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CO Domestic Expansion Question  
User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1061 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

I was wondering what CO's Domestic plans included. All of their new service announcement as of late have been international. I know that the international market is where the money is, but isn't some domestic expansion necesary. We've heard of domestic expansion from almost every other carrier, so I was just wondering what CO's plans are. Any one have any thoughts or insights?

Dave

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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3359 times:
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I do not expect to see a whole heck of a lot of expansion, though I do expect to see ongoing adjustments to the schedule.


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User currently offlineWorldsurfer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

I believe that in their annual report CO stated they would grow their domestic mainline capacity by 4 % , i dont know if that means more destinations, or just more flights on the more profitable existing routes.

User currently offlineNuggetsyl From United States of America, joined May 2006, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Cal is expanding its domestic routes in an interesting way. Cal is changing out the aircraft flying current routes with bigger planes without adding new departures.

example
757-200 for 757-300
737-500 now has 10% more seats
coming soon
get rid of 737-300 for 737ng


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

yes, i would not look for new destinations or new routes, but rather we are expanding by adding the additional 757-300s to our route system and will soon be adding a few F class seats to some of our planes. Also, additional frequencies will be made. As you can see by the schedules right now, we have added many red-eyes for the past couple months to the schedule.


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3216 times:
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Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
As you can see by the schedules right now, we have added many red-eyes for the past couple months to the schedule.

And lowering the fares on redeyes to make them more attractive to consumers. A win-win in my opinion as to allows CO to use equipment that would have been RON and allows consumers a lower cost options for travel.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 1):
I do not expect to see a whole heck of a lot of expansion, though I do expect to see ongoing adjustments to the schedule.

I agree. And, as pointed out above, CO is and will continue to use larger aircraft on domestic routes...such as the eight additional 753s and the additional 737NGs that are on order that will, over time, replace older and smaller 733s. Also, some routes may mature and be flown by mainline instead of regional aircraft.

We could see some new routes (likely with regional aircraft) out of IAH to some cities in the US West.....for example, IAH-GEG has been spoken about in the past. And, while not domestic but instead North American, CO is quietly building up connections between EWR and the Canadian Maritimes primarily with regional jets.


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1061 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Does anyone think that EWR-ANC will ever come back? Also will there be more connect the dots from EWR to cities that are only served from IAH such as OAK or BOI? I know OAK has been tried in the past and didn't work, but I was just throwing that out as an example. What cities that are served from IAH could support EWR service that don't already have it?

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting COEWRNJ (Reply 7):
Does anyone think that EWR-ANC will ever come back?

I dont think that we will see this route return......first, its a long run and ties up a 752 for a lot of hours doing a turn (although the return is generally a redeye), second, the yeilds are not great as the flight attracts primarily vacationers and cruise ship pax which fly on low contract fares agreed to by the airlines and cruise companies, last, for whatever reasons, when CO flew the EWR-ANC route a couple of summers ago, the fight seemed to be an operational headache with the flight taking constant delays. (The flight was generally sandwiched between two Florida flights, that could be the issue, and EWR is difficult during the summer with ATC problems and weather...but the ANC flight was especially bad.) If anything, it would be a seasonal run, maybe after the 787s are delivered which may free up a couple of 757s - who knows?

Other cities out of EWR? CO has tried quite a few cities that did not work out very well - YYC, OAK, SMF, TUS, ABQ all come to mind, its tough making the flights to the "smaller western cities" work out of EWR. I do think that at the right moment, CO will try all of these cities again. CO pretty much covers the destinations that have a chance of working out EWR...maybe RNO is a possibility, additional cities in Florida and the Gulf Coast as those destinations grow with more population and the second home crowd, and while not domestic, additional Caribbean destinations will probably develop out of EWR.


User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Of all the airlines, CO seems to me to be most aggressive at paring back the schedule on Tuesday and WEdnesday and Saturday. .. . what are those planes doing (probably moved to leisure routes on Saturday, but not a whole lot in CLE at least)? It's better to have billions of metal sitting around doing nothing rather than earning a bit of money? I know other airlines cut back as well, but it doesn't seem so dramatic.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

on saturdays you will see additional Mexico flying and carribean flying, we scale back domestic business pair cities to open up the leisure routes.


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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 471 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Sure but what about in the summer? The only Saturday addition in CLE I'm aware of is ABQ.

User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2736 times:
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Possibilities:

IAH-GEG
IAH-FAT
IAH-BIL


EWR-COS


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

on saturdays you see a lot more EWR-mexico flying, as well as more IAH-mexico flying.


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User currently offlineJEdward From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 4):
...and will soon be adding a few F class seats to some of our planes.

I heard the same thing earlier this year, an as an elite, I look forward to the improved upgrade odds!

But a quick question: I was under the impression that CO is switching the Hi8 tape systems in the 738's/739's (and perhaps others as well) to a space saving AVOD system for the overheard IFE. This will allow for the closet in front of 2A and 2B to be relocated forward to permit the installation of 1A and 1B.

Can anyone here offer any insight as to if this is correct - and if so - when is the project scheduled to be finished?

[Edited 2006-07-14 03:27:20]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
CO has tried quite a few cities that did not work out very well - YYC, OAK, SMF, TUS, ABQ

CO is currently flying nonstop from EWR to YYC and ABQ, both with 737-500s.

CO has alot of 737NGs parked at EWR over the Weekends and overnight, instead of overnighting on the ground at EWR or spending Sunday's basking in the Newark Sun they should be flying.

Oakland, Ontario, Burbank, Reno, Sacramento, Tuscon should all be tried as Red Eyes or Weekend specials.



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