Pgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
In a way, they have. I don't know if it's still the case, but when I flew MEX-HAV in 2003, it was on a wet-leased TA 320. As for buying their own, the economic embargo means they wouldn't be buying from the US, so it would have to be Airbus (or a used Boeing?). My guess is that they just don't have the money for it.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
Quoting Azza40 (Thread starter): Why have Cubana not yet switched to Western made aircraft, and if not, when would they?
US Economic embargo. That also means in a way that they cannot obtain aircraft from neither Boeing or Airbus due to the American parts in them. The only way they can use Western equipment is through wetleases, like with those Irish registered TA A320s (which have a EI-TA* format) or through other means like the Hola Airlines 735 they wetleased.
The CU case could be compared a bit with IR or other airlines in Iran, which are also banned from buying anything with US components in them, however they do acquire aircraft second hand, like some Fokkers and A300s. I don't know if it is the same as with Cuba though.
Lijnden From Philippines, joined Apr 2003, 564 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
In the DC-8 era (60's and 70's) they leased DC-8's from Air Canada (Trans Canada?). In the 80's the IL62 was the plane. In the 90's DC-10's were flying to major cities in Europe, Canada and South America. Funny how Fidel Castro survived so far 9 different US presidents, the fall of the Iron Curtain and many economical sanctions! He must one of the longest man in power now. I guess there is more to these cigars...
Yes, they did, but at least one of those is a VIP aircraft which can be pulled from service whenever Castro needs it to fly somewhere. And I guess they were ordered to replace the IL-62, which is pretty much banned from flying in many countries due to noise regulations. That's also a reason why CU wetleases equipment.
AAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1737 times:
The reality is that short of creative leasing agreements with neutral or Castro-friendly nations such as Venezuela, or companies such as TACA, Cubana is in a straight-jacket since their former Soviet aircraft suppliers cannot meet its needs or, put more precisely, its potential.
With American Eagle and other US carriers flying to multiple Cuban destinations on a daily basis, there is a surreal aspect to the situation currently. It is in Cubana's interest that relations somehow normalize someday soon, with vision and rational thinking on both sides.
Boeing and/or Airbus equipment would probably appear on Cubana flightlines within five minutes or so of normalization of relations, although either might insist upon cash in advance from the Cuban government if Cubana remains state controlled following the transition that normalization might bring.
The Pan Am-founded Cubana de Aviacion could really benefit from a rational Boeing fleet mix of 767-757-737 aircraft, or Airbus 330-320 family aircraft, and, certainly, Bombardier or Embraer RJ and turboprops for local services. I suspect that the success enjoyed by hard working Cubans in Florida free to achieve their potential can be acheived by Cubana personnel free to compete and win business with their traditional warmth and hospitality.
Meanwhile, everyone loses, especially Cubana, so close but so far from passengers in Miami and New York, where they once flew very competitively with Lockheed Constellations, no less.