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NW Outsourced Stations, Dates And Cities  
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9333 times:

Group 1:

12.Sept.06

BZN, MOT, AUS

Group 2:

10.Oct.06

LSE BDL SDF

Group 3:

17.oct.06

DLH, BIL, DAY, MHT, SMF, LIT, PVD


Group 4:

24.Oct.06

TVC, CVG, SLC, MBS, MSO, DSM, ALB

Group 5:

31.Oct.06

ABE,FAR, CID, GPT, BUF, JAX, OKC

Group 6:

07.Nov.06

LAN, FSD, FWA, BHM, SYR, ABQ, ROC

Group 7:

14.Nov.06

BIS, OMA, SUX, RDU, RIC, COS, SAT

Group 8:

28. Nov.06

GFK, TYS, PBI, MIA, CLT, BOI, MDT

Group 9:

05.Dec.06

RST, SAN, GSP, SBN, BTR, GTF, CLE

Group 10:

12.Dec.06

AZO, SNA, TUS, ORF, HPN, JAN, FCA

Group 11:

19.Dec.06 -

GEG, RAP, VPS, GSO, SJC, PIT, ICT

There you have it.

So all in all 69 cities will lose NW ground people, as of right now 7 stations will be taken over by ZW and 13 by XJ (for now)

[Edited 2006-07-16 04:50:16]


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9298 times:

Well I guess I better contact my friends at NW in ABQ, and find out what they are going to do. I wish all NW ground staff at these stations good luck. Outsourcing.....is wrong wrong wrong....but thats my opinion.


A line is evidence that other people exist.
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9290 times:

Is it possible the NW could outsource their ground work to CO? or will it be outsourced to an express carrier?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineFdex727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

Any word yet on who will handle GSO, CLT and RDU. Also, will CO continue to ground handle NW in GSO.

User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

Is this both customer and ramp service? Re: ZW - - AirWisconsin handling NW? They're not related in any way. That's odd.

User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Thread starter):
So all in all 69 cities will lose NW ground people, as of right now 7 stations will be taken over by ZW and 13 by XJ (for now)

Does it appear that most cities will become staffed like this, by NW Express groundcrews or be outsourced to other airlines?



OttoPylit


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9238 times:

So who will be ground handling NW in ABE?

Why did you say that 13 were being taken over by XJ (for now)?

Rob


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 9159 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 6):
Why did you say that 13 were being taken over by XJ (for now)?

XJ has to survive first, other then what I posted, I don't have anymore details.

Quoting Fdex727 (Reply 3):
Also, will CO continue to ground handle NW in GSO.

GSO has NW employee's of some sort, otherwise it wouldnt be on the list.

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 1):
Outsourcing.....is wrong wrong wrong....but thats my opinion.

I fully agree

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Is it possible the NW could outsource their ground work to CO? or will it be outsourced to an express carrier?

Whoever bids lowest.

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 4):
Is this both customer and ramp service?

Yes everything, which is just sad.

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 4):
ZW - - AirWisconsin handling NW? They're not related in any way

If they bid the lowest

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 5):
Does it appear that most cities will become staffed like this, by NW Express groundcrews or be outsourced to other airlines?

Again, whoever bids the lowest.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 9091 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Quoting Fdex727 (Reply 3):
Also, will CO continue to ground handle NW in GSO.

GSO has NW employee's of some sort, otherwise it wouldnt be on the list.

It might be a representative of NW such as a station manager or supervisor.


User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 9019 times:

Are the ground employees being relocated if they want to, or are they just being laid off?

User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
GSO has NW employee's of some sort, otherwise it wouldnt be on the list.

The CSR's at GSO are full NW employees, and very nice people at that. However, NW hasn't had a mainline jet into GSO in almost a year. It is hard to keep staffing express stations with full-pay mainline employees when your competitors are staffing them with lowly-paid express employess.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineAZFlyer84 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Outsourcing in such a huge manner is never a good situation, you always save money, but service is a huge factor. It depends on the situation though, if you are merely replacing express people with stations that just have express, there are few problems. But if you contract out to another carrier, problems occur. The lack of care for the customers and procedures will come into conflict. Basically NW keeps heading down the way to chapter 7. I really hoped the management team wouldn't outsource, but they did, and with this goes morale, and with morale goes the airline. Let's hope that our fellow airline friends can find new jobs, maybe a new airline. But for many a end of such a great career. Best luck to the future of NW and its' great people who have stood by its' side for so many years.

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

UA in TUS is supposed to have gotten the contract...I know that we at US bid for it but it involved using their existing ticket counter and gates. UA submitted a bid that would allow NW to give back the counter and gates. Last I heard there was a problem with the union though, both airlines use the same one and UA would be considered scabs or something like that. Great bunch of people we have in TUS...many have been there for literally decades. It's very sad.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8815 times:

That's too bad,I flew NW out of GSO last May on a DC-9 that was packed.Outsourcing is wrong....


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8804 times:

Courtesy: The Bismarck Tribune

Airline Employees May Be Replaced With Contract Workers

http://bismarcktribune.com/articles/2006/07/15/news/local/117814.txt


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2):
Is it possible the NW could outsource their ground work to CO?

One city this cannot be done is in Sacramento. Both Delta Airlines and Continental Airlines are in different terminals. In addition Delta Airlines alreadys handles Hawaiian Airlines at SMF as well.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

I also forgot to mention UA is outsourcing, despite all the flights they have a day to Colorado Springs, they will be getting rid of people here too.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8713 times:

I feel sorry for all the folks that will loose their jobs...and their benefits from NW.

It's going to be especially hard for those that loose their jobs around the holidays.


User currently offlineFdex727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8687 times:

As for GSO there are NW employees inside, but CO has always handled the ramp for everyone but DL in the North terminal.

User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Does anyone know if OH is bidding on the midwest cities? They're hungry for revenue.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
I also forgot to mention UA is outsourcing, despite all the flights they have a day to Colorado Springs, they will be getting rid of people here too.

Are they going to use Skywest employees then? Also, is UA going to dump their only mainline flight into there too?


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

I'm glad PDX isn't on the list. Those NW employees are good people, and the last thing I want to see is yet another airline go to contract work.

User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8609 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 16):
I also forgot to mention UA is outsourcing, despite all the flights they have a day to Colorado Springs, they will be getting rid of people here too.

Who told you this?


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 15):
this cannot be done

As James Bond said.."never say never"...
With NW management, there is always a way.....and its theirs.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 22):
Who told you this?

Ramp,
GSO,IND & COS are on the chopping block..RFPs are due on monday, would bet that SKYWEST will bid on cos as they have a crew and mx base there...chautauqua in my opinion would want ind..iirc arent they hq there???



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25 Fdex727 : I don't think they have any ground crew employees. GSO would not suprise me as I transferred out right after 9/11 thinking express would take over. T
26 Post contains images Clipper707 : It is a sad day with the airlines once again. Many good people will loose their jobs and maybe everything they have worked so hard for. Looks like a g
27 Ramprat74 : This is the first I have heard of this. Well this sucks. I know some of these stations are down to one mainline a day. We, here in PDX are keeping ou
28 DesertAir : I am not suprised to see TUS on the list...with one flight a day, two during the winter months. US does the ground work for CO if I am not mistaken. S
29 Trvlr : Does "outsourcing" at stations out of reach of the likes of ZW and XJ (SJC, SAN etc) necessarily mean that other airlines will handle NW? I ask becaus
30 DTWAGENT : This is not good.... What about TOL... Are they express employees or main line? Chuck
31 Nwafflyer : Really, one of the worst things going on here -- high seniority keeps your job, so it doesn't matter if your station is going away or staying. If you
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : TOL is currently a Mesaba station. That is true, high senority can bump lower senority at other stations. The question becomes how many people are wil
33 MtnWest1979 : So what does that have to do with anything? All they would have do do is go back and forth between terminals. And if there were same general flight t
34 AJMIA : Wow this is just a crime. I feel soo bad for the NW employees. How many stations will remain with NW employees? What is the criteria for a station to
35 AirRyan : I saw the ad in the paper last weekend for ramp workers here in AUS - $8.50 an hour to start! What a deal - if I can overtime and work 80 hours a week
36 OMA2FAI2SAV : How is NW to work with? I ask this question because, here in SAV NW was staffed by NW employees. Then they went to all Airlink flights, and were outso
37 PSU.DTW.SCE : About 40 stations will remain with NW employees. The criteria being the station had to have 50 or more mainline flights per week. So roughly 5-6 daily
38 Cory6188 : I don't know about US, but as far as CO goes, there really isn't much of a difference between CO employees and ExpressJet employees, at least those t
39 M404 : Burnsie .. What is your source. No. I'm not doubting you in the least. In fact, I've been waiting to see how NW employees would find out first, from N
40 DavestanKSAN : CO and DL are already outsourced at SAN. A company named GAT does their ramp. I've heard ATS (another contact company) might pick up the NW contract.
41 Indy : Don't know about COS and GSO but its highy unlikely that the crew here will be outsourced. IND is NW's 4th largest domestic operation. Back on the 13
42 Gift4tbone : Well, as a current Aramark employee who does Delta, Spirit, and helps NW, and I will be going to DTW on wen for the physical to work directly for NW,
43 M404 : Actually, the new contract states that the remaining stations MAY go as high as 50% PT depending on operational viability. Supposedly MEM ramp has bee
44 Gift4tbone : May go? So its not definate? Thats not what the guys here have told me, but there is only six of them, so they may be a little out of the loop. That
45 Flyboyaz : Oh no kidding! The CSR's in IAH are pretty miserable too...I've been treated so poorly as a nonrev by them countless times. The mainline FA's I think
46 John : And there goes NW's customer service...right down the shitta!
47 RL757PVD : One thing that comes to mind is the rumored BDL-AMS. BDL has 48-49 weekly mainline flights (just below the threshold). I would imagine if they were go
48 Isitsafenow : Well, the jury(that's the users of NW) hasn't convened yet. Clients of NW who use the carrier at least once a month will make that call early next ye
49 TOLtommy : Mesaba handles int'l flights now at DTW and MSP. Canada is still intl, right? Procedures are already in place, just needs to go to a larger scale. FW
50 Apodino : When are airlines going to realize that outsourcing does not work? Notice USAirways for example. They did outsource much of their work, but since Park
51 Goaliemn : Swissair did a great job at LGW when I was there earlier this month. not all outsourcing means the service level will drop. If you use a good company
52 NikonDFW : I agree with what your saying. However, as long as you have people willing to drive all the way out to the airport to work for $7-$9 an hour with lit
53 ABQopsHP : Like I said at the top.....outsourcing is wrong. If you recall in the mid 90s CO/HP had the synergy thing going. Some HP employees would go out of the
54 A330323X : Exactly which outsourced fleet service (ramp) stations has Parker insourced? (Hint: it's none.)
55 RIOJANEIRO : Parker hasn't to my knowledge insourced any new fleet service, but he certainly has brought steadily more and more reservations back inhouse. He speci
56 Post contains images Burnsie28 : He's talking about UA Northwest...
57 Indy : My bad. Blonde moment. No offense to blondes. lol That also explains a few other contract changes here like F9 getting their own luggage office.[Edit
58 Ca2ohHP : Sure they have, MCI to name one.
59 Bobnwa : Never happened!!
60 Delta767 : So does this mean that the ticket agents at these stations will remain? Seems like very confusing branding to me if you have another airline handling
61 JDJ : Does anyone know how much an airline spends on background checks and badging? I have to imagine between that, the time spent by management interviewin
62 Post contains images Ca2ohHP : Yeah I have to agree. However, from the Air Carrier's side, you spend A LOT of time managing your ground handler....and on top of that, you run into
63 Apodino : Exactly why outsourcing doesn't work. Welcome to my RU list.
64 DeltAirlines : NW didn't get any refurbished gates at GSO. The concourse that they are in got an addition, but those new gates are all either Delta gates or unoccup
65 Post contains images Philly : This list is pretty accurate. It is still strange to see (finally) it posted somewhere. I work in one of the cities mentioned. In most cases the stati
66 Philly : It hasn't been decided (or told to us yet) as of 7/21/06. COEX, OH and the airport authority had put in for it. Rumor has it possibly 9E but no confi
67 JmhLUV2fly : If you know any 9E exectives ask them if when they opted to outsource in Pensacola, Florida from 3/25/2004-5/31/2005 how well that decision panned out
68 Bobnwa : You must belong to one of the employee groups that elected to receive preferred stock rather than common stock as a lot of employee groups did. These
69 Philly : I am indeed in the IAM. I was one of the few fortunate ones that sold what I could when I could in 1998 and took the hit for selling early. Lucky me.
70 DTWAGENT : Question. Please don't get upset at me. If they (NWA) is outsourceing here in the United States, are they going to be doing it in places like LGW, FRA
71 Post contains images FlyGuyClt : Did that years ago in Europe. Safe Flying
72 Burnsie28 : Anyone else get the feeling that perhaps the outsourcing might not last too long, I have a feeling that these companies, whos people wont care about t
73 Bobnwa : NWA (passenger) has not had any employees in Europe for many years as it is all handled by KLM. The reverse situation is true in the U.S. where KLM h
74 Airlinebrat : Why doesn't NW outsource upper management. Their history of bad decisions seem to be loosing the airline the most amount of money. You would think tha
75 Bobnwa : Compared to who? [Edited 2006-07-23 23:23:51]
76 WesternA318 : Airserv has been rumored to do the ground work for NWA here in SLC..
77 N766UA : Delta has a bid in here at CLE for the ramp contract.
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