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LAN (Chile) About To Order 747-8i Or A380?  
User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17705 times:

A friend sent me this link to a short story from an aviation watch web site that he visits periodically. Could this be proof that LAN (or maybe some of their OneWorld partners) is planning to order an ultra jumbo like the 747-8 or A380? I also found it interesting that they are using the 747-8 freighter's dimension. I believe I saw recent reports that Boeing was considering a 747-8i with the same length as the freighter.

Oh, how I would love to see a 747 is that cool LAN livery!

http://www.ainonline.com/Issues/06_06/06_06_Santiago74

Aeropuerto de Santiago Expansion Plans Show LAN Gates For Stretched 747

By Paul Louwe / June 2006

Sources in the managing body of Aeropuerto de Santiago have revealed that LAN requested and received the inclusion of four new "heavy" gates in design plans for their soon-to-be expanded hub facilities. More importantly, a further enhancement request calls for the four gates to accomodate "passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter". "We are unable to comment on details of a document that should not be available to the public", said Antonio Escabrera, Managing Director of the planning Board, when asked if LAN was expecting to use their own aircraft at these gates.

[Edited 2006-07-14 05:37:13]

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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17687 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
"passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter"

Huh? Isn't this contradicting?

I believe that that throws the credibility of the article.

And I don't believe LAN is in need of 747s or A380s. I do think, however, they could do some good with more A340s - to what currently is their business plan.

Cheers!
Gastón - The MD11junkie

EDIT: BTW, the link doesn't work - at least for me.

[Edited 2006-07-14 05:41:28]


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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17661 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
"passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".

Which is 75.3m, exactly the same as the A340-600.  scratchchin 


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17650 times:

Indeed, the link isn't working for me either...

I only see roght know 747/380 (if) only in Cargo configuration. Although Australia ops is always full (as well as Madrid), 340s are fine, and as MD11J said, there are 2 more 340 to come.

Even more, if Lan Argentina expansion goes on...

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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17650 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 2):
Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
"passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".

Which is 75.3m, exactly the same as the A340-600.

Good point!!! I wonder if they're taking the A340's that Emirates wanted to reject? IMHO, that would seem to make more sense than A380's or 747-8's.

P.S.: Sorry about the link. I copied and pasted it but, apparently, I didn't get the whole thing. I also discarded the original e-mail from my friend. However, the text is what was in the article.

[Edited 2006-07-14 05:54:12]

User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17589 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 4):
Good point!!! I wonder if they're taking the A340's that Emirates wanted to reject? IMHO, that would seem to make more sense than A380's or 747-8's.

EK rejected 340-600?

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SCL-LHR??? (that one just kidding...)



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17402 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 5):
EK rejected 340-600?

Correct, EK has said that they will not be taking the (20 or so) A340-600s they have on order; they've said they're considering swapping the order for either A380s or whatever comes out of the A350/A370 development.

As for LAN - I, too, cannot see them operating A380s or B747s in a pax configuration...



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17208 times:

Some months ago i opened a thread about LAN being interested in the A380F , but A380 or 747-8I for them is new to me.
Probably they would be able to fill a such large plane on certain routes (MAD) , but it could be a very small fleet.2 or 3 units.
Is that making sense in economic point of view ?


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17180 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 7):
Probably they would be able to fill a such large plane on certain routes (MAD) , but it could be a very small fleet.2 or 3 units.
Is that making sense in economic point of view ?

They may be looking at leasing a couple?


User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17046 times:

I think that those aircraft are far too large for LA operations at the moment. The traffic demand is just not there. The A340 has done and will continue to fit in nicely with LA's network.
Cargo, maybe. Especially to and from the US.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16994 times:

I strongly doubt this is gonna happen. LAN's main plane type will still be the 763ER on the pax side and 763F on the freight side, hence why they still continue ordering them, plus A340s for the higher-capacity/no ETOPS possible routes. More A340s could be ordered, but A380s or 748Is, definitely not.

User currently offlineOrlando666 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16946 times:

no single route in LAN network could support 744/380. A340/B763 are much better suited, also for cargo volumes.

User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16890 times:

Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 11):
no single route in LAN network could support 744/380. A340/B763 are much better suited, also for cargo volumes

o to


Maybe they should go bombardier or embraer and buy RJ and replace their current flleet?


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16625 times:

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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16555 times:

The only possibility that I could imagine is LAN ordering a very small number of 748F airplanes for their strong cargo network......and even that would be suprising as LAN seems most comfortable with the 763ER in both passenger and freigher configuration....the size of the 763 seems right for LAN's operations.

Question: whenever there is a discussion about LAN and longhaul or widebody aircraft, one must consider the issue of LAN and the A343....is there any update or information concerning the remaining four A343s that LAN ordered many years ago?


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16331 times:

Thought LA was happy ordering new 763ER's. Between the 767 and 767F they still have some (9/15) on order for delivery since 2004. I don't think LAN flys anywhere that would warrant such a large a/c with all that extra space.


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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16268 times:

Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 11):
no single route in LAN network could support 744/380. A340/B763 are much better suited, also for cargo volumes.

This is just a question. They fly 2x/daily LAX-LIM. Wouldn't it make sense to replace both aircraft with a larger one, like a 747? Of course, I would personally support that choice because it would benefit me when flying home. But that's just me being selfish.

FLY2LIM



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16226 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 15):
Between the 767 and 767F they still have some (9/15) on order for delivery since 2004

1 763F and 10 763ERs are still to be delivered according to boeing.com, which is still some ample growth for them, though many of the 763ERs will probably used for subsidiaries in Argentina, Peru, and perhaps even Brasil.


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16180 times:

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 16):
They fly 2x/daily LAX-LIM. Wouldn't it make sense to replace both aircraft with a larger one, like a 747?

The flights continue to different destinations, and in fact isn't one LP and the other LA, does that matter? What might be better is doing one LAX-SCL non-stop and a single LAX-LIM. Does anyone know why they do not do LAX-SCL non-stop.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16110 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17):
1 763F and 10 763ERs are still to be delivered according to boeing.com,

You are correct. They have only taken (2/3) 767F's and (2/12) for the 763ER passanger. My math at 9am is *rap. Big grin I meant to say they have (11/15) on order for delivery.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30906 posts, RR: 87
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15994 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
More importantly, a further enhancement request calls for the four gates to accomodate "passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
Huh? Isn't this contradicting?

Not if Boeing stretches the 748-I to the same dimensions as the 748-F, which is being considered.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8317 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15963 times:

They're looking into the future that's all. If you're going to build new gates it's a good idea and cheaper to look ahead, rather than retrofit it later at a much higher cost. LAN itself may not order a 748/A346/A380 but one of its Star Aliance partners will and may some day operate the aircraft to LIM. NH/NZ/LH/SQ/UA come to mind.

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15634 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21):
LAN itself may not order a 748/A346/A380 but one of its Star Aliance partners will and may some day operate the aircraft to LIM. NH/NZ/LH/SQ/UA come to mind.

You statement makes sense, however, LAN is One World and partners, for that reason, could include IB, BA, QF, all operators/potential operators for 748/346/380.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3332 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14754 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 18):
Does anyone know why they do not do LAX-SCL non-stop.

Insufficient demand between the two cities. This is the same reason why their SCL-JFK service is flown via LIM as well. As far as combining the two services, they don't do this for the same reason that routes in the US once flown by a 737 or similar aircraft on a daily basis are now flown by RJs thrice-daily. Passengers like frequency.


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14722 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
Insufficient demand between the two cities. This is the same reason why their SCL-JFK service is flown via LIM as well. As far as combining the two services, they don't do this for the same reason that routes in the US once flown by a 737 or similar aircraft on a daily basis are now flown by RJs thrice-daily. Passengers like frequency.

Except, I believe the two flights between LIM and LAX depart within 30 minutes of each other. So, tell me, wouldn't it make sense to fly one large aircraft between that city pair, and have a round trip SCL-LIM and LIM-JFK on two smaller aircraft? And yes, the two flights are "technically" on different airlines, but in reality they are not.

FLY2LIM



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25 OB1504 : Isn't the second flight a seasonal one, though? They'd have to find a place to send a 747 for the "slower" months.
26 Thering : I don't think so! LAN is perfectly happy with their 763 and even ordered some more recently (not sure if Cargo or Pax ones). Considering Boeing, Is po
27 Arcano : Actually there is something that I still don't get; both LH and IB has sent 346s to SCL, and they fit well in the gates, so why do they need more room
28 Post contains images TBCITDG : Arcano: No offence but there are many connections to DFW at the time that LA arrives in LAX (roughly the time when QF gets in) I think that the issue
29 Mason : It's true. I've flown the SCL-LAX flight many times, and typical loads on the SCL-LIM portion are about 30%. In LIM, the aircraft always fills to capa
30 3201 : Still does.
31 Arcano : I thik you didn't understand. I meant that at the time LA flew drectly to LAX, there wasn's flights of AA and DL, so now the demand Chile-USA has mor
32 LanPeru : Actually, people LOVE the stop in LIM especially the pax heading to EZE. Many people rather go on COPA, CO, DL, AA or AM because they could avoid the
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