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Report: Emirates To Buy 10 X B748-F  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4148 posts, RR: 90
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11703 times:
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Reuters is carrying the following report;

LONDON, July 16 (Reuters) - Dubai-based airline Emirates [EMAIR.UL] is set to announce it will buy 10 of the latest version of the Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) 747 jumbo in a deal worth $2.8 billion at list prices, industry sources said on Sunday.

The airline is set to buy the cargo version of the plane, called the 747-8, the sources said, adding an announcement was possible on Tuesday at the Farnborough International Airshow near London.


http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...-36_L1668696&type=comktNews&rpc=44

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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11634 times:

Wow, from 2 A388Fs to 10 748Fs...now that would represent a change in business plan.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11619 times:

That's really good news


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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11619 times:

Good news for Boeing, bad for A388F.

User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4148 posts, RR: 90
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11574 times:
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Quoting Leelaw (Reply 1):
Wow, from 2 A388Fs to 10 748Fs...now that would represent a change in business plan.

Not to forget 8 x 772Fs they ordered last year. Seems that they intend to build their own cargo network without Atlas over the course of time.

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11574 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Reuters is carrying the following report;

LONDON, July 16 (Reuters) - Dubai-based airline Emirates [EMAIR.UL] is set to announce it will buy 10 of the latest version of the Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) 747 jumbo in a deal worth $2.8 billion at list prices, industry sources said on Sunday.

The airline is set to buy the cargo version of the plane, called the 747-8, the sources said, adding an announcement was possible on Tuesday at the Farnborough International Airshow near London.

thanks for the link PanAm_DC10....... Smile

It would have been nice however if EK purchased some of the -I (pax) version too.......

Well..regardless, its a check Boeing is going to get for the 747-8 program.. thumbsup 



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
It would have been nice however if EK purchased some of the -I (pax) version too.......

EK seems to like to buy lots of a single model/family. I don't think they can take that much additional capacity for the 747. Maybe if they reduced the sizes of the A380 and 773ER orders they could take some 747-8I's.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11472 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
EK seems to like to buy lots of a single model/family. I don't think they can take that much additional capacity for the 747. Maybe if they reduced the sizes of the A380 and 773ER orders they could take some 747-8I's.

I agree...but hey, with EK, one just never knows... spin 



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User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

EK dumped 2 388Fs and goes for the 10 B748Fs, that shows how much advantage 748F hold over the A388F counter part.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8):
EK dumped 2 388Fs and goes for the 10 B748Fs, that shows how much advantage 748F hold over the A388F counter part.

Well what type of cargo operator does EK want to be? Package or general?

Maybe they have decided that the A388F isn't right for their cargo strategy.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30925 posts, RR: 87
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10950 times:
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DXB looks to me to be well-placed to serve the EU and Asia, so perhaps EK feels they don't need the range the A388F offers over the 748F when both are at max payload? Also, the 777F and 748F will better fit into the existing cargo infrastructure at airports, so perhaps the Boeing products offers them greater flexability in terms of scheduling?

User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
DXB looks to me to be well-placed to serve the EU and Asia,

I would add Africa to that list.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10641 times:

Good if true. Boeing needs some sales for the Jumbo Not Yet.

User currently offlineEraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10527 times:

Damn this is great but will someone PLEASE order pax 747-8i. PLZZZZZ

desmond.



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

Good for Boeing!

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 8):
EK dumped 2 388Fs and goes for the 10 B748Fs, that shows how much advantage 748F hold over the A388F counter part.

Yeah, judging from those numbers it must be that the B748F is five times better than the A388F.  Wink Actually, "dumped" is a strong word... they "converted" to A388s.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
DXB looks to me to be well-placed to serve the EU and Asia, so perhaps EK feels they don't need the range the A388F offers over the 748F when both are at max payload?

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User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 3):
Good news for Boeing, bad for A388F.

Apples and oranges to me. Do apple sellers fret when customers buy some oranges (and vice versa)? I don't think so.


User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
Well what type of cargo operator does EK want to be? Package or general?

I do not know, but how many package cargo carrier in the world, as compared to the general cargo? If A380 is "designed" just for package carrier, I would not expect a success for A380F.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
Maybe they have decided that the A388F isn't right for their cargo strategy

Exactly, which means that 747-8F is more flexible and offers better economic for their cargo strategy, as a general cargo operator.

Quoting Art (Reply 15):
Apples and oranges to me

Not really apples and oranges. Both of them are very large cargo airplane. It's more like Fuji and Empire apples to me, not 1 to 1 replacement but close enough. The fact that EK dumps A380F for 747-8F, shows that the two aircrafts are comparable.

Cheers,
PP



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

Quoting Art (Reply 15):
Apples and oranges to me. Do apple sellers fret when customers buy some oranges (and vice versa)? I don't think so.

Are you kidding me? They are both the biggest cargo planes around and they are direct competitors so that's herdly apples and oranges.


User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10257 times:

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 16):
If A380 is "designed" just for package carrier, I would not expect a success for A380F.

Here's my take...

The A388F is designed for 5600 nm range. That's what is not currently in demand, judging from orders thus far.

When "abusing" the A388F on ~ 4000 nm segments, only package carriers can make it work by taking advantage of the extra volume.


User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

747-8F will definitly succed as a cargo fighter. This will bring the orderbook to 28 747-8F and one 747-8i

User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 17):
Quoting Art (Reply 15):
Apples and oranges to me. Do apple sellers fret when customers buy some oranges (and vice versa)? I don't think so.

Are you kidding me? They are both the biggest cargo planes around and they are direct competitors so that's herdly apples and oranges.

I humbly beg to differ. As I understand it, the A380 beats the 748F on volume; the 748F beats the A380 on weight and which one suits an operator better depends on that operator's mission profiles.

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 16):
Quoting Art (Reply 15):
Apples and oranges to me

Not really apples and oranges. Both of them are very large cargo airplane. It's more like Fuji and Empire apples to me, not 1 to 1 replacement but close enough. The fact that EK dumps A380F for 747-8F, shows that the two aircrafts are comparable.

I can see that EK would go for the 748F if it suited their needs better. Was the 748F available when they ordered the A380F? No. Makes sense to me for them to switch their 2 A380F's to pax versions under such circumstances. Furthermore, they avoid any cancellation costs for the A380F's.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10064 times:

Good for EK and Boeing - glad to see another order for the 747-8, hope we will see some more in Farnborough. Hopefully we will see some orders for the passenger version.
I can see orders from some Asian carriers (both cargo and passenger) and very likely Lufthansa will finally place an order.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9861 times:

A surprising and wonderful news for Boeing!!!!!


I wonder if they will buy the 747-8 Intercontinental later on?



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User currently offlineLotsamiles From United States of America, joined May 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9795 times:

This is clearly a vote of no confidence in the A388F if EK is going to take on a new fleet in the 748F. Yes, they have 744's now but they are all on ACMI and thus not EK's to crew or maintain, etc.

Perhaps the nose door is critical to EK's operations since they might have otherwise ordered more 777-200LRF's.

Lotsamiles


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30925 posts, RR: 87
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9795 times:
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Quoting JAL (Reply 22):
I wonder if they will buy the 747-8 Intercontinental later on?

I believe it has both too much capacity (compared to the 773ER) and too little (compared to the A388) to meet EK's requirements, since they have never bothered to add passenger 744 planes in the interim while waiting for the 777 and A380.


25 Nudelhirsch : At the same time, the 2 380F were ditched in favor of pax versions, so here the 380 clearly "wins" against the 748i... Bad news for Boeing? Nah... Dif
26 Jupiter2 : As I prepare to run for cover...... EK will need all the freighters to haul the general freight that the 380 will leave behind. EK have said it themse
27 Glom : That's why we're calling it the Jumbo Not Yet.
28 We're Nuts : Is that a royal "We"?
29 Post contains images Halibut : Concur Eraugrad02, I am still quite puzzled as to why no pax 747-8 orders ??? However, 10 X 747-8F orders is certainly good for Boeing .... Boeing's
30 BoomBoom : No, but apple growers fret when customers buy oranges. Are you saying the 748 is going to be a year late, like the A380?
31 BoeingFever777 : GREAT NEWS FOR BOEING & 747-8F PROGRAM AND EK! Highly doubt that after all the delays Airbus has had with getting EK their A380's. It would be suicide
32 Atmx2000 : Given that the entire A380 program is pushed back, if EK wants to get its A388 passenger fleet closer to the size they originally planned for in 2009
33 PolymerPlane : How does cancelling A388F and switching to A388 pax help Airbus increases the production rate? Cheers, PP
34 Glideslope : Well, this is more like burning the Apple Orchard and planting a Citrus Grove.
35 Post contains images DfwRevolution : No customer has infinite money to buy whatever fruit they want. In that perspective, money spent on apples is money not spent on oranges. Likewise, m
36 Post contains images DfwRevolution : And now they can deliver replacement engines in-house for when an A380 breaks-down
37 Atmx2000 : When EK switched slots to the A388 from the A388F, they said they wanted to protect their delivery slots. And that was before the big program delay a
38 Atmx2000 : When EK switched slots to the A388 from the A388F, they said they wanted to protect their delivery slots. And that was before the big program delay a
39 BoeingFever777 : OK that is great... Why did you quote me? You made no sense.
40 Post contains images FXramper : Boeing 1 Airbus 0 Glad to see the 748F is gonna fly.
41 Coa747 : Everybody keeps talking about the A380F's range advantage but I don't think that is much of an advantage. The 747-400ERF can already bypass ANC or oth
42 ZK-NBT : This would indeed be a good score for the 748F if the order goes ahead. Personally I thought EK would probably go with the 777F and the A380F, and con
43 Post contains images PlaneHunter : When the GP powerplant breaks down, of course. PH
44 Columba : Not quite true but I won�t go into another A vs B argument. As I said good for Boeing glad to see some more orders for the 747-8 and hope that s
45 Manni : Advantages, 1) Flying (as example) ICN-JFK direct covers less distance than ICN-ANC-JFK, both ways. 2) Reduced flight times. 3) No extra handling, ai
46 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Perhaps the initial report was not quite correct as per the following report; Emirates Airlines will launch the passenger version of the 747-8 with a
47 Post contains links KC135R : Interesting indeed, if it pans out, but I wonder because the Reuters article that this article refers to clearly says the "insider" information is th
48 Slz396 : Looks like once again, we have a conflict of information from 2 respected sources. Sounds very similar to the situation we had last year, when FI repo
49 PanAm_DC10 : It does appear to come down to the sources but I just watched a live interview with Mr Randy Baseler of Boeing on Bloomberg AV, a subscription only se
50 EK156 : Most probably I'm going to get flamed for saying this or my post might get deleted but I have to say this nonetheless.. I just find it very funny to s
51 Lumberton : It's not "funny" so much as necessary, since this is essentially a duopoly--particularly in the 130+ seats and above segments. But I must agree with
52 Pavlin : You can say it, afterall it is a forum. But I think is ordering planes for their own good. They just need them.
53 Zeke : I did post on here last year, they were looking at 50 744Fs then.
54 Pavlin : Are you for real?
55 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Well we'll know tomorrow for sure; By Will McSheehy July 17 (Bloomberg) -- Emirates, the biggest Arab airline, will announce an aircraft order at the
56 RAPCON : Yes they do, if the apple crop is rotten.
57 DfwRevolution : Well really, the GP7000 doesn't fit inside the 747 without partial disassembly. The Trent 900 can be transported as a single unit within the 747. Wha
58 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Thanks PanAm_DC10..... now we'll have to wait until tomorrow...aargh!
59 Cloudyapple : Flight International has it as 5 B748Fs firmed + 5 B748F options
60 Coa747 : Yes and this may be great for some cargo carriers like Korean but for others it won't make any difference. UPS and FedEx and others don't just use pl
61 Manni : And both have the A380F on order already. How many and which airlines are you talking about? CX? SQ? BR? CI? LH? OZ? MH? NH? JL? AF? KL? Or just NW,
62 Post contains links VirginFlyer : This has now been confirmed as an order for 10 747-8Fs: Emirates Confirm Order For 10 X B747-8F (by PanAm_DC10 Jul 18 2006 in Civil Aviation) Please c
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