Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15169 times:
A friend sent me this link to a short story from an aviation watch web site that he visits periodically. Could this be proof that LAN (or maybe some of their OneWorld partners) is planning to order an ultra jumbo like the 747-8 or A380? I also found it interesting that they are using the 747-8 freighter's dimension. I believe I saw recent reports that Boeing was considering a 747-8i with the same length as the freighter.
Oh, how I would love to see a 747 is that cool LAN livery!
Aeropuerto de Santiago Expansion Plans Show LAN Gates For Stretched 747
By Paul Louwe / June 2006
Sources in the managing body of Aeropuerto de Santiago have revealed that LAN requested and received the inclusion of four new "heavy" gates in design plans for their soon-to-be expanded hub facilities. More importantly, a further enhancement request calls for the four gates to accomodate "passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter". "We are unable to comment on details of a document that should not be available to the public", said Antonio Escabrera, Managing Director of the planning Board, when asked if LAN was expecting to use their own aircraft at these gates.
MD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 59 Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15151 times:
Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter): "passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter"
Huh? Isn't this contradicting?
I believe that that throws the credibility of the article.
And I don't believe LAN is in need of 747s or A380s. I do think, however, they could do some good with more A340s - to what currently is their business plan.
Cheers!
Gastón - The MD11junkie
EDIT: BTW, the link doesn't work - at least for me.
[Edited 2006-07-14 05:41:28]
There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2398 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15114 times:
Indeed, the link isn't working for me either...
I only see roght know 747/380 (if) only in Cargo configuration. Although Australia ops is always full (as well as Madrid), 340s are fine, and as MD11J said, there are 2 more 340 to come.
Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1169 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15114 times:
Quoting 3201 (Reply 2): Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter):
"passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".
Which is 75.3m, exactly the same as the A340-600.
Good point!!! I wonder if they're taking the A340's that Emirates wanted to reject? IMHO, that would seem to make more sense than A380's or 747-8's.
P.S.: Sorry about the link. I copied and pasted it but, apparently, I didn't get the whole thing. I also discarded the original e-mail from my friend. However, the text is what was in the article.
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2398 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15053 times:
Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 4): Good point!!! I wonder if they're taking the A340's that Emirates wanted to reject? IMHO, that would seem to make more sense than A380's or 747-8's.
EK rejected 340-600?
EZE-MAD???
SCL-AKL-SYD???
SCL-LHR??? (that one just kidding...)
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
Correct, EK has said that they will not be taking the (20 or so) A340-600s they have on order; they've said they're considering swapping the order for either A380s or whatever comes out of the A350/A370 development.
As for LAN - I, too, cannot see them operating A380s or B747s in a pax configuration...
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14672 times:
Some months ago i opened a thread about LAN being interested in the A380F , but A380 or 747-8I for them is new to me.
Probably they would be able to fill a such large plane on certain routes (MAD) , but it could be a very small fleet.2 or 3 units.
Is that making sense in economic point of view ?
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3267 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14644 times:
Quoting FCKC (Reply 7): Probably they would be able to fill a such large plane on certain routes (MAD) , but it could be a very small fleet.2 or 3 units.
Is that making sense in economic point of view ?
TBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14510 times:
I think that those aircraft are far too large for LA operations at the moment. The traffic demand is just not there. The A340 has done and will continue to fit in nicely with LA's network.
Cargo, maybe. Especially to and from the US.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14458 times:
I strongly doubt this is gonna happen. LAN's main plane type will still be the 763ER on the pax side and 763F on the freight side, hence why they still continue ordering them, plus A340s for the higher-capacity/no ETOPS possible routes. More A340s could be ordered, but A380s or 748Is, definitely not.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 14019 times:
The only possibility that I could imagine is LAN ordering a very small number of 748F airplanes for their strong cargo network......and even that would be suprising as LAN seems most comfortable with the 763ER in both passenger and freigher configuration....the size of the 763 seems right for LAN's operations.
Question: whenever there is a discussion about LAN and longhaul or widebody aircraft, one must consider the issue of LAN and the A343....is there any update or information concerning the remaining four A343s that LAN ordered many years ago?
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13795 times:
Thought LA was happy ordering new 763ER's. Between the 767 and 767F they still have some (9/15) on order for delivery since 2004. I don't think LAN flys anywhere that would warrant such a large a/c with all that extra space.
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1183 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13732 times:
Quoting Orlando666 (Reply 11): no single route in LAN network could support 744/380. A340/B763 are much better suited, also for cargo volumes.
This is just a question. They fly 2x/daily LAX-LIM. Wouldn't it make sense to replace both aircraft with a larger one, like a 747? Of course, I would personally support that choice because it would benefit me when flying home. But that's just me being selfish.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13690 times:
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 15): Between the 767 and 767F they still have some (9/15) on order for delivery since 2004
1 763F and 10 763ERs are still to be delivered according to boeing.com, which is still some ample growth for them, though many of the 763ERs will probably used for subsidiaries in Argentina, Peru, and perhaps even Brasil.
3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13644 times:
Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 16): They fly 2x/daily LAX-LIM. Wouldn't it make sense to replace both aircraft with a larger one, like a 747?
The flights continue to different destinations, and in fact isn't one LP and the other LA, does that matter? What might be better is doing one LAX-SCL non-stop and a single LAX-LIM. Does anyone know why they do not do LAX-SCL non-stop.
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 56 Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13574 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 17): 1 763F and 10 763ERs are still to be delivered according to boeing.com,
You are correct. They have only taken (2/3) 767F's and (2/12) for the 763ER passanger. My math at 9am is *rap. I meant to say they have (11/15) on order for delivery.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26966 posts, RR: 83 Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13458 times:
Quoting Reggaebird (Thread starter): More importantly, a further enhancement request calls for the four gates to accomodate "passenger aircraft based on the proposed dimensions of Boeing's 747-8 Freighter".
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6955 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13427 times:
They're looking into the future that's all. If you're going to build new gates it's a good idea and cheaper to look ahead, rather than retrofit it later at a much higher cost. LAN itself may not order a 748/A346/A380 but one of its Star Aliance partners will and may some day operate the aircraft to LIM. NH/NZ/LH/SQ/UA come to mind.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2115 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13098 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21): LAN itself may not order a 748/A346/A380 but one of its Star Aliance partners will and may some day operate the aircraft to LIM. NH/NZ/LH/SQ/UA come to mind.
You statement makes sense, however, LAN is One World and partners, for that reason, could include IB, BA, QF, all operators/potential operators for 748/346/380.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12218 times:
Quoting 3201 (Reply 18): Does anyone know why they do not do LAX-SCL non-stop.
Insufficient demand between the two cities. This is the same reason why their SCL-JFK service is flown via LIM as well. As far as combining the two services, they don't do this for the same reason that routes in the US once flown by a 737 or similar aircraft on a daily basis are now flown by RJs thrice-daily. Passengers like frequency.
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1183 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12186 times:
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23): Insufficient demand between the two cities. This is the same reason why their SCL-JFK service is flown via LIM as well. As far as combining the two services, they don't do this for the same reason that routes in the US once flown by a 737 or similar aircraft on a daily basis are now flown by RJs thrice-daily. Passengers like frequency.
Except, I believe the two flights between LIM and LAX depart within 30 minutes of each other. So, tell me, wouldn't it make sense to fly one large aircraft between that city pair, and have a round trip SCL-LIM and LIM-JFK on two smaller aircraft? And yes, the two flights are "technically" on different airlines, but in reality they are not.
FLY2LIM
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25 OB1504: Isn't the second flight a seasonal one, though? They'd have to find a place to send a 747 for the "slower" months.
26 Thering: I don't think so! LAN is perfectly happy with their 763 and even ordered some more recently (not sure if Cargo or Pax ones). Considering Boeing, Is po
27 Arcano: Actually there is something that I still don't get; both LH and IB has sent 346s to SCL, and they fit well in the gates, so why do they need more room
28 TBCITDG: Arcano: No offence but there are many connections to DFW at the time that LA arrives in LAX (roughly the time when QF gets in) I think that the issue
29 Mason: It's true. I've flown the SCL-LAX flight many times, and typical loads on the SCL-LIM portion are about 30%. In LIM, the aircraft always fills to capa
31 Arcano: I thik you didn't understand. I meant that at the time LA flew drectly to LAX, there wasn's flights of AA and DL, so now the demand Chile-USA has mor
32 LanPeru: Actually, people LOVE the stop in LIM especially the pax heading to EZE. Many people rather go on COPA, CO, DL, AA or AM because they could avoid the
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I meant to say they have (11/15) on order for delivery.
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