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User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
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Hi everyone,,,

i just have a quick question about LH at YYZ, why is that everytime i see the LH 747 parked at YYZ its at the cargo terminal, and how do the passengers get there, do they take them there by bus or does the plane taxi back and forth.

forgive me if this question im asking is really stupid,, but i just want to know

thanks

Fiaz

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User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Maybee you see the aircraft after it has off-loaded it's pax? ;P


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User currently offlineBA777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

It does look funny, but it isn't for cargo use.

The place where LH (and a number of other carriers like Alitalia and Austrian) use what is called the "Infield Terminal" which was built as temporary area for planes coming in while the new Terminal 1 is being built.

It is however, being used for longer than originall planned I believe and is VERY inconvienient for pax. They have to be bussed to Terminal 2; and that isn't pretty in Canadian winters.



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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Is the Infield teminal still in use?
I thought that AC moved all the operation to the new T1. And as LH is codeshare partner, I thought they moved as well.


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 2):
It is however, being used for longer than originall planned I believe and is VERY inconvienient for pax. They have to be bussed to Terminal 2; and that isn't pretty in Canadian winters.

It is inconvenient for everyone involved working on a aircraft at the IFT......

Quoting FraT (Reply 3):
Is the Infield teminal still in use?
I thought that AC moved all the operation to the new T1. And as LH is codeshare partner, I thought they moved as well.

T1 has still a way to go before these poor carriers can move in to T1 "New"

Cheers,


User currently offlineCNZ3 From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

LH, OS, Alitalia etc. have 6 more months of going through that crap. T1's scheduled completion date (this phase) is at the end of January. Right now it's just AC flights that operate from the actual T1 building.

You can read some more comments on it in this thread:

YYZ People Mover OK Start?

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User currently offlineYYZ757FAN From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Although the number of flights using the infield terminal has been drastically reduced since the new T-1 opened, I believe less than a dozen per day, there are just not enough gates to handle all the aircraft at T-1 at peak times. At present Lufthanza, Alitalia, Austrian, Condor, Ethiad Mexicana and some Air Canada flights gate their aircraft at the infield terminal. Passengers are bused to T-1 for Customs,Immigration and baggage. All passengers check in at T-1, deposit their bags and go through screening at T-1 and are then bussed over to the infield terminal to board the aircraft. As CNZ3 mentions this should all be finished in January 2007 when the 3rd pier at T-1 opens and adds a number of new gates.

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

LH has also sent numerous types to YYZ. LH's B744/A346/A343/A333 have all been to YYZ in the past, I would think due to AC/LH's codeshare agreement.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 7):
LH has also sent numerous types to YYZ. LH's B744/A346/A343/A333 have all been to YYZ in the past, I would think due to AC/LH's codeshare agreement.

LH will send what ever aircraft based on loads and availability which is a good thing to maximize profit...... and keeps us a.neters happy at YYZ

Cheers,


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 2):
The place where LH (and a number of other carriers like Alitalia and Austrian) use what is called the "Infield Terminal" which was built as temporary area for planes coming in while the new Terminal 1 is being built.

this infield terminal is horrible, at least 3 years ago when I was there, there were nearly no shops, just a small pizza restaurant....



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting Swissy (Reply 8):
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 7):
LH has also sent numerous types to YYZ. LH's B744/A346/A343/A333 have all been to YYZ in the past, I would think due to AC/LH's codeshare agreement.

LH will send what ever aircraft based on loads and availability which is a good thing to maximize profit...... and keeps us a.neters happy at YYZ

Cheers,

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Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
this infield terminal is horrible, at least 3 years ago when I was there, there were nearly no shops, just a small pizza restaurant....

It has since been upgraded to even inlcude a Maple Leaf Lounge for AC Elite Flyers and Star Gold Members, but still a pain to fly through. I can't wait until Pier F is complete!

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

I have flown on OS ex. YYZ 5 months ago , and i had to take the Bus to this famous " IFT " , the whole journey including getting on and off the Bus takes about 45 minutes that's why OS were asking Pax to be present at the Airport 4 hours prior to the flight ( i didn't know at that time the reason behind it ) .
But actually you get a rare opportunity to tour YYZ , the size of the Airport is quite impressive if you ask me .
This little tour of the Airport includes going through an almost 1 km tunnel under the runway and the taxiways .
Other carriers that were using the "IFT" at that time beside OS were AZ and AC .



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User currently offlineFiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2281 times:
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hey thanks guys,,, for the info...it just looks so weird everytime u see LH at almost in the middle of the field. But wasnt LH every on T3, if not why dont they move them to T3, i think LH being a big player in the business and travellers they get for YYZ to have a important say in allows to capture atleast one gate....hmm

Fiaz


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting Fiaz (Reply 12):
hey thanks guys,,, for the info...it just looks so weird everytime u see LH at almost in the middle of the field. But wasnt LH every on T3, if not why dont they move them to T3, i think LH being a big player in the business and travellers they get for YYZ to have a important say in allows to capture atleast one gate....hmm

Almost all of the Star Alliance carriers operate out of Terminal 1/IFT and Terminal 2. US Airways is about the only exception that I can think of...and T3 is already packed to the rafters...it probably couldn't comfortably handle another 747 at that time of day.

As soon as Pier F is up and running, there will be a few more international gates at T1, and instead of the bus ride, the passengers will just have a nice long walk/run to get to their gate. I am not going to lie...the distance from check-in to the gate will be about 0.5-0.6km. Easy for us young'ins, but not so easy for the older passengers. I just hope there are lots of Surreys!

James



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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 13):
As soon as Pier F is up and running, there will be a few more international gates at T1, and instead of the bus ride, the passengers will just have a nice long walk/run to get to their gate. I am not going to lie...the distance from check-in to the gate will be about 0.5-0.6km. Easy for us young'ins, but not so easy for the older passengers. I just hope there are lots of Surreys!

Considering the YYZ redevelopment is supposedly modern and certainly multi multi billion dollars--it is really quite shocking at all the growing complaints there are about horrible design, long walks, people movers that are cheap ski hill style lurching lifts, lack of seats in waiting areas--and the list goes on. I am starting to wonder about how this project has been designed, built and managed from the outset.

Of course there was a far better project for far lesss money on the table in 1993---YYZ would have been completely rebuilt to a much higher standard but thanks to Liberal mismanagement after Chretien took power in '93 that project was cancelled for political patronage reasons associated with the Liberal party.

All in all the YYZ redevelopment is taking billions of dollars and coming up awfully disappointing on a lot of levels.


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 14):
Considering the YYZ redevelopment is supposedly modern and certainly multi multi billion dollars--it is really quite shocking at all the growing complaints there are about horrible design, long walks, people movers that are cheap ski hill style lurching lifts, lack of seats in waiting areas--and the list goes on. I am starting to wonder about how this project has been designed, built and managed from the outset.

That is the problem with large international airports is the fact that gates take up space. I do not know of one design where there will ALWAYS be a short walk to every gate, although admittedly, I haven't visited too many different ones.

Wait until next February to make any comments on the redeveloped airport. The operation/transit through will be significantly improved.

James



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 14):
Considering the YYZ redevelopment is supposedly modern and certainly multi multi billion dollars--it is really quite shocking at all the growing complaints there are about horrible design, long walks, people movers that are cheap ski hill style lurching lifts, lack of seats in waiting areas--and the list goes on. I am starting to wonder about how this project has been designed, built and managed from the outset.

Well everything was set and done well before 9/11....... and there was no way out after the 9/11 disaster, if you have an insight (below) where pax can't got, the "nonsen" design is even worse including the re designed T3 bag rooms.............. and now every one doing business out YYZ are paying the price for it...................

Cheers,


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

The walks in T1 Pier F will not be that significant considering all the moving walkways being put in. The infield terminal is meant to be an overflow terminal and as such isn't as convenient as part of a real terminal. As soon as T1-New construction catches up with the capacity requirements of the airport the infield terminal will hardly be used. Anytime you build a new terminal on the site of an existing and at capacity terminal there are bound to be inconveniences during construction. There is nothing wrong with the design of T1. T3 has had changes which occurred after 9/11 which lead to T3 being a less optimal design but T1 was built with lots of extra space inside to handle change. The people mover is the only piece of new infrastructure which isn't up to par.

User currently offlineCNZ3 From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

The walks will be mimimal to the far end of Pier F. When I left PCL/Aecon (construction of the Airport) to join the GTAA, we were in the process of testing the high-speed moving walkways that would go from the security area all the way to the Hammerhead (on Level 3, above the gates). These could take you all the way in about a minute. The tests were making sure anyone could get on and off them without injury. If you take the normal speed walks you have to get on & off 4 times respectively for the journey.

I haven't been able to get access to Pier F since, so I don't know for sure if these have been installed. I've seen publications confirming it, and they're on the CAD drawings, but I won't believe it completely until I've seen them.



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User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting CNZ3 (Reply 18):
I haven't been able to get access to Pier F since, so I don't know for sure if these have been installed. I've seen publications confirming it, and they're on the CAD drawings, but I won't believe it completely until I've seen them.

The express walkways for arriving passengers will begin installation next month. Currently it is just one long hollowed out area. This was as of last week.

James



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User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Quoting YYZ757FAN (Reply 6):
As CNZ3 mentions this should all be finished in January 2007 when the 3rd pier at T-1 opens and adds a number of new gates.

Won't the number of new int'l gates available be minimal as the next phase is to primarily close the remaining operational section of T2? I know some gates at T1-new will be/are swing gates.

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 15):
That is the problem with large international airports is the fact that gates take up space. I do not know of one design where there will ALWAYS be a short walk to every gate, although admittedly, I haven't visited too many different ones.

It's called DTW. YYZ should have built something simliar. DTW's design is way more convient for pax' comfort, a million times better for airline ops and cost about a billion dollars less to build.


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting Yow (Reply 20):
It's called DTW. YYZ should have built something simliar. DTW's design is way more convient for pax' comfort, a million times better for airline ops and cost about a billion dollars less to build.

The only problem being is that DTW only added an additional 26 gates. Pier F alone at YYZ will add 23 (plus two densified gates). T1 (as of right now) has 32 gates open and as of the Pier F opening, it will have 55 gates total. Not to mention that the next two piers in the phase will add another 30 gates or so. So, it would cost a billion dollars less, but you would only get half of the gates.

James



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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Quoting CNZ3 (Reply 18):
we were in the process of testing the high-speed moving walkways that would go from the security area all the way to the Hammerhead (on Level 3, above the gates). These could take you all the way in about a minute. The tests were making sure anyone could get on and off them without injury.

I presume you have to sidestep to a slower channel before reaching the end of the walkway? This reminds me of an incident that some people thought was amusing. During one of the simulated passenger trials before T1 opened I was on a moving walkway in pier D. I turned around to talk to someone behind me, and got so engrossed with my conversation that I forgot where I was. I actually went off the end of the walkway facing backwards. Not recommended unless you are very athletic. I'm not. Smile


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