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User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Why have Cubana not yet switched to Western made aircraft, and if not, when would they?

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User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

In a way, they have. I don't know if it's still the case, but when I flew MEX-HAV in 2003, it was on a wet-leased TA 320. As for buying their own, the economic embargo means they wouldn't be buying from the US, so it would have to be Airbus (or a used Boeing?). My guess is that they just don't have the money for it.

User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

They will surely buy some Airbuses.

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Quoting Azza40 (Thread starter):
Why have Cubana not yet switched to Western made aircraft, and if not, when would they?

US Economic embargo. That also means in a way that they cannot obtain aircraft from neither Boeing or Airbus due to the American parts in them. The only way they can use Western equipment is through wetleases, like with those Irish registered TA A320s (which have a EI-TA* format) or through other means like the Hola Airlines 735 they wetleased.

The CU case could be compared a bit with IR or other airlines in Iran, which are also banned from buying anything with US components in them, however they do acquire aircraft second hand, like some Fokkers and A300s. I don't know if it is the same as with Cuba though.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
the Hola Airlines 735 they wetleased

733...

Actually they are operating 752 wet-leased from Hola Airlines too.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 4):
733...

Thanks for the correction. I shouldn't have forgotten this though, because I already saw that aircraft at SJO a week and a half ago.  

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 4):
Actually they are operating 752 wet-leased from Hola Airlines too.

I didn't know that, but I recall in a topic I made, where somebody said that they were due to recall (at least) that 737 back to Spain for the Summer season.

[Edited 2006-07-12 22:21:11]

User currently offlineLijnden From Netherlands, joined Apr 2003, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2053 times:
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In the DC-8 era (60's and 70's) they leased DC-8's from Air Canada (Trans Canada?). In the 80's the IL62 was the plane. In the 90's DC-10's were flying to major cities in Europe, Canada and South America. Funny how Fidel Castro survived so far 9 different US presidents, the fall of the Iron Curtain and many economical sanctions! He must one of the longest man in power now. I guess there is more to these cigars...


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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Didn't they just order or receicve some new IL96s?


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 10):
Didn't they just order or receicve some new IL96s?

Yes, they did, but at least one of those is a VIP aircraft which can be pulled from service whenever Castro needs it to fly somewhere. And I guess they were ordered to replace the IL-62, which is pretty much banned from flying in many countries due to noise regulations. That's also a reason why CU wetleases equipment.


User currently offlineTiburones27 From Venezuela, joined Jul 2006, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

They bought two IL-96, one of them for Castro and the other one for passenger purposes....both of them were financiated by his "buddy" Hugo Chavez....

User currently offlineAAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

The reality is that short of creative leasing agreements with neutral or Castro-friendly nations such as Venezuela, or companies such as TACA, Cubana is in a straight-jacket since their former Soviet aircraft suppliers cannot meet its needs or, put more precisely, its potential.

With American Eagle and other US carriers flying to multiple Cuban destinations on a daily basis, there is a surreal aspect to the situation currently. It is in Cubana's interest that relations somehow normalize someday soon, with vision and rational thinking on both sides.

Boeing and/or Airbus equipment would probably appear on Cubana flightlines within five minutes or so of normalization of relations, although either might insist upon cash in advance from the Cuban government if Cubana remains state controlled following the transition that normalization might bring.

The Pan Am-founded Cubana de Aviacion could really benefit from a rational Boeing fleet mix of 767-757-737 aircraft, or Airbus 330-320 family aircraft, and, certainly, Bombardier or Embraer RJ and turboprops for local services. I suspect that the success enjoyed by hard working Cubans in Florida free to achieve their potential can be acheived by Cubana personnel free to compete and win business with their traditional warmth and hospitality.

Meanwhile, everyone loses, especially Cubana, so close but so far from passengers in Miami and New York, where they once flew very competitively with Lockheed Constellations, no less.


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