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Did I Fly A 737-100?  
User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Greetings Everyone!

My parents kept a logbook of flights that I took starting with my first one when I was 3 months old (Thanks Mom and Dad). In 1969 we took a United Airlines flight from SFO to Modesto and the airplane type is just written as 737 (nearly empty). Does anybody if it could have been a 100 series? Loads were ridiculous as my father once took a 737 on the same route in which he was the only passenger! No wonder they only kept a large jet on that route for a short time. Thanks in advance for anyone who can help.

Regards:
LPLAspotter


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User currently offlineArffguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

If I recall correctly, I don't think UAL had 737-100 models at all.

Anybody else?



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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

As far as I know, UA never operated the 737-100. They operated the 200, 300 and 500 series.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Thread starter):
Does anybody if it could have been a 100 series?

They only made 25 or 30 of the -100 series and I thought they all went to LH. I think it more likely that you were on a 737-200 Basic, as I think UA was the launch customer for those...


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

You flew on a 732 basic as OPNLguy said. They were the launch customer and had them till 99 I believe. Someone please correct me if Im wrong. The 732 was a good workhorse for UA until they got Airbus a/c.

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User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

A 737 to Modesto? Wow! Times have changed havent they?

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Thread starter):
No wonder they only kept a large jet on that route for a short time.



Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 5):
A 737 to Modesto? Wow!

United used to run some crazy routings in the west with 732's prior to deregulation. One they dropped like a hot potato was something like Ely-Elko-Reno-SFO.

Sample puddle-jumper routings between SFO and Central/Southern California courtesy of member Stirling from an old thread:

SFO-FAT-VIS-BFL-SAN
SFO-SCK-MOD-FAT-VIS-BFL
SFO-SCK-MOD-FAT-LAX
SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-VIS-LAX
SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-FAT-LAX
SFO-VIS-BFL-LAX
SFO-FAT-BFL-LAX



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User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
They only made 25 or 30 of the -100 series and I thought they all went to LH.

MAS (Malaysia-Singapore Airlines) also got a few new from the factory
NASA flew one for a very long time as well



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User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Thanks for the news (although I wanted to say I flew on a 100 series) but now that I think about it I remember Lufthansa getting most of those birds.

Those flights were a trip. Almost like having the entire 737 to yourself.

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

I flew on a 737-100, America West had them. It flew as the Phoenix Suns.

Alex



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 7):
NASA flew one for a very long time as well

NASA's is in fact the very first 737. You can see it at the Museum of Flight in Seattle (where it belongs). I'm hoping that it will remain there permanently and get a repaint in its rollout colors...


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting Da man (Reply 7):
MAS (Malaysia-Singapore Airlines) also got a few new from the factory

Good grief, how could I, of all people (being an ex-Air Florida puke) forget the infamous 737-112s?


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We had five, all originally from MAS as you noted. We ran them as N40AF (line-194), N42AF (line-203), N46AF (line-184), N47AF (line-212), and N48AF (line-217).

They were really special aircraft, in that they had beefed up landing gear and -9 engines, and were capable of some higher takeoff and landing weights than the "stock" 737-130s that LH had. I seem to recall a max takeoff weight of 110,000 lbs., which was 1,000 lbs. better than the larger 737-200 "Basic" aircraft with -7s.

Another thing special about them was the old-style wire HF antenna from the top of the fuselage to the forward tip of the tail (see photo above), since Singapore had some long overwater segments and the navaids of the day were something less exotic than are available today. We left the antennae on at Air Florida, but they sure did look odd compared to the rest of the ragtag 737 fleet.

Two of the five aircraft had more than their share of mechanical problems (I don't recall which two) and were quickly dubbed "Godzilla" and "Rodan" after the movie monsters. We also had "bug" problems (on all 5) and some fumigator in MIA made some money off us with repetitive treatments. I later interviewed at Alaska Airlines dispatch in SEA, and the manager mentioned in passing that they had some ex-Singapore 727s. I casually asked how they solved their "bug" problems with them. He replied that they flew each one to Prudhoe Bay and left them sit for a couple of weeks in the winter cold--that will (and did) kill anything.


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1941 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

The only 737 that UA operated on the SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-VIS-LAX was the 737-222. They operated the route with 737's from late November 1968, with the retirement of the DC-6 (except for the SLC-ELKO-ELY-RNO-SFO RT operated with DC-6B's until early 1971) until UA dumped the local service California routes right after deregulation in 1978, a period of ten years. I lived in Modesto in 1975-76, and traveled there frequently from 1974-77. UA during that period operated four flights to Modesto. A very early morning flight that operated SFO-MOD-SCK-SFO. Two mid day flights that operated SFO-SCK-MOD-MCE-VIS-LAX and return. And a late evening SFO-SCK-MOD-SFO. All were operated with the 737-222. During the winter time, the early morning and late evening flights often were canceled due to Toole Fog. In those days, a load factor of 60% was profitable, and the flights usually had that many passengers and were frequently quite full.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3115 times:

HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Gotta love the aft airstairs.



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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Gotta love the aft airstairs.

Also PeoplExpress

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 14):
Also PeoplExpress

Fair enough, should have thrown that one in. We did "inherit" them.

PE did get them from LH. We (CO) had the plane that was shot (LH flight 181) at in Mogadishu in 1977.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2994 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Air California/AirCal operated two ex-Avianca -100's (if the history in the photo database is correct).

American flew them for a short while after buying AirCal, but I don't know if they ever saw full AA livery.


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2953 times:
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3 or 4 -100s found their way to New Zealand for a few years flying with Ansett New Zealand ( from 1988 - can't remember when they were withdrawn ) before they were (sadly) replaced by Bae146s . I knew an engineer in CHC who said that the Boeings (which were at the time of arrival in New Zealand around 20 years old ) were less maintenance intensive than the brand new 146s ! They were certainly a lot nicer from the pax point of view .


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User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
HP and CO were the some of the few airlines that flew the 737-100s. At least as far as American carriers go. I am unsure of the others.

Air California/AirCal operated two ex-Avianca -100's (if the history in the photo database is correct).

American flew them for a short while after buying AirCal, but I don't know if they ever saw full AA livery.

I don't believe Avianca never has had 737's at all...South American should be able to confirm this, but I've practically worn Bogota out with my comings and goings through there to Brazil via Leticia, Co. since the early 60's and I've never seen a 737 in AV's liveries. I'll bet the database had a type O.

AV itself has had: (jets) 707-100/300, 720, 727-200, 757-200, 767-100/200, 747-100,200, MD-80's....did I forget any??

Regards,
amazonphil



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User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

[quote=OPNLguy,reply=11]We had five, all originally from MAS as you noted. We ran them as N40AF (line-194), N42AF (line-203), N46AF (line-184), N47AF (line-212), and N48AF (line-217).

They were really special aircraft, in that they had beefed up landing gear and -9 engines, and were capable of some higher takeoff and landing weights than the "stock" 737-130s that LH had. I seem to recall a max takeoff weight of 110,000 lbs., which was 1,000 lbs. better than the larger 737-200 "Basic" aircraft with -7s.


ANother way to tell a 737-100 are the blow in doors on the engines, a similar feature on the 707. For some reason, the doors were not common on a 732 series aircraft engines although I did see it once.

amazonphil



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6709 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

There were two (?) 737-159s, weren't there-- no typo? Were they built for Avianca but never used by them?

User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 20):
There were two (?) 737-159s, weren't there-- no typo? Were they built for Avianca but never used by them?

You could be correct here as this might have been the case....but I never saw anything in AV colors that was a 737 and actually flew. And I would have seen something as much time as I've spent in Colombia.

cheers,
amazonphil



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 19):
ANother way to tell a 737-100 are the blow in doors on the engines, a similar feature on the 707. For some reason, the doors were not common on a 732 series aircraft engines although I did see it once.

The 737-200 "Basic" had the sucker doors as well, but they disappeared with the advent of the 737-200 "Advanced" (ADV) version off the production line.


User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
The 737-200 "Basic" had the sucker doors as well, but they disappeared with the advent of the 737-200 "Advanced" (ADV) version off the production line.

I see....having grew up in Brazil, I didn't have a chance to see the basic 732, all the carriers that used 732's there....Cruzeiro do Sul, Varig(at that time when they were separate..they later joined) and Vasp were all the Advanced 732's so I never noticed sucker doors.

Thanks!

amazonphil



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User currently offlineThering From Brazil, joined Jun 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
They only made 25 or 30 of the -100 series and I thought they all went to LH. I think it more likely that you were on a 737-200 Basic, as I think UA was the launch customer for those...

CO had 737-100 also.



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25 Thecheese : Hmm... I saw a pair of photos of Avianca 731s in the database, but I can't find them now. Both were taken at BFI, pre-delivery, though.
26 Amazonphil : One of the posts above by somebody, mentioned that...they were inhertied by CO from PE(which originally came from LH) when they were merged. amazonph
27 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : One of the elusive 737-159's in Avianca colors. No idea if AV actually took delivery or not, this photo says it was taken in Nov 68 at Boeing Field,
28 OPNLguy : The original three 737-200s that SWA started with back in 1971 were all of the "basic" variety, but were cycled out of the fleet within a few years a
29 Amazonphil : WOW! Thanks AeroWesty. It sure looks strange in AV's old livery. During this livery's life, all the planes were DC-6's and DC-3's and the first 727-1
30 EWRCabincrew : Correct me if I am wrong. Isn't a tell tale sign of a 737-100 the lack of any door handle (from the outside) or door window on the 2L door. At least w
31 57AZ : Not always. 737-200Cs also had the rear airstair and I think the same may be true of the new 737 Combis too.
32 EWRCabincrew : Correct. I meant to get across was that all 737-100s had the aft airstairs at 2L, if I am not mistaken. All our 737-100s had them.
33 YOW : So overall, how many factory-fresh 737-100s were actually built? I've always thought it was 30. How many of these didn't go to LH?
34 Post contains links OPNLguy : From the 737.org.uk page... "Just 30 series 100's were built, with 22 going to Lufthansa, 5 for Malaysia Airlines and 2 for Avianca." That totals 29,
35 LPLAspotter : Wow, all I wanted to know is if I flew a 100 series and I got more information on this type that I could ever find in a book. This website is great (n
36 AirCop : During a period in the 70's United contracted with the first Frontier to fly a CV580 over this routing.
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