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Possible To Ride In The Cockpit?  
User currently offlineBowflexBrennan From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

I'm interested in pursuing a career as a pilot. I have already taken a familiarization flight at my local airport, and although that was worth while, I want to experience the real thing. I was wondering if it is possible if an airline would allow me to ride along in the jumpseat on a flight. I reallize that this may not be possible in the post nine-eleven era we live in, but I think it would be a good experience, and would let me know if this is the route I want to take. Even if they don't let me ride along, do you think I might be able to talk to the pilots and see the flight deck before, during, or after the flight?

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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

This has been discussed quite a few times. Long story short, it doesn't happen here in the US. (Some countries allow it apparently.)

If you want to stop by the flight deck after the flight, that is normally a good time for the pilots to chat and show the equipment. Before a flight they are quite busy and normally can't chat much...and the FA's typically want everyone to get into their seats quickly to ensure an on time push back.

Do a search on this subject and you will see a bunch of threads with some really great info.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

You might want to do a search for "jumpseat" and you'll get numerous hits. There was one lengthy thread on the subject just within the last couple of weeks or so...

User currently offlineZbrox From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

I think most airlines follow the rules by the country they fly in.
All European airlines flyring to the US has a strict "locked cock-pit door" policy. But going inside Europe or eastbound is not a problem.
At SK Pilots regularly have friends or family members riding jump seat.
The thing now is for you to get a pilot friend....


User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

I was fortunate enough to be able to do it thru my airline.. it was a ferry flight, so they let me j/s


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User currently offlineTMBishop7 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

I got to go up in the cockpit for about 20 mins enroute SFO-Milan on an Alitalia flt...it's quite the experience, we were in a little cluster of aircraft heading to europe and the pilots were more than happy to have some company in the middle of the night with not a lot to do. I got to do this just a few months before 9/11... so it was probably my first and last time doing that.


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User currently offlineSasA319 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

Also not allowed in the UK, unless on airline work.

User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

I got to do it once on an Aer Lingus A330 JFK-DUB. I was up there for like 2 hours, right up till the approach into DUB. What an amazing experience. However, this was back in like 2000. I got to ride in the jumpseat last summer as a B6 intern, but thats another story.

User currently offlineSkyWest700 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 57 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

It depends on the country and also on the airline. SkyWest will not allow none crew members to fly jumseat, whereas United will allow you to ride jumpseat if you are known to the pilot and have a pilots liscense. The best thing for you would be to find a friend in the training department at one of your home town airlines and get him to take you into the sims. People do that all the time. The good thing about that is you can actually fly the aircraft and not just watch. And the sims are as real as it can get.

User currently offlineT7ILS13LatJFK From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 84 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

I don't think it's going to happen these days with most airlines (while in-flight). On the other hand, as others have been mentioning here, I was fortunate to ride in the deck of a SwissAir Airbus A330, for over an hour, from ZRH to JFK, back in August of 2001. How ironic. This was my first and last visit into a cockpit of a commercial jet during flight (as a passenger) until I become an Airline Pilot.
I actually was wondering myself about CO's policy. Does CO allow visits into the cockpit after the flight?
-MIKE@JFK



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User currently offlineRMD11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Before push back and after landing and parked at the gate its ok.


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User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting BowflexBrennan (Thread starter):
I'm interested in pursuing a career as a pilot. I have already taken a familiarization flight at my local airport, and although that was worth while, I want to experience the real thing.

So you took a familiarization flight, went up in an airplane with an instructor, probably got to handle the controls a bit, and you don't consider that to be "the real thing"? I understand wanting to see an airline flying operation in action, but why insult the hard-working CFIs and part 91 pilots out there by implying that what they do isn't the "real thing"?


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

UA will not let you ride the jumpseat up front. There is this little thing called CASS that all air carriers pilots in the US will be loaded into. It is a computer database that will not even let you get close to the flightdeck to sit in if you are not a member of CASS. Our company just got CASS approved. You have to have more than just a pilots license. You can ask to visit the flightdeck before and after the flight just not during. Remembering everything changed on that fateful day in 2001.



Sean

[Edited 2006-07-12 04:41:11]


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User currently offlineBowflexBrennan From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Don't get me wrong here, I didn't mean it as an insult. In fact, instructors are the most important people in the aviation world, they teach tomorrows pilots how to fly. Now that I look back at my statement, I see how you (or anybody else) found it offensive. I should have worded it differently, because that is not what I meant. I apolagize if I offended anyone.

User currently offlineLospaziale From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5749 times:

Here in Italy it's not that difficult to see the cockpit, especially in domestic flights (I had some experiences with AZ, IG)...
Just try to ask the pilots and sometimes they let you stay in the cockpit during the flight, and if you're lucky you can join them during the landing too.
And in Spain it was the same, mostly in domestic flights only (Spanair, Iberia).
In iternational flights is more difficult.
In the flight westbound to the US, the cockpit door is loocked and there is no possibility to go inside during the flight.



lo spaziale
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
UA will not let you ride the jumpseat up front. There is this little thing called CASS that all air carriers pilots in the US will be loaded into. It is a computer database that will not even let you get close to the flightdeck to sit in if you are not a member of CASS. Our company just got CASS approved. You have to have more than just a pilots license. You can ask to visit the flightdeck before and after the flight just not during. Remembering everything changed on that fateful day in 2001.

Also remember that part 121 Dispatchers are getting into CASS as well. I myself am in the CASS program, and I actually had to pay money to get into CASS. As such, I have ridden up front on UA several times, usually great crews and they take care of you.

I have had some problems on CASS though. I tried using CASS on a Skywest flight recently, and although CASS approved me, the captain still turned me down saying they don't allow other airlines dispatchers up front (Which was later proven false by several sources), and I had a similar problem on American Eagle recently.


The thing thats sad is with these new policies since 9-11, we are giving the terrorists exactly what they want, which was to make our lives more difficult here. Why do we even give into these guys? I don't get it.

One more thing. These threads are getting more annoying than A vs B, NW DC9, and Wright Amendment threads. Why do they keep popping up?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 12):
Remembering everything changed on that fateful day in 2001.

Actually it was not Sept 11th that changed the rules. In the US at least the regulations date back to the mid 1960's.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Ya but I was still able as a kid to go up front during flight on TW and PA. And this was in the 1970's and 1980's. So no it wasn't really the regulations from the 1960's.



Sean



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User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

I was able to visit the flight deck in 2004, on a S2 flight from Goa to Delhi. I was up in the jumpseat from about halfway through the flight all the way to pulling into the gate at Delhi. It was a great experience!

In Feb, flying DXB-SIN-BNE, I visited the flight deck while on the ground in SIN. As there is a crew change in SIN, I saw the new pilots come aboard, and asked if I could have a look. They were really nice and explained everything, and invited me back upon arrival in Brisbane.

flyingKangaroo



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User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5560 times:

Like everyone has said , depends on the country and airline. Here in South Africa it is still possible. Jumpseated a 727 from Livingstone , Zambia to JNB on CE. Great ride , from departure to arrival back in December 2004. Still possible now on CE though , if you know some people  Smile

-SA006



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User currently offlineCaptainjon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Quoting T7ILS13LatJFK (Reply 9):
I actually was wondering myself about CO's policy. Does CO allow visits into the cockpit after the flight?

Yes. After I flew from EWR to LAX, I asked the pilot if I can take a picture of the flight deck. He said sure. Then asked if I wanted to sit and he will take a picture of me. It isnt that great of quality, he even retook it, and was very friendly. I did this last February too.



User currently offlineFlyinHigh From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting Zbrox (Reply 3):
All European airlines flyring to the US has a strict "locked cock-pit door" policy.



Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 7):
I got to do it once on an Aer Lingus A330 JFK-DUB. I was up there for like 2 hours, right up till the approach into DUB. What an amazing experience. However, this was back in like 2000.

I flew EI July 10(2 days ago) EI105 DUB-JFK and a man who was sitting behind me spent at least 10 minutes in the cockpit.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

As always it is a country by country decision as to what their rules are.



Sean



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5349 times:
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Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
You might want to do a search for "jumpseat" and you'll get numerous hits. There was one lengthy thread on the subject just within the last couple of weeks or so...

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Welcome to Anet! I'd suggest going to your local airpark and dorking around there. I discovered almost 10 years ago I wanted to fly and got ride from people at the local airport. Those dot-com millonaires love to show off their toys! My current local airport I fly out of, Spicewood (88R), near AUS is home to at least 20 current and retired commercial pilots (AA CO TW NW Eastern, and Braniff). Not a shortage of aircraft to fly or dumb questions to ask the guys.

Good luck on your decisions!  bouncy 


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Quoting BowflexBrennan (Thread starter):
want to experience the real thing. I was wondering if it is possible if an airline would allow me to ride along in the jumpseat on a flight.

No! Get back to your seat RIGHT Now and buckle up or the next flight you're going to take will be nonstop to GAO (look it up!)

Sorry! Couldnt resist  Smile


25 Post contains images Speedbird203 : I was flying from London Heathrow to Detroit and wanted to see inside the flight deck, i did not ask before departure and knew i had no chance in flig
26 Post contains images BowflexBrennan : Funny, I like your sense of humour; Guantanamo, Cuba
27 Post contains links Bravo45 : PIA pilots usually allow passengers into the cockpit, not only just captain's relatives and friends, even if don't know anyone from the airline and yo
28 HAWK21M : It would epend on Company policy.In Flight Visit might be tough.Much easier post flight. regds MEL
29 T7ILS13LatJFK : Oh wow. I'm so glad that somebody has finally confirmed this BEFORE my flight. I appreciate it CaptainJon.
30 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Funny thing is - I'm not sure if GAO is actually the airport that the US mililary uses or if its its the civilian airport on the Cuban side! But back
31 SCXmechanic : Really? This is news to me... I was in the jumpseat of a BA 777 half way across the North Atlantic and only left my seat once we were at the gate at
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