holders! I also thought that there was a neat little side compartment to place plastic bottles.

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User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 963 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

Being won a design award for the cup holder in the 777...

Coffee making on airplanes is a problem. You cant get the water temp high enough to brew good coffee. You ever try to boil water at 8000 feet? The water boils long before you get a high enough temp to get the coffee to brew. Thats why the coffee is never hot.

When I was in the Navy, you had to be careful if you had really hot coffee in a thermos... It would boil at altitude (we used to fly at 9000' cabin altitude all the time.) You would open the thermos and it would boil as the pressure in the thermos dropped. Painful if you opened it in your lap.... just another of those things that the pax expect the engineers to solve. "You mean you cant just change physics??"  

[Edited 2006-07-11 21:59:15]

User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 11):
Coffee making on airplanes is a problem. You cant get the water temp high enough to brew good coffee. You ever try to boil water at 8000 feet? The water boils long before you get a high enough temp to get the coffee to brew. Thats why the coffee is never hot.

i thought coffee wasnt meant to be mad with boiling water, but tea was?

i dont drink either so i wouldnt know, thats just what i was told


User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 963 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

That will be one side benefit of the 6000' cabin altitude in the 787, better and hotter coffee.

User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

Juging by the position of the bottle holder it looks like it's for one of the observer seats. And its for bottles not cups if you look at its design (a cup just wouldn't fit). Not to be arsy or anything  Wink

Just saying  Smile

Phil
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User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 10):
I thought the larger aircraft has tables that fold out with little cup holders, therefore there was no need for plastic cup holders! I also thought that there was a neat little side compartment to place plastic bottles.

That's Airbus. I am not trying to bash Boeing here, but Airbus I guess thought a little more about the pilots' comfort (the mentioned table, although this mainly has something to do with the yoke/sidestick isue, the table comes out of the main instrument panel on the Airbus, the smaller side, compartment, seat covers, and so on). I know for sure that the A320, 330 and 340 have the tables and the compartments, never seen them on the older airbus though.
The 747 I think have those side compartments, too, but I don't think they have the tables. At least never seen it...


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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

If you look closely at the hinges on the cup holder, you can tell that it's a "factory" install versus an ad hoc add-on. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing a rearview mirror...


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User currently offlineBWI757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 10):
I thought the larger aircraft has tables that fold out with little cup holders, therefore there was no need for plastic cup holders! I also thought that there was a neat little side compartment to place plastic bottles.

I'll pre-empt Mel aka HAWK21 on this one.

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User currently offlineB6sea From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

If they spilled it and burnt themselves would they sue GateGourmet or the airline???

-Chans


User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5468 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
You didn't know they put cup holders in airplanes?? What? Are they supposed to hold scalding hot coffee while flying the plane?? Or do they just put it down on the center console and hope to God it doesn't spill and short out the controls?

I've heard from a captain that back in the 80's he once spilt Coke in the central console of a B737-200 while in flight between GIG-BSB. The spilt was caused due to unexpected turbulence (the infamous clear sky turbulence). The result of the mess was some fly-bies the control tower of BSB in order to check if the landing gears were down and locked as the poor 737-200 had all its warning lights and situational lights on, because of the short circuit caused by a single glass of Coke!

Also, the flight had a delay of a couple of hours in order to clean the mess and to change some modules of the central console.

Cheers,

JC


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5440 times:

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 2):
Never thought about it, if I was up there I'd whistling up one of the good looking stewardesses to bring me a large gin and tonic!!!

You'd be piloting a B744 for crying out loud! Could you please settle for a small G&T eh?! eh ?! At least till they get the chalks under the beast?! eh?! eh ?!


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5417 times:

Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays.

User currently offlineN600RR From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5408 times:

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Thread starter):
Or is it for something else and just the flight crew being smart?(!)

IINM, that's where the air pump nozzle for the inflatable autopilot is supposed to be. MX probably pulled it for servicing during the A-check noted in the photo comment.  sarcastic  wink 



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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 15):
That's Airbus. I am not trying to bash Boeing here, but Airbus I guess thought a little more about the pilots' comfort (the mentioned table, although this mainly has something to do with the yoke/sidestick isue, the table comes out of the main instrument panel on the Airbus, the smaller side, compartment, seat covers, and so on). I know for sure that the A320, 330 and 340 have the tables and the compartments, never seen them on the older airbus though.
The 747 I think have those side compartments, too, but I don't think they have the tables. At least never seen it...

I'm a big Boeing fan but this is one area where Airbus has it all over Boeing. I've sat in the FO and captain's chairs of the A330 and it's got a fantastic tray table that pulls out from the dashboard in front of you. Due to the sidesticks, there's extra space there for a tray.

Not to mention all the extra room with no control column in the way! I'm 6'7" and were I to be a professional pilot, I would probably want to fly the 'Bus due to the roomy flght deck.



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User currently offlineDrinkstrolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 21):
Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays.

I remember boarding a FR 732 some years ago at DUB and remember seeing the captain having a fag!!!


25 Drinkstrolley : It's a bottle holder, I can understand there being cup holders!!
26 CX flyboy : We don't have a bottle holder in our 744s.....and to be honest it looks a little naff.
27 Sphealey : Just going on what I can see through the windshield while standing in the jetway waiting to board, I am reasonably certain that the cupholder in the R
28 Post contains images USADreamliner : Oh, my!!! Finally the mistery of aviation is uncovered! All my life I thought a monkey was trained to hold the bottles and coffee mugs in the cabin! U
29 GeorgiaAME : Right idea, but wrong airline. This is a KLM aircraft. The size is compatible with a crock of Bols Jonge Geneva. ( I seem to remember a scandal of so
30 Post contains images Polar1 : I do not see the fuzzy dice though...
31 777STL : Not necessarily for a bottle, looks to be the correct size for a thermos, perhaps. I don't think Boeing designed it to hold a bottle of an alcoholic
32 Post contains images HAWK21M : Thats the Typical Cup holder in the Cockpit for the Observer seat. Which Award. Damn.Beat me to it. Although Theoritically they cannot be used The Mon
33 Drinkstrolley : It'd be worth it!!! At the helm of a 744, LG&T and a stewardess on each leg!! Happy Days.............!!!
34 Cedarjet : In 1970, a pre-delivery Pan Am 747-100 was way out over the Pacific on a longhaul shakedown flight and they spilled coffee on the centre console and
35 Post contains images HAWK21M : You'll be surprised Where all Pilots can keep the Cups even if the holder is Present regds MEL
36 MechEngineer : "Some flight stations are even equipped with ashtrays." It's their simple and reliable backup-FMS: "When the coffee leaves the cup, you're flying upsi
37 Post contains images Matt72033 : they should all have ashtrays! like toilets and various other locations through the galley! if someone does decide to spark up they have to have somw
38 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : Are you kidding? It is not because flights are non-smoking for the pax that they are non-smoking in the cockpit. There have been many threads about t
39 Boeing757/767 : I would hope that a $150 million piece of equipment would have a friggin' cup holder.
40 Post contains links and images ETFokker50 : This picture has the same 'bottle holder' but, it also has something else in between (map holder?): View Large View MediumPhoto © Nick de Jonge I
41 Matt72033 : VS have the cockpit door camera monitor on the rear of the centre pedestal with the handset adjacent to it
42 We're Nuts : That's known as the "can", it's where the aircraft's logbook is kept.
43 Post contains images HAWK21M : It was probably kept there for Inspiration regds MEL
44 RC135U : The 1964 movie "Fate is the Hunter" with Glenn Ford is centered around this very issue. A very hokey looking airliner (DC-6 with jets hanging on the
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