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EAS Update At LNS, Air Midwest & RegionsAir Bid  
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Air Midwest and RegionsAir have submitted bids to the DOT to provide subsidized Essential Air Service at Lancaster, PA.

Although normal EAS contracts are for two-year periods, this bid is for the one-year period ending September 30, 2007. LNS is eligible to receive subsidized EAS as a result of provisions in Vision 100 which expire then; under current law, LNS will become ineligible to receive subsidized EAS at that date.

Air Midwest is the incumbent carrier, providing 3x daily Beech 1900D flights to Pittsburgh operated as US Airways Express, for an annual subsidy of $1,611,707.

Air Midwest has submitted two options. Option 1 would continue the status quo, with 3x daily LNS-PIT roundtrips, for an annual subsidy of $1,377,257, a decrease of over $230,000 from their current rate. Option 2 would provide 2x daily LNS-PIT roundtrips for an annual subsidy of $1,033,447. All flights would operate as US Airways Express using the 19-seat Beech 1900D aircraft.

RegionsAir has submitted four options, and has continued their recent practice of pretending to have codeshare agreements that only exist in their minds. While this bid only proposes to operate as Continental Connection, which is at least a codeshare relationship they already have, as opposed to their recent bid for BKW/BLF service to CLT operated as US Airways Express, or their successful (if you can call it that) bid for PKB/MGW/CKB service to CVG operated as Delta Connection, several of their proposals here offer service to EWR as Continental Connection, a market they do not have a codeshare agreement for. It is only at the bottom of page 4 in tiny letters that they note, "This proposal is subject to the approval of Continental Airlines for use of its code at EWR and CLE." Won't matter, though, as they want too much money. Anyway, their Option 1 proposes 2x daily LNS-EWR roundtrips and 1x daily LNS-CLE roundtrip, for an annual subsidy of $1,978,311. Option 2 proposes 2x daily LNS-CLE roundtrips and 1x daily LNS-EWR roundtrip, for an annual subsidy of $2,165,681. Option 3 proposes 2x daily LNS-CLE roundtrips, for an annual subsidy of $1,436,393. Option 4 proposes 3x daily LNS-CLE roundtrips, for an annual subsidy of $2,352,784. All flights would use a Saab 340A aircraft that they don't currently have in their fleet. RegionsAir also claims several times that its proposals "will introduce the community to cabin-class service", which is yet another lie, as LNS was served by cabin-class aircraft for many years in the past.

In reality, the only two options to be seriously considered will be Air Midwest's Option 1, the prohibitive favorite, and RegionsAir's Option 3.


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User currently offlineSierraAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Maybe someone can fill me in but I remember hearing a time back that EWR has a restriction on turboprop aircraft. That's the reason that Continental Express only operates ERJ aircraft from EWR and is also the reason that Continental Connection operates from ALB and BOS...

Brian


User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Why is LNS getting EAS serivce? I guess those 40 miles are to far to drive to MDT? Then 80 miles to one of the top 10 airports in the US (PHL). What a waste. It should be stopped now.

User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Quoting NLINK (Reply 2):
Why is LNS getting EAS serivce? I guess those 40 miles are to far to drive to MDT? Then 80 miles to one of the top 10 airports in the US (PHL). What a waste. It should be stopped now.

Must you complain about EAS every chance you get? We all know by now how much you dislike it. This thread is about who gets the EAS contract, not whether or not LNS deserves one.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting NLINK (Reply 2):
Why is LNS getting EAS serivce? I guess those 40 miles are to far to drive to MDT? Then 80 miles to one of the top 10 airports in the US (PHL). What a waste. It should be stopped now.

Nothing wrong with asking if LNS should get taxpayer subsidized flights. The area must have a senior member of Congress to be able to pull off this waste of money...


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 4):
Nothing wrong with asking if LNS should get taxpayer subsidized flights. The area must have a senior member of Congress to be able to pull off this waste of money...

Not to rain on your little parade, but the rules which determine if a given community is eligible for subsidized EAS are objective and firm. The DOT can not and does not make exceptions, regardless of what anyone in Congress would like.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

I was under the impression that EAS contracts went to any airport that had airline service prior to deregulation. The concern was that once airline service became deregulated, many small communities would lose air service. Following that train of thought, I don't think that it has anything to do with what politicians are where.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 6):
I was under the impression that EAS contracts went to any airport that had airline service prior to deregulation.

That's initially how it was, but now there are two additional conditions. First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub. Second, the EAS subsidy may not be greater than $200 per passenger unless the airport is at least 210 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 6):
Following that train of thought, I don't think that it has anything to do with what politicians are where.

That's absolutely correct.



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User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 3):
Must you complain about EAS every chance you get? We all know by now how much you dislike it. This thread is about who gets the EAS contract, not whether or not LNS deserves one.

Well said. Let LNS try to maintain service!!


User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

Then again, we've had the Mesa B1900 service (USEx to PHL) in the past. If thats all it's gonna be, uh, forget i brought it all up!


User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

More Info:
http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic.../article.jsp?id=7199&siteSection=4

Looks like Lancaster folk are already planning for INTERNATIONAL tourists!


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 9):
If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

What part of "First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub." didn't you understand?

Quoting Vega (Reply 10):
Looks like Lancaster folk are already planning for INTERNATIONAL tourists!

You know, RegionsAir really sucks for getting people's hopes up like that with their make-believe proposals.

(I know there's an Amish joke in here somewhere, but I just can't put my finger on it.)



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User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 9):
If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

What part of "First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub." didn't you understand?

According to Yahoo Maps, Harrisburg is 38.9 miles away. While MDT is not anyone's hub, it does have a significant amount of service. I am surprised they wouldnt consider it close enough so as not to warrant EAS funds.


User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

P.S. A330323X:

You're a sassy one, aren't you?

Quoting A330323X (Reply 11):
What part of "First, to receive subsidized EAS, an airport must be at least 70 driving miles from the nearest medium or large hub." didn't you understand?


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 12):
According to Yahoo Maps, Harrisburg is 38.9 miles away. While MDT is not anyone's hub, it does have a significant amount of service. I am surprised they wouldnt consider it close enough so as not to warrant EAS funds.

Again, it's completely objective; DOT can't subjectively consider anything about MDT or anywhere else.

The term I used "medium or large hub" has a specific definition by the DOT.

A large hub has at least 1% of total domestic enplanements. A medium hub has between .25% and 1% of total domestic enplanements. A small hub has between .05% and .25% of total domestic enplanements. A nonhub has less than .05% of total domestic enplanements.

MDT is a small hub, with .08% of total domestic enplanements in 2000.

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 13):
P.S. A330323X:

You're a sassy one, aren't you?

RegionsAir pisses me off.  Wink



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5558 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 14):
RegionsAir pisses me off.

What about the earlier BFD/JHW proceedings wherein Air Midwest refused to cease service in favor of Colgan? And got away with stonewalling the DOT? Initially I decided it was typical of sleazy old Mesa; later I decided it was pretty clever.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 14):
Again, it's completely objective; DOT can't subjectively consider anything about MDT or anywhere else.

The term I used "medium or large hub" has a specific definition by the DOT.

A large hub has at least 1% of total domestic enplanements. A medium hub has between .25% and 1% of total domestic enplanements. A small hub has between .05% and .25% of total domestic enplanements. A nonhub has less than .05% of total domestic enplanements.

MDT is a small hub, with .08% of total domestic enplanements in 2000.

Thank you for sharing that, I didn't know the exact specifications. Where did you find the percentages for MDT?

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 9):
If a silly place like Lancaster PA can qualify for EAS, why cant we get it here in Bridgeport, CT?

Because according to Google Earth, Bridgeport is 52 driving miles from LGA


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15):
What about the earlier BFD/JHW proceedings wherein Air Midwest refused to cease service in favor of Colgan? And got away with stonewalling the DOT? Initially I decided it was typical of sleazy old Mesa; later I decided it was pretty clever.

It's also not that rare, unfortunately. Great Lakes is doing it to Big Sky at PIR right now. See this docket.

And there's a big difference between trying to game the subsidy system and completely messing up a community's air service because you're not prepared to fulfill your promises.



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User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Congress needs a big overhaul of this program.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5558 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 17):
Great Lakes is doing it to Big Sky at PIR right now.

Interesting reading. Thanks for the tip. I wonder if Great Lakes and United struck some kind of deal to maintain the service.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
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