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Qatar: Reaffirms A350, A380 Delay, Adds Lagos  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

In an interview with Mr. Akbar Al-Baker, Al-Baker announced:
a. Late A380's delieveries from Nov. 2009 (which is not big deal, since Airbus will compensate for the tardy)
b. Expects A350's to be added in 2013 onwards (instead of the initial 2010)
c. Refused to comment on the 777 purchase (an expected announcement in the English Airshow)
d. Expansion slowdown as a result of unexpected recent aircraft shortages.

All this is the summary of the article here:

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Dis...ile=Business_News2006071292331.xml

and here:

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...sion=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16

Thanks.


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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

With the A350 looking as if it is going to be frozen as it is (and Airbus adding a larger A370 plane to their product line in parallel over the next year), it sounds QR is going to firm its order for 60 A350s at Farnborough too...

If so, Airbus is probably holding back on more than 100 order announcements for next week!


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5052 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 1):
With the A350 looking as if it is going to be frozen as it is

Where'd you hear that? This seems to indicate the opposite! (i.e. service entry in 2013 iso 2010)


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 2):
This seems to indicate the opposite! (i.e. service entry in 2013 iso 2010

Yes indeed, that wouldn't make sense, unless the A350 will be redone too.

Will definitely be interesting to watch the daily press conferences from Airbus to see who walks through the door with John Leahy!


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10251 posts, RR: 97
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5293 times:
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Quoting Slz396 (Reply 1):
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 1):
With the A350 looking as if it is going to be frozen as it is

Where'd you hear that? This seems to indicate the opposite! (i.e. service entry in 2013 iso 2010)

Either way, such a pronouncement has to be considered VERY welcome news for Airbus at this time  checkmark 

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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 3):
Will definitely be interesting to watch the daily press conferences from Airbus to see who walks through the door with John Leahy

One wonders whether Mr. Leahy and Mr. Al-Baker will be walking down the aisle waiving a signed contract, or this remains a a common law marriage (LOI/MOU).

The only guy Mr. Leahy really needs to walk through the door with at Farnborough is Mr. Udvar-Hazy. Otherwise, he's still in deep doo-doo.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):

The only guy Mr. Leahy really needs to walk through the door with at Farnborough is Mr. Udvar-Hazy. Otherwise, he's still in deep doo-doo.

For months the comments from Mr. Al Baker regarding the A350 (yes the negative ones) have been highlighted on these forums. Now it looks he has changed his tone, back in favor of Airbus, all of a sudden it's deemed irrelevant what he says?

As for Mr Udvar-Hazy, he has yet to cancel his first A350.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 1):
If so, Airbus is probably holding back on more than 100 order announcements for next week!

It certainly looks like it. There's atleast 30 we know of so far, others include Easyjet (up tp 30 A320's), Air Madrid (15 A350's, if relaunched, might just be a commitment at first), Lufthansa (for narrowbodies and perhaps additional A380's) and Jet Airways (firming up options for the A330). Apart from those there are nearly 200 other commitments that potentially could be firmed up (TAM for 37 aircraft comes to mind) an many more RFP out to airlines, such as Etihad, Gulf Air, Elal, Aeroflot, Emirates etc., obviously in competition with Boeing.

Now I guess I'll get attacked for being an optimist.  Wink



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4988 times:
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Quoting Scorpio (Reply 2):
(i.e. service entry in 2013 iso 2010)

I was of the understanding that this was a point of contention to Mr Akbar Al-Baker. It was previously reported that he was comfortable with an 18 month delay for the A350 but this now seems to indicate a 2 to 3 year delay. Surely this must have some influence on his decision OTOH perhaps he is happy with what he see's and if they do see the 777 as an interim solution it may well explain why they passed on the 772F in favour of PAX models to meet their capacity and expansion plans until the A350 enters service.

Anyway it's pleasing to see that he is more receptive to Airbus than when the news first broke about the A350 delays as evidenced below;

``We're not going to wait forever,'' Qatar Chief Executive Akbar Al Baker said today in an interview at the International Air Transport Association meeting in Paris. ``If things don't happen in the timeframe we want to happen, then of course we'll look somewhere else.''

``They've changed the rules of the game,'' Al Baker said, referring to Airbus. ``They now want to build a bigger airplane, with a larger capacity, a bigger cross section and they've not yet submitted to us or given us the proposal on what this airplane will do or when it will be delivered.'' The executive said waiting several years more than expected for Airbus's aircraft would interrupt its expansion plans.

``We as an airline have a business plan. We need to grow. And when there are delays in deliveries, we have to then rethink our fleet strategy. If they don't have their game in order, then it is their problem.''


[END - Source http://www.bloomberg.com ]

Given QR were the cornerstone launch customer for the A350 it would appear that from his recent comments both Airbus and QR have made progress despite his initial response. If so, it is testament to Airbus that they have been working behind the scenes to ensure existing A350 customers have not been forgotten despite whatever noise we hear in relation to management issues.

I'd like to see QR go ahead with their original MoUs anounced at Le Bourget in 2005 come Farnborough.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10251 posts, RR: 97
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4956 times:
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Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 7):
If so, it is testament to Airbus that they have been working behind the scenes to ensure existing A350 customers have not been forgotten despite whatever noise we hear in relation to management issues.

One can only assume that a MONUMENTAL amount of work has been going on behind the scenes with Airbus's potential A350 (and A380) customers.
I would imagine that Leahy and sleep are only distantly acquainted...  Smile

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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
Now I guess I'll get attacked for being an optimist.

You only get attacked if you are optimistic towards Airbus - should you display the same attitude towards Boeing ,it is just normal....
Joke aside -I share your assessment for Farnborough and anticipate a much better than expected week in England for the European team.
There are no leaks from the new management regarding orders but they-as usual-keep those for the daily press-conferences.
Potential new customers for the A330 /A350 range would also include LTU airlines from Germany -they currently have an all-Airbus fleet of 26 aircraft,including 11 A330's.
Recently they intruduced new daily flights from Munich to Bangkok and -within the newt months,will certainly consider adding new aircraft.
The MUC-BKG flights are in addition to their daily DUS-BKG flight..



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
Now it looks he has changed his tone, back in favor of Airbus, all of a sudden it's deemed irrelevant what he says?

Who said it was irrelevant? However, whether he signs on the dotted line or he serves-up yet another plate of swiss-cheese at Farnborough will be what's significant. Another "definite maybe" from Mr. Al-Baker, who has now established a track record of being a fickle fiancee, probably won't carry much weight.

Any way you slice it, Mr. Udvar-Hazy remains the man in the catbird seat.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 10):
Who said it was irrelevant?

I'm asking you, hence the question mark.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 10):
Any way you slice it, Mr. Udvar-Hazy remains the man in the catbird seat.



Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
As for Mr Udvar-Hazy, he has yet to cancel his first A350.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4740 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 8):
I would imagine that Leahy and sleep are only distantly acquainted...

 checkmark 

Of all the executives at Airbus he is the one who has had to lock in the sales to ensure a good second half! Over the past 3 months Airbus have averaged just 9 firm orders per month. Mr Leahy has been quiet, an Airshow is around the corner and no matter what the media says one knows that Mr Leahy will not fail to deliver  Wink

Manni, you posted when I posted so I did not see your post but here's some opinions of mine in response to some of the carriers you mention which may order;

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
Gulf Air,

Mr Hogan leaving, amongst other reasons, may influence the timing of this order and even though finance is in place we may not see GF announce at Farnborough

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
Elal,

I doubt it, too much Fiscal and Political pressure despite them now being a public company

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
Aeroflot

Not likely given that this one is driven by Politics and what Mr Putin says goes. Last heard from SU was that they may have to lease given how protracted the process has become.

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
Emirates

EK are up there as a candidate for an A380 add-on order though if QR don't take any of the A346-HGWs it may be more of a order conversion IMO. I do not see them making a decision on the A350/370 at this point in time.

I concur with your assessment on Easyjet, LH and to a lesser extent Air Madrid and as you have previously pointed out in another thread GoAir look set to increase their original commitment for the A320 from 10 to 20 and I feel Airbus will formally acknowledge JJs order for 31 x A32X and 6 x A332. 9W will take a little longer though and we should see that firmed in late Q3 early Q4.

Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
Now I guess I'll get attacked for being an optimist.

Not from I sir. My comments are meant in the spirit of discussion on a topic I like and I hope that they are construed in such a manner.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 12):

Not from I sir. My comments are meant in the spirit of discussion on a topic I like and I hope that they are construed in such a manner.

Most definitely PanAm_DC10, thanks for sharing your views on these airlines and their readyness to order, or not.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 9):
I share your assessment for Farnborough and anticipate a much better than expected week in England for the European team.

In another article Enders has hinted that Airbus might get back ahead of Boeing or atleast catch up.

http://www.todayonline.com/articles/130129.asp



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7691 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

A new day, yesterday we had a thread which persons expressed the view that Airbus would not be making any major announcements or a/c launches due to the management shakeup and the need to "get it right", amazing how opinions on a.net change in 24 hours.

On to the thread started, this proves why Airbus will rule at the end of the year in terms of sales and why Boeing will always be fighting uphill.
Here we have an airline QR who had / have expansion plans, however, what Boeing supporters failed to grasp is that those expansion plans are ultimately tied to Airbus, how else can you explain them delaying their expansion plans to wait for Airbus a/c to become available 3 - 5 years later?

I'm certain we have Airbus and Boeing experts who will debate the merits of cost savings by delaying your expansion rather that getting a/c from another manufacturer due to "commonolity savings"

I'll admit to being totally confused - does not take much to do that -, but its does re-affirm to me that in the end, despite what all the experts on this site say, its all about politics, politics, politics. Whatever financial losses QR take with the delay will be made up later when no one is looking, at the end of the decade if the books balance, no problem. Kudos to the Airbus bean counters on this one.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 11):
Quoting Manni (Reply 6):
As for Mr Udvar-Hazy, he has yet to cancel his first A350

Mr. Udvar-Hazy dropped the dime on the A350 at ISTAT in March which began the "re-think revolution," and he issued another admonition last month that if a suitable "re-think" wasn't forthcoming by Farnborough the cancellation would be made. The fact that he hasn't cancelled whatever obligation remains at this point from the first two orders for the "old all-new A350" as yet, is what's irrelevant.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 15):
and he issued another admonition last month that if a suitable "re-think" wasn't forthcoming by Farnborough the cancellation would be made.

We'll find out soon enough then, Farnborough is only 5 days away now.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

For some reason I see QR as a all airbus carrier. The 777's will be great for QR but it's seem strange that they would only go with one Boeing type. The A340 is not a competitor to the B777 IMO, but the A346HGW would of fit right into QR's needs and would of been better commonality wise.

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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4482 times:

has there been a press release on Farnbourough press conference schedule for Airbus? or will it be a surprise?


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 8):
I would imagine that Leahy and sleep are only distantly acquainted...

Perhaps, Mr. Leahy isn't the right person for fence-mending missions as disgruntled customers may well have had a belly-full of his shtick at this point...he could be on the sidelines.


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4217 posts, RR: 89
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
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Quoting Manni (Reply 13):
In another article Enders has hinted that Airbus might get back ahead of Boeing or atleast catch up.

Of that there should be no doubt IMHO. Many look at the first half sales figures and assume that will be the picture at year end. Airbus have, in the past, saved orders for Airshows which are usually mid-year. Consequently it is only natural that they book most of their orders in the second half of the year and equilibrium returns closer to year end as evidenced by the 2005 sales figures.

There are media reports already writing off Airbus which we saw last year too but this year I feel that the numbers will be a lot more closer come year end. Of note the conservative Mr McNerney is talking of a protracted order cycle by comparision to previous cycles. This is in response to a rebound in their core U.S. market and he specifically mentions Legacy carriers. I see no reason why as to why this should not apply to European carriers too, the more so given their strong fiscal positions.

One carrier not mentioned is IB whom I feel may be ready to order in the not too distant future.

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 18):
has there been a press release on Farnbourough press conference schedule for Airbus?

Here is a link to the Press releases for Farnborough;

http://www.farnborough.com/files/new...ngs%20Active%20220606%20latest.pdf

Even though Boeing have more I feel that some will be program updates rather than orders. QR are scheduled for an order announcement on the 17th at 13.00, that said, there is plenty of room for Airbus to schedule order announcements or we may see their customers not actually announce at the show but schedule announcements to co-incide with the show from wherever the client maybe based.

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