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JetBlue Officially Lands In CLT  
User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Well it is official now. JetBlue has landed in CLT...and on-time to boot.

Here is a report/video from one of the local news stations. If you were there today post your stories and pics. I will be out at the airport on Friday so I will snagg some pics then.

http://www.news14charlotte.com/conte...op_stories/default.asp?ArID=123356

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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

This is really great news.... now my DL and CO fares to NYC will be lower. I'll thank B6 by waving at them as my OH or RU jet taxi's by the B6 gate.


"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineWMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 1):
This is really great news.... now my DL and CO fares to NYC will be lower. I'll thank B6 by waving at them as my OH or RU jet taxi's by the B6 gate.

Haha, we do what we can for the common traveler Ejmmsu! Glad we could cushion your pocket book!!



JetBlue - Bringing humanity back to air travel
User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

And, apparently, loads are pretty good for the rest of the week; not bad for inaugural service. Kudos to B6!


Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Here are some pics of the inagural flight courtesy of The Charlotte Observer:

http://www.charlotte.com/multimedia/...ive/mmpage/misc/jetblue/index.html


User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

I was surprised to see how young the pilot was...we are so used to seeing the older guys here in CLT.

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 1):
This is really great news.... now my DL and CO fares to NYC will be lower. I'll thank B6 by waving at them as my OH or RU jet taxi's by the B6 gate.

It's funny that a lot of people do this without even realizing that the LCC is the one bringing down the fares on all flights. If no one supports the LCC on the route, then eventually they will pull out and fares will go right back up. This is an all too common occurrence and I hope that people start using some minor forms of common sense when looking at flights.

I heard that CLT is booking up very strong, and with fares from $94-$199 o/w, this must be a pretty high-yielding route.

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 6):
It's funny that a lot of people do this without even realizing that the LCC is the one bringing down the fares on all flights. If no one supports the LCC on the route, then eventually they will pull out and fares will go right back up. This is an all too common occurrence and I hope that people start using some minor forms of common sense when looking at flights.

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And what's even more sad is that those people will still patronize the older, traditional airline on the competing route...even after they screwed the customer for years with sub-standard, over-priced service! Now that a new kid's in town, they lower fares and offer bonus miles in an attempt to keep their customers...and since its effective marketing/competition, it works too often. Welcome to CLT, jetBlue! Here's to many sucessful years there!



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4149 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 6):
It's funny that a lot of people do this without even realizing that the LCC is the one bringing down the fares on all flights. If no one supports the LCC on the route, then eventually they will pull out and fares will go right back up. This is an all too common occurrence and I hope that people start using some minor forms of common sense when looking at flights.

Skyteam can take me to 728 destinations worldwide and almost every city in the USA with commercial air service, with all my miles accrued to a single account. Compare that to jetblue. I would still fly skyteam even if the fares were higher, and I am fully aware that my lack of support my cause B6 to find CLT not viable economically. I'm sure the huge base of US frequent fliers here in the CLT area feel the same way, only about US and *A.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting JetBlueNYFL (Reply 7):
And what's even more sad is that those people will still patronize the older, traditional airline on the competing route...even after they screwed the customer for years with sub-standard, over-priced service!

Even though that "older, traditional airline" has helped shape CLT into what it is?

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 9):
Even though that "older, traditional airline" has helped shape CLT into what it is?

Like US outsourcing some of its routes from PIT to make CLT the new fortress hub with some 500+ flights, including European and Caribbean/Central American routes...



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 10):
Like US outsourcing some of its routes from PIT to make CLT the new fortress hub with some 500+ flights, including European and Caribbean/Central American routes...

Does anybody in PIT let anything go?  wink 

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

Well hopefully we can see some CLT expansion if all goes well.

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 8):
Skyteam can take me to 728 destinations worldwide and almost every city in the USA with commercial air service, with all my miles accrued to a single account. Compare that to jetblue. I would still fly skyteam even if the fares were higher, and I am fully aware that my lack of support my cause B6 to find CLT not viable economically. I'm sure the huge base of US frequent fliers here in the CLT area feel the same way, only about US and *A.

This doesn't make sense at all, you thank them for lowering the prices all over and now someone recognizes what you say and you go back at them saying that you will over pay for a flight just to be on SkyTeam flights. And well Skyteam is not one airlines and you comepare them to jetBlue. You could compare AA to OneWorld (total) and it is still a bad comparison.
Someone was agreeing with you on most terms, take it.

B6jfk airplane 



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User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

just wanted to throw this out there to remind jetblue of whom they are dealing with in clt.




To: US Employees (especially to our Charlotte-based team):

In announcing JetBlue's intention to add a handful of regional jet flights from JFK to Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham yesterday, JetBlue CEO David Neeleman made the following comment "Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham have natural ties to New York, but until now, the people of North Carolina have overpaid for sub-standard service." As US Airways is the largest provider of service from Charlotte to New York, we can assume that at least some of Mr. Neeleman's remarks were targeted at us. A number of you were upset by these remarks so I thought I should share my views with you.

First, I know David pretty well and I can assure you he is a genuinely good person. That he chose to make such a remark is probably indicative of the stress that JetBlue is under and we should not take his remarks personally. JetBlue is experiencing a relative profitability decline that is unprecedented in our industry. It is probably very hard for them to hear that US Airways (who they'd counted on being gone by now) is expecting to be profitable in 2006 (excluding transition related expenses), while they have disclosed that they expect to be unprofitable.

Their problems are serious and structural: 1) they have a low cost structure that is driven primarily by a low average age (low seniority employees, low maintenance on new airplanes for three years, etc.); 2) to maintain a low average age, they must grow; and 3) there are no more growth markets in our industry (which is where our survival really hurt them). And, their problems are well appreciated by the financial markets. Since our merger, US Airways stock has appreciated over 100%, while JetBlue is down about 20%. It doesn't appear that our customers are overpaying; rather it appears that passengers aren't willing to pay JetBlue enough for them to be profitable.

Some of this is likely due to their own service. While US Airways has been the leading on-time major airline since our merger, JetBlue has been among the worst! To characterize arriving late in JFK with a TV in front of you as better service than being on-time in LGA with a first class cabin, an award-winning frequent flyer program, business clubs and a global alliance, suggests that JetBlue may be looking at the wrong service standards.

The fact of the matter is JetBlue is struggling mightily and the hard working employees of US Airways are a big reason why. Rather than get upset by their comments we should keep them in context.

US Airways is going to be here long after JetBlue -- that was not their plan and they are trying to figure out what to do about it.

We, on the other hand, know what to do -- we will compete aggressively, we will focus on running our own race and we will win. Thanks so much for taking care of our customers and please keep it up.

Sincerely,

Doug

jetBlue will not win.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):
This doesn't make sense at all, you thank them for lowering the prices all over and now someone recognizes what you say and you go back at them saying that you will over pay for a flight just to be on SkyTeam flights.

It makes complete sense. He will chose DL over B6 for all the reasons he has said. Those reasons cannot be supplied by B6, thus he, and every other frequent flyer out there, will not fly B6.

Concerning his "thanks" to B6, he was simply saying that because by having B6 coming in, his fares on DL will be lower.

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9191 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 11):
Does anybody in PIT let anything go?

Awww come on, man... I am over that already and that post really wasn't directed to the PIT dehubbing. It was simply about how US built up CLT. Actually, according to an article in the PostGazette, Charlotte is attracting a lot of Pittsburghers... to live and work!!!

B6 in CLT should be rather interesting to watch  Smile



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):
This doesn't make sense at all, you thank them for lowering the prices all over and now someone recognizes what you say and you go back at them saying that you will over pay for a flight just to be on SkyTeam flights.

Yes indeed. He called my decision to continue flying skyteam "sad". I wanted to point out why it is not "sad", but rather a very intelegent thing to do.

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):
And well Skyteam is not one airlines and you comepare them to jetBlue.

Skyteam, due to their recriprocal mileage agreements and seamless interlining is practically a single airline from a passengers standpoint. I can fly any combination of skyteam legs on the same itenerary, and only have to check in once. I can also get all my miles credited to the same account. Jetblue is not a member of any international alliance. It is a very fair and prudent comparison to compare skyteam to B6.



Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):
you could compare AA to OneWorld (total) and it is still a bad comparison.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. AA is in oneworld. I feel Oneworld is inferior to Skyteam, but all three major alliances are vastly supeior to B6 in destinations served. Most CLT fliers are members of US, which is in Star. The comparison to B6 is valid for all three alliances.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 14):
It makes complete sense. He will chose DL over B6 for all the reasons he has said. Those reasons cannot be supplied by B6, thus he, and every other frequent flyer out there, will not fly B6.

Concerning his "thanks" to B6, he was simply saying that because by having B6 coming in, his fares on DL will be lower.

Thank you... my thoughts exactly (and put a little more succinctly than myself)  Smile



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineJetBlueNYFL From United States of America, joined May 2006, 274 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 14):
Those reasons cannot be supplied by B6, thus he, and every other frequent flyer out there, will not fly B6.

"Every" is a pretty powerful word. Maybe "majority" is more appropriate for the point you're trying to make. Keep in mind that jetBlue doesn't only/always "steal" business but they "create" business. There are mantty frequent flyers who will fly jetBlue JFK-CLT. The advance bookings look great already. Also, many elite customers at legacy airlines are sick and tired of some crazy policies and more are switching over to LCLF's for domestic travel.



jetBlue...Bringing Humanity Back To Air Travel!
User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

In the paper this morning it noted that CEO David had to fly down to CLT in the cockpit jumpseat as the plane was fully booked. He did state that if the strong bookings continue for 3-4 months that jetBlue would then start adding flights.

User currently offlineEtops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

have a good time with this while you can. because trust me, it will not last.

User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 12):
Well hopefully we can see some CLT expansion if all goes well.

Does Charlotte have the gate space? New construction would be needed right?

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
Charlotte is attracting a lot of Pittsburghers... to live and work!!!

Raleigh has a huge Pittsburgh presence, and I mean huge.



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 16):
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. AA is in oneworld. I feel Oneworld is inferior to Skyteam, but all three major alliances are vastly supeior to B6 in destinations served. Most CLT fliers are members of US, which is in Star. The comparison to B6 is valid for all three alliances.

No I was simply comparing an airline to an alliance. So what if you can share miles, it is not the same airline and not one airline has those 728 destinations, it is a an alliance and you cannot compare one airlines to a group of airlines saying that a group is better than one which is true. Just be thankful that B6 is bringing down the prices for you otherwise you would still be paying high prices on the route.

Quoting Etops1 (Reply 19):
have a good time with this while you can. because trust me, it will not last.

Why would you say that, US will run them out?? I don't believe they want to waste their money on this route when they are still stabilizing. Plus people in NY will fly B6 to CLT and not switch over to US since B6 is very well known here. Maybe B6 PAX from CLT might decline over time but NY PAX will probably increase or stay the same. US shouldn't waste money and time on JFK-CLT, they could work on LGA-CLT and have presence in JFK/CLT but running B6 out will be hard for them and a waste.

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 20):
Does Charlotte have the gate space? New construction would be needed right?

Well B6 has D6 right now with 4 arrivals and 4 departures a day, so if they time everything right they could get about 5 more flights out of the gate. And plus when they start cities they always time it so they can add some flights and leave open flight numbers.

B6jfk airplane 



When You Know jetBlue, You Know Better
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 21):

No I was simply comparing an airline to an alliance. So what if you can share miles, it is not the same airline and not one airline has those 728 destinations, it is a an alliance and you cannot compare one airlines to a group of airlines saying that a group is better than one which is true. Just be thankful that B6 is bringing down the prices for you otherwise you would still be paying high prices on the route.

One certainly can very validly compare one airline with an entire alliance. The simple fact is that NW, CO, and DL (who i fly) are indeed a member of a worldwide alliance, and B6 is not. B6 does not serve the vast majority of the places I routinely travel to. They also do not offer the seamless and hassle-free flying to 728 destinations, with all my miles credited to one account.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 21):
Well B6 has D6 right now with 4 arrivals and 4 departures a day, so if they time everything right they could get about 5 more flights out of the gate. And plus when they start cities they always time it so they can add some flights and leave open flight numbers.

Why would B6 take two gates in Pittsburgh then? B6 only has two more daily flights in and out of Pittsburgh than Charlotte. I do know PIT has two RONs from B6. I have to assume the extra gate in PIT is for expansion reasons then.


How many gates are not used in CLT?



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4247 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 1):
I'll thank B6 by waving at them as my OH or RU jet taxi's by the B6 gate.

Too bad you'll have to twist and contort yourself to look out of that CRJ window as you pass by. I'm not sure you'll have enough room to wave!



None shall pass!!!!
25 Ejmmsu : This is true on OH, but not on RU.
26 Cltguy : CLT was a US fortress hub long before PIT was dehubbed. In fact there were a couple years where PIT and CLT would sea-saw as to who was the largest h
27 Post contains links KarlB737 : More Media Reports: Courtesy: WCNC-TV http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/Vi...deoPlayer.php?vidId=75253&catId=69 Courtesy: WSOC-TV http://www.wsoctv.co
28 Steeler83 : That I did not know about. And yes, I think I know that CLT was the fortress hub before PIT was dehubbed. They began cutting service in what, 2001/ea
29 JetBlueNYFL : Great reports, thanks for posting! Kind of reminds me what AA said about LGB, what DL said about NYC-FL and what CO said about EWR...all those just t
30 JetBluefan1 : Today I was at Six Flags Great Adventure waiting in line for Kingda Ka (I took the day off to bring my family to see Tony Hawk). There was a son and a
31 DL4EVR : And US isn't? Ever been to LGA? Exactly!!!! Even if you want to take B6 to JFK to connect to Europe...can you get all your boarding passes at once? N
32 FLAIRPORT : I think he says that at every city.
33 Ha787 : maybe B6 can give US/Hp some competetion on the CLT-LAS rote.
34 Ejmmsu : You will see WN run that route before B6 even thinks about it.
35 Mountainridge : Wow...another "educated" comment by someone who worships the widget! You can't really make comments like that until you actually see CLT route perfor
36 JetBluefan1 : I highly doubt that. I really, really do. ATL was launched from underdeveloped LGB and OAK. CLT has been launched from B6's home base - JFK, where ev
37 FCYTravis : Of course the fares are lower for connecting traffic. B6 *has* to offer a much lower fare to get anyone to inconveniently fly CLT-JFK-BDA as opposed
38 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Yes I have, I used to go about 4 times a month for like 7/8 years straight when family came in to visit my grandma and now I just go like once a mont
39 JFKLGANYC : "Yes I have, I used to go about 4 times a month for like 7/8 years straight when family came in to visit my grandma and now I just go like once a mont
40 Flyguy1 : That will all change in September, when US starts CLT-JFK, 3x per day.
41 STT757 : I actually agree with you, US Air(ways) is not using their slots and gates properly at LGA (IMO), AA, B6, CO, UAL would do better with those assets.
42 CentPIT : I hate to tell you, times change! Well, maybe in your opinion, but to be profitable on some routes, a DH8 might be all thats needed!
43 JFKLGANYC : "I hate to tell you, times change!" They sure do. That's why B6 is a powerhouse in NY. US really isn't anymore. PJ
44 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Then don't fly B6 anymore. You can go fly them a and pay more for miles, B6 is there for lower costs than a lot of the legacies and mostly I have not
45 FCYTravis : US doesn't have enough planes to fly all those routes out of LGA. People forget just how many aircraft they've gotten rid of in the past 5 years.
46 Ejmmsu : I have never flown B6 From my home airport, CLT, the only destination served n/s is JFK. There are some limited connection oppourtunities, but overal
47 DL4EVR : Believe me...you're not missing much. Those aren't top markets!!! Neither are LAX or SFO....only LGB and OAK! How much kool aid does this guy drink (
48 HPRamper : Starting in November, this will begin to change.
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