PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4238 posts, RR: 88 Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8201 times:
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Tokyo, Japan, July 12, 2006 - (JCN Newswire) - The ANA Board of Directors today decided that the company will sell six aircraft from its fleet of 23 Boeing 747-400 jumbo jets to Avion Aircraft Trading of Iceland commencing next year. This aircraft is the largest of the ANA fleet and is used on both domestic and international routes, carrying up to 569 passengers in a domestic configuration. It entered service with ANA in 1990.
ANA's current mid-term corporate strategy for the fiscal years 2006 - 2009 (April 1, 2006 - March 31, 2010) encompasses the introduction of newer and more economical aircraft, such as the 737-700 series and 787, to secure better cost performance and raise ANA's competitive edge. The retirement of the 747-400 fleet is also part of the strategy, and will commence from 2007 at the rate of two aircraft per year.
The first 6 to go will be as follows;
Seems like they are going the same way as JAL and intend to operate smaller aircraft. Interesting they have not signed up for the 747BCF program and have instead opted for the 767BCF which they recently launched.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3600 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8084 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): Seems like they are going the same way as JAL and intend to operate smaller aircraft. Interesting they have not signed up for the 747BCF program and have instead opted for the 767BCF which they recently launched.
I think it is actually the other way around. NH started first and JL followed. NH stated that they want to go with smaller aircraft. Much of the Asian regional flights are flown with 737s and 767s now. The largest aircraft in NH's fleet will be the 777-300 in short time. Much of the fleet will be medium sized and be able to do capacity and frequency in the region as well as on long-haul. It will be exciting.
Future NH fleet will be
737-900 (I think)
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
TokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7745 times:
ANA cannot ignore the economics and the saving it can attain by getting rid of the a relatively expensive B744s that are no longer new. Sure, ANA may lose about 40 economy class seats by downgrading the cities that are served by B744 to B773 for both domestic and international but I hear the cargo capacity on the B773 are respectable. The passenger capacity on B773 is plenty for the most of the cities ANA currently serve. In domestic configuration, the B773 carries over 500 passengers. The cost saving of streamlining the fleet with efficient common aircraft is just enormous. JAL will follow the same trend.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 32240 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7413 times:
Quoting Pavlin (Reply 6): The A380 for domestic use with 853 passenger could be a hit.
It is looking like NH and JL just don't need that kind of capacity anymore. Between the expansion of the shinkansen train system and the sheer amount of time it would take to load and unload an 853-seat A380, it's probably faste to "next time, take the train".
Ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6574 times:
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 15): KZ and NH are not own by the same party? If not then NH's cargo fleet is small
Well, BoeingFever777. In the beginning, NCA was invested heavily upon by NH. But it was never completely owned by NH. But NH did a lot of investment by giving them their retired classic jumbos, with the pilots flying them. Now, NCA is trying to become an independent company and are trying to build their own hangar at NRT.
NH indeed has a very small cargo fleet, but I think you can see it expand shortly.
BTW, there was a special corner for KZ in the aviation magazine of Japan this week. Its interesting. They are acquiring so many 747-400 and of course the B747-800. Once they do that, their fleet would be on average, 6 years!!! And in contrary to things that I've read on other forums, KZ wants to eliminate stop-overs in ANC to Europe (at least). They think that it would save money. On the other hand, I've read that the ANC stop makes cargo very profitable. Is it only me that's confused?
True which would explain why NH recently launched the 767BCF program. As 787s come online they should convert some of their 767BCF options into firm conversions. Interestingly they have recently set up a joint cargo venture with Japan Post, amongst others, I feel that they may need more than just converted 767s to fullfill this requirement over the long term. Just a thought.