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How Is Ryanair So Cheap?  
User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

I was looking at fares on Ryan Air within the EU. How are they so cheap. They make WN look expensive. Really they are like only $50 bucks FRALON

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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

One of their methods is to charge a few passengers on each flight a huge amount of money and then charging the other passengers very little. So most of the tickets are subsidised that way.

Dominic



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7393 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

They strip their aircraft to a minimum - for example no window shades - saving capital cost and weight.

They operate to and from low cost airports so that for them 'Frankfurt' is not FRA but Hahn.

There customer service is intentionally low - 'what do you expect for $50'. So, for example, if an aircraft goes tech and your flight is cancelled you can either have a full refund for your ticket or wait and use it on the next available flight with space, even if it is three or four days later (at your cost of course).

Finding an expensive FR ticket is difficult but possible. Paying more to get from the start of your journey to your planned destination is much easier if their low cost airport is in the wrong place for you. You might end up paying more for ground transportation at both ends of your journey that the total cost of a journey on a legacy carrier. But you might also save a hell of a lot.

Really it is just a case of 'buyer beware' and to make sure you have read their terms and conditions and that they suit you.


User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8878 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
Finding an expensive FR ticket

And that is what I found in March going to Norway. I ended up going BMI & British Airways as they were cheaper than Ryanair. I'm never putting my butt on a Ryanair machine again.



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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 1):
One of their methods is to charge a few passengers on each flight a huge amount of money and then charging the other passengers very little. So most of the tickets are subsidised that way.

Why would these passengers pay a huge amount of money to fly on Ryanair?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 4):
Why would these passengers pay a huge amount of money to fly on Ryanair?

For the same reason people pay more to fly on Southwest when other airlines might be cheaper. The well-established illusion that they'll be the cheapest in the market independent of any other factors.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 4):
Why would these passengers pay a huge amount of money to fly on Ryanair?

1 - Desperate to fly

2 - Stupid

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User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8772 times:

Also you don't have standard features anymore. No window blinds, reclining seats or seat pockets. If you just want to get from A to B as cheap as possible then they are great. For me going on holiday the 2 airports I flew between were far more better than if I had to travel between to larger airports.
Only going by what I have seen on airline USA Ryanair does have a lower customer service standard. No inflight games or vouchers if your flight is late or cancelled etc.



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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1427 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8603 times:

How is Ryan Air so Cheap?

Econometrics.economics....hardcore econmist have figured out what exactly to charge for a ticket in different levels and minimize the cost of flying. They have worked out the variables of how many people will by the 1euro fare and the 100euro fare and so on. And they still make huge revenes. Just with like any promotion suhc as a 2 for 1 deal, there is econmics behind it and most variables/risks have been studied so that they dont suffer a loss they cannot handle. But still sometimes this fail



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 3):
And that is what I found in March going to Norway. I ended up going BMI & British Airways as they were cheaper than Ryanair. I'm never putting my butt on a Ryanair machine again.

How has FR wronged you? I mean, if a specific fare between two specific destinations doesn't suit you, be my guest and don't fly, but don't be so categoric about it.

I flew them EIN-STN-EIN four years ago and was perfectly happy with the fare and the locations of the airports. Just make sure you're up to date on fares of competitors and you know where the airport is exactly.



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

Quoting BMED (Reply 7):
No window blinds,reclining seats or seat pockets.



Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
for example no window shades

I was on EI-DLM, one of their newest aircraft, last night (or rather, this morning) and it had window blinds. EI-CSG, one of their older aircraft, had window blinds, reclining seats and pockets.

Personally, i love Ryanair and have never had a problem with them. Yesterday, our flight from Rome to Stansted was delayed by 3 hours, a problem if you have no patience whatsoever, but it could have been a whole lot worse. CIA closes at midnight, and by the time we were ready to go, it was 12:05am. So while we were preparing ourselves for another 6 hours in the departure lounge, the crew were working their butts off to try and get the local authorities to allow us to depart, and they did, and we departed at 12:20am. And if it wasn't for Ryanair, i wouldn't have even been in Rome yesterday, because even though we booked just 12 days in advance, our flights were half the price of easyJet, and about a fifth of the price of BA.

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 1):
One of their methods is to charge a few passengers on each flight a huge amount of money and then charging the other passengers very little. So most of the tickets are subsidised that way.

True, but this is similar everywhere in aviation. For example, i paid £120 back in january for my flights to Malaga on BA next week, but if i'd bought them now, i'd be paying £657.75

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
For the same reason people pay more to fly on Southwest when other airlines might be cheaper. The well-established illusion that they'll be the cheapest in the market independent of any other factors.

Of which they usually are. If a flight from Stansted to Hahn was £230 return on Ryanair the day before departure, chances are BA to Frankfurt would be a whole lot more. It's all relative.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
They operate to and from low cost airports so that for them 'Frankfurt' is not FRA but Hahn.

And in some cases, these airports are more convenint. CIA is closer to Rome than FCO, and is also cheaper to get to. Also you have to think about it both ways - an airport further from the city centre would be a lot more convenient for those living further from the city centre. I remember a news report a while back about how people in Rodez were over the moon to finally have a commercial service, so they didn't have to trek to Montpellier or Toulouse. Not everybody lives in the city centre, so flying to these airports can have its up sides as well as its downs.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

Hear hear, Planesarecool.

It is, as you said, all relative, just like everything in life. Which is why some people prefer Tesco Value beans to Heinz'.

If Ryanair is so bad, why is it so profitable? 'Nuff said. Moreover, and equally importantly, its profit, yields and loads are increasing, while its costs would, but for the absurd fuel costs, be decreasing every year (by 5-6%).



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

You also have to remember that Ryanair has a lot of deals in place with many of the airports they fly to - particularly local authority-owned ones. In effect they are paid a rate for each passenger they fly into the airport. This may mean that the airport itself makes a loss on having Ryanair operating at their airport, due to paying more out than they receive in charges and fees, but to the owning local authority, the benefit to the local economy of Ryanir bringing in passengers/tourists to an otherwise backwater airport far outweighs what they pay out to the airline.

I've done work with a number of airports where the figures show the cost of the FR services to the airport, and it is far greater than the revenues bought in.

Of course in a non-local authority owned airport where the airport is expected to make a profit, this is less likely to happen. But there are still some airports such as CIA where FR agreed a fee for every passenger they brought in (under what was termed a "marketing" agreement). This figure per passegner then rose dramatically if they went over a certain number of passengers per year. So it was worth FR selling tickets at rock bottom prices as the money they would receive from the airport authority for the extra passengers would far outwiegh anything they might have made selling the tickets at a more realistic market value.

This is by no means the only way FR makes money - as many of the reasons posted above highlight. But it is an often forgotten reason as to why FR tickets are sometimes offered so cheaply.



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
Finding an expensive FR ticket is difficult but possible.

STN-KRK any date or time you care to chose... (Compare to BA/LO etc)

however

STN-RZE (only 2 hours by train away from KRK) you can get a return for less than £50 in taxes.

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 4):
Why would these passengers pay a huge amount of money to fly on Ryanair?

Often they find a Niche route no one else flies, or a route with high demand and give the route desirable flight times.

Again, see any Polish route.

If you live anywhere in Poland (A country twice the size of the UK) and want to fly to the UK.. you have Ryanair or No choice but to connect in some european city ( or WAW / KRK).

When 90000 poles a month fly to / from the UK.. and Ryanair flies to 9 cities in Poland you can see why Ryanair is printing it's own money.

They are the only airline in Poland offering a decent non-WAW / KRK service.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 12):
In effect they are paid a rate for each passenger they fly into the airport

This is why RZE is £50 a return inc Taxes, and KRK is £200 ret inc taxes.
KRK is not subsidized, but flight times meets the burgeoning demand for 2 flights a day.




The secret to Ryanair is quite simple:

1. Find 2 remote cities with a poor airline service (which pretty much only goes to a capital city hub) and large population.
Ask the two local governments for £2-3mn a year in return for a guarenteed number of passengers

Open a route between them at a low cost and what ever flight times suit your schedule

2. Find a city pair with a large number of passengers commuting between, and has at least two airports. Open a service at desirable flight times to fill the seats.


Then fly the plane at good times between the City Pair, and at afternoon / early mornings between the subsidized pair.



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User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
There customer service is intentionally low - 'what do you expect for $50'

Who gives a crap about that. If you are looking at good stewardesses try Alitalia or Lauda Air. Definitly not Adria airways.


The fact is the plane (ryanair) is the cheapest option to go to London. If you take the train it will last 2 days and cost 4-7X more.

And ryanair uses 738 instead of smaller craft that lcc normally use.

Ryanair rules.


User currently offlineProvance From Ireland, joined May 2006, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8028 times:

also cabin crew are paid per sector, and not paid for delays etc - this combine with their aggressive inflight sales all result in additional revenue for FR.


Also, they make money out of passenger checking in their luggage



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 13):
STN-KRK any date or time you care to chose

Hmm. I flew FR STN-KRK during May. I paid about £16 one-way - including taxes, fees and for my bag. Evidently, very expensive indeed. What was more, GDN-STN was even less.

There are many routes on which FR seems to charge a lot, even from the outset. These include: STN-XRY; STN-RIX; STN-SVQ; STN-GRX; STN-GRO; STN-TMP; and STN-KRK. But great deals are to be found, particularly in off-peak periods, subject to sufficient flexibility and foresight.

But from the airline's point-of-view these higher fare are great - so long as people pay it in sufficient numbers, which they seem to do, in view of increasing frequencies. So, good for them.

[Edited 2006-07-13 17:14:32]


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User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

Try booking a ryanair ticket for tomorrow.
Bingo
Thats how they make their money
Another trick - baggage. Ferociously expensive.


User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

It will be interesting to see if Ryanair eventually drive BA out of the European and Domestic market place. How can BA ever compete with Ryanair?

Quote from ATW:

Ryanair maintained it's position as Europe's largest low-fare carrier and the continent's most profitable airline in terms of margins. It carried just under 35 million passengers in the financial year ended March 31 on 333 routes across 23 European countries, a 27% increase on the prior year when it carried 27 million passengers. It reported a net profit of Euro 306.7 for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2006, up 9.5%, on a 28% gain in revenues to Euro 1.69 billion. The after-tax margin was an impressive 28%.
To live up to it's ambitions of doubling in size to more than 70 million yearly passengers by 2012, the LCC continues it's agressive expansion.
In March, Ryanair took delivery of its 100th 737-800, giving it an all-737-800 fleet with an average age of two years.


User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

So..how much do seat pockets and window shades weigh to produce cost savings by eliminating them? Guess if you don't have to check and clean out the seat pockets..you save some time...
TPAnx



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7691 times:

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 17):
Try booking a ryanair ticket for tomorrow.
Bingo
Thats how they make their money

Try booking a BA ticket for tomorrow.

Ryanair tomorrow: Stansted-Rome Ciampino-Stansted, cheapest £348.75
British Airways tomorrow: Heathrow-Rome Fiumicino-Heathrow, cheapest £543.60

Train ticket from FCO to Rome: 9.50 Euro (35mins)
Bus ticket from FCO to Rome: 9 Euro (70mins)
Bus ticket from CIA to Rome: 6 Euro (40mins)

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 17):
Another trick - baggage. Ferociously expensive.

£5 isn't "ferociously expensive", and if it's that bad, don't take luggage. There were 3 people on my trip to Rome and we managed to fit everything for 2 days into 2 pieces of hand luggage.


User currently offlineLhrmaccoll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7667 times:

So my point being - ryanair are cheaper, yet still ferociously expensive for little or no notice tickets.
The 99p fares are usually a few weeks or even months in advance.
Lets not get nitpicky


User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Why do people always expect service on an airplane? Those days are long gone. Do you get free beverages and food on a bus or train? If you're not paying a lot, don't expect a lot.

User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

Quoting Provance (Reply 15):
his combine with their aggressive inflight sales

oh Rubbish...

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 10):

This is a bit of a problem with Runway / Airport closure...

When STN closes we get the diverted flight, and what most people would expect and assume, FR wont do anything for those on the diverted flight.. Wrong...

As you said, the crew do everything they can to get back on time, they have an extremely hard time with it, they they are diverted, A Free coach is Provided from LTN-STN and it only delays there arrival via 1.5 hours..

FR are a good Value for Money, If you want to bitch and whine about paying for a bag then take your business elsewhere..


What you seem to forget is that FR is not a 5 star airline that still gets you from A to B... People hear 1 bad thing and turn it into a mountain out of a molehill.. For a plain example Yesterday we had a15 min delay on the Dublin die to the aircraft arriving late... We told the passengers on check-in and there Instant Reaction was:

Rolling eyes "oh I wouldst expect anything more from Ryanair"

Im sorry but I find this quite Offensive, Even though we are Not FR we and FR work extremely hard to maintain a good and on time service to passengers and 98% of the time there is no delay at all..


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8694 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

The Ryanair lovers will hate me for it, but here's some info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKPirksymQ


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
25 Adria : Doesn't Ryanair have a bad reputation among passengers?
26 Aloges : That depends on what passengers expect. If you realise there's no way you can get much for a, say, $15 airfare plus taxes, you'll be fine.
27 RobertS975 : I once booked my wife and daughter from Knock to London Stansted for something like 29 GBP per person... but when they showed up with a week's worth o
28 SparkingWave : Well duh. Try booking a ticket on any airline for tomorrow! That's how most other airlines make money too. And they usually charge more than Ryanair.
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