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Thai Airways B744 Incident at MAD Today  
User currently offlineSkyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24359 times:

A Thai Airways jumbo jet taxiing to a runway bumped into an empty Air France plane parked outside a terminal at Madrid's international airport on Saturday, an airport official said. No injuries were reported.

The Thai Airways plane, a Boeing 747-400, was carrying more than 300 passengers and was headed to Bangkok via Rome, an airport spokeswoman said on customary condition of anonymity. The jet's right wing clipped the tail section of the Air France plane, which had been scheduled to fly to the French city of Bordeaux later Saturday, she said.

No passengers were injured or needed medical assistance, she said.

The cause of the accident was under investigation.

Both planes were taken out of service for repair while the passengers had to wait for another plane to continue their journey, she said.

Neither Thai Airways nor Air France were available for comment.

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User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24348 times:

S... happens.
A couple of million dollars and we will be OK


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 24280 times:




There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineCalvin99 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24263 times:

thx for the pics Fly727..!! the whole tail fell off??? thats unbelieveable..!! poor embraer jet..!!

from the pic.. it seems that onli the winglet was damaged..!! but can't see the other side of the wing.. so i don't know..!! i wonder the cause behind this?


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24220 times:

What surprises me is that it looks like the 747-400 was using the closest taxiway to Terminal 2 which has tight space and is normally only used by smaller aircraft. No wonder the accident occured! That's a pretty bad tail strike for the ERJ.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...158&spn=0.003894,0.010815&t=k&om=1

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j33/SpottingShots/DSCN1194.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j33/SpottingShots/DSCN1043.jpg

[Edited 2006-07-15 19:24:28]


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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24072 times:

Damm, thats a strike alrite.

Sliced the tail clean off.

Whos fault then??


User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 23896 times:

Well so much for that ERJ.... That will be a write off..... What the heck is that B747-400 doing in such a tight space????? I'm sure ATC ground did not put them there.....

Someone is going to get a good chewing

Chuck


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 23874 times:

Question: do the airlines carry insurance to provide cover for situations such as this? We hear about ground accidents from time to time, but considering how many airports and airplanes there are worldwide, lucky the situations are rare. How is an "airport fenderbender" such as this handled? In this case, would Thai simply make out a check to repair the damaged regional jet, do the laywers work it out, or is an insurance issue?

Thankfully, no one was injured in Madrid today.


User currently offlineCPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23251 times:

Quoting Calvin99 (Reply 3):
from the pic.. it seems that onli the winglet was damaged..!!

I think you can be pretty sure, that there is a lot more damage to the 744, than a damaged winglet.

Regards
Thomas


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 22098 times:

According the Spanish channel "TELE 5" TG going to charter a new plane to Madrid in order to pick up these pax.

http://www.informativos.telecinco.es/avion/choca/barajas/dn_28614.htm



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21963 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 9):
According the Spanish channel "TELE 5" TG going to charter a new plane to Madrid in order to pick up these pax.

I'll be flying out of MAD tommorow but from T4 (S) so I doubt I will be able to see the chartered aircraft unless it takes off after 10:00 and before 13:00!



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21800 times:

Airport Madrid, Barajas (MAD) - SPAIN
terminal 1
1:05 pm on July 15,2006
Bordeaux, Bordeaux Aéroport (BOD) - FRANCE
terminal A

2:20 pm on July 15,2006
Comments Flight canceled
Flight operated by Regional on behalf of Air France.

Seems to be that one.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21800 times:

¡Hola Gordon! ...according to Tele-5 "La compañía manifestó que se ha enviado una aeronave desde Tailandia al aeropuerto de Barajas para recoger a estos viajeros, que está previsto que emprendan viaje mañana sobre las 10.00 horas desde Madrid.

...then if this news is right tomorrow you will see 2 Thai's planes in Barajas: The special flight and the Sunday's scheduled flight non-stop MAD-BKK.



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 21698 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 12):
...then if this news is right tomorrow you will see 2 Thai's planes in Barajas: The special flight and the Sunday's scheduled flight non-stop MAD-BKK.

Ah vale, buenas nuevas! Hope I can see both!



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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 21281 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
In this case, would Thai simply make out a check to repair the damaged regional jet, do the laywers work it out, or is an insurance issue?

Depends on the carrier. When UAL pushed a 777 back into an AS 739 at
SEA, it took the AS plane out of service for some time.
However, when AS presented UAL with a bill, UAL offered to pay half
the cost.



First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19715 times:

What's with the airport on the google link? It has two runways that disappear. They appear to be new and the pictures are from dates far apart. I don't know how they get two RWY 18L's though (At the top of the picture and in front of the terminals).

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19376 times:

Some photos taken by Ruben Galindo Verdugo show a closer look at the damage:

http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo.asp?id=7249
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo.asp?id=7252
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo.asp?id=7250
http://www.aviationcorner.net/show_photo.asp?id=7248

Something weird about the last photo is that in the backround there is an Iberia Airbus with stairs attached to it, very surprised to see it parked at a remote stand by Terminal 1/2/3 instead of over at Terminal 4.

[Edited 2006-07-16 06:09:05]


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19358 times:

Oucch, I agree with you all, that is a TIGHT space. If ATC put them there, expect the goverment to get involved. If not, who will pick up the tab for the damage?

Is this the 1st 145 written off??

MCOflyer



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19321 times:

Wow... and I thought that was fake...

Obviously the ERJ is a writeoff, but if it's just a winglet, which is all I can see, isn't that a quick fix for the 744???



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19204 times:

I think its a easy mx job with the right facilities. Expect the plane to be ferried to FRA as they are a STAR alliance airline and have good mx facilities to do such a repair.

Anyone else share the same feeling or similiar about a repair like this? Whats the time it takes to change a winglet? Acouple of days?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19164 times:

I'd think they would remove the damaged winglet at MAD and then fly her back to BKK.


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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18858 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 19):
Expect the plane to be ferried to FRA as they are a STAR alliance airline and have good mx facilities to do such a repair.

I hope you were talking about the B744 and not the ERJ  Wink



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18808 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 20):
I'd think they would remove the damaged winglet at MAD and then fly her back to BKK.

Correct. B744s can fly minus 1 winglet with a performance penalty. You can even fly with pax but I doubt that would happen. What they have to do before ferrying is to check the wing to make sure the damage is really superficial. I'm surprised at the relatively minor damage sustained by the Thai vs the state of that ERJ. A write off is my bet for that weasel.



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User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 18236 times:

This is becoming a habit.

Aug 2003:
BANGKOK, Apr 20 (TNA) – Thai Airways International Public Company Limited (THAI) and Singapore Airlines were at loggerheads today following an incident yesterday afternoon in which two planes clipped wings at Bangkok’s Don Muang Airport. There were no injuries in the incident, which occurred when Singapore Airlines' flight SQ68, which was taxiing to a gate, clipped wings with THAI's flight 602, as it travelled to the runway for takeoff.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 18214 times:

Well I'm off to the airport, if I can get a WiFi connection I'll let you guys know if I see anything from Terminal 4 (S).


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25 Geo772 : A 747 winglet is pretty easy to change, the aircraft can fly without any problem with one missing in revenue service, however its fuel burn goes up a
26 Post contains images Dcrusafon : Here you have more pictures I received via email... There was a NOTAM at the airport saying that the taxiway he was using was restricted to airplanes
27 Cloudyapple : I believe you meant smaller than the A319. That should include all A32x/B73x. ICAO Code C that is. The restriction should be clearly marked out on th
28 AirbusA346 : If the taxiway was restricted, then what was the 744 doing down there. Tom.
29 Post contains images Junior747 : From what I can understand...it all boils down to why the Thai B744 was on that taxiway. So obviously, either the crew or the ATC are gonna get the bl
30 TGV : Was the AS plane in a wrong location ? Or was it moving ? If, as it seems to be the case in this MAD incident, the AF plane was parked correctly, I h
31 Atnight : How exactly did it happen? the wing of the B744 seems super strong to cut through the whole tail of the small aircraft! I imagine the pilots of the TG
32 N754PR : As a pilot friend explained to me today the TG crew are at fault even if they had been given the wrong taxiway as they should be keeping their eyes ou
33 HikesWithEyes : The AS gate was parked at the gate, and the person operating the pushback on the UAL 777 pushed the 777 so its wing impacted the verticle stabilizer
34 XA744 : Well, back in 1997 we had a MAS 744 with the left winglet clipped by a catering truck at LAX. After a 5 hour delay and the winglet being removed, the
35 TGV : The AS gate was parked at the gate, and the person operating the pushback on the UAL 777 pushed the 777 so its wing impacted the verticle stabilizer
36 HikesWithEyes : UAL has always been pretty arrogant towards AS, and this was just another example of what they thought they could get away with. I don't know what th
37 Fermarta : A321 EC-JRE flying for Hola Airlines to ACE. Saludos.
38 AlitaliaMD11 : When I was driving into MAD this morning I managed to see the tail of the damaged 747-400 parked on a remote stand. Regarding a chartered aircraft, th
39 Post contains links and images AlitaliaMD11 : Here's a shot of the 767 but I doubt it was the aircraft for Thai. I couldn't manage to read the reg. The Thai 747-400 had its winglet removed at MAD
40 Cloudyapple : That is correct. Pilots are responsible for separation with ground objects, including parked aircraft. Because the tower cannot see everything on the
41 Mason : I didn't even know TG flew to MAD. Shows how much I know. Even IF the AF aircraft was parked incorrectly, it should still be TG's fault, at least part
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