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Aer Lingus Out Of Oneworld And No Firlls Why?  
User currently offlineHa787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

why did aerlingus become a no firlls carrier? Is this what forced them out of the one world anlliace?

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6333 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

With competitors like Ryanair and after 9/11 the airline suffered and Willie Walsh saved the airline by turning it into a "low fares, way better" airline, since then Willie Walsh has left EI and joined BA and now we have Dermot Mannion in control and in my eyes he is already a success for EI because he has ordered new much needed A330s, lunched flights to Dubai and now he has succeeded in getting the Irish Government to privatize the airline. I think both EI and OW thought it best that the airline flys on its own but now EK are taking an interest! Also you must remember EI have Premier class on long-haul and it continues to be a good service even if the seats and IFE need an upgrade. EI on short haul does resemble a low fares airline but the food is good (even if you have to pay for it) and the new leather seats are very comfy!

[Edited 2006-07-14 16:55:17]

[Edited 2006-07-14 16:59:19]

User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20532 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Quoting Ha787 (Thread starter):
Is this what forced them out of the one world anlliace?

There was something in the news recently about EI not wanting to pay the IT costs of upgrading their systems to talk to the three newest oneworld carriers, and that their business model of point-to-point LCC flights didn't fit in with moving premium passengers around the globe.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
There was something in the news recently about EI not wanting to pay the IT costs of upgrading their systems to talk to the three newest oneworld carriers, and that their business model of point-to-point LCC flights didn't fit in with moving premium passengers around the globe.

That's a pretty feeble reason. They should have migrated to a proper system years ago.


User currently offlineFlyinHigh From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 1):
Also you must remember EI have Premier class on long-haul and it continues to be a good service even if the seats and IFE need an upgrade.

Good, may be an overstatement. I flew Premier class last Monday and it was fair at best, certainly not worth $3000 return JFK-DUB. Luckily I used frequent flyer miles.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4483 times:

I kinda hope that with Willie Walsh joining BA that he will not go the same way and make BA no frills although I fear this could be the case (BA Connect springs to mind)

 crossfingers 

Tom


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6333 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

Quoting FlyinHigh (Reply 4):
Good, may be an overstatement. I flew Premier class last Monday and it was fair at best, certainly not worth $3000 return JFK-DUB.

I was on a flight to DXB so it is possible EI were out to impress on this new route. It will be getting an upgrade with new seats, new menu, new IFE and a better service overall.
The short-haul product is very good for a low fares airline, I'm sure anyone on A.net who has flown EI recently would agree.


User currently offlineFlyinHigh From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
The short-haul product is very good for a low fares airline

Yes, it is.

Overall, I think EI's best attributes are it's reputation (70 years experience) and safety record. Service on some flights can be excellent, while on others fair, so it's not always consistent, the safety record on the other hand; is.

EI have many challenges facing them as they privatise and participate in the Open Skies agreement with the U.S. Let's hope that they continue to be successful.



Flown on A300,320,321,330, B717,727,737,747,757,767,777, BAC 1-11, BAE 146, D228, HS-121, L1011, MD 80, S360
User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

Is it official that Aer Lingus is out of OneWorld? They are still on the one world web site.


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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 8):
Is it official that Aer Lingus is out of OneWorld? They are still on the one world web site

They officially depart the alliance in early 2007, they will continue to be members until then. They will keep close alliance with certain members, especially BA. Look on the OW website for official confirmation in the press release section or the Ei site. It is also available on certain members of the alliances' sites!

Tom


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

They had to become a LCC because of Ryanair and other LCC's.

With a relative small transcontinental business, they have to compete locally with LCC Ryanair and others.

While the alliances tout "enhanced revenues" to the members, the programs are expensive to maintain.

EI is going for the lowest cost operation possible to compete in its local markets.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Sad to see them leave as I used to take their flights between LHR & DUB on an RTW ticket just because I enjoyed it so much.

I wish them well in the future.


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