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Rumor DC10 To Fight SoCal Fire Today!  
User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Just talked with some folks fighting the big fires in San Bernardino County today and they tell me that a DC 10 is going to be flying out of the US Forest Service Fire Tanker Base at SBD today. I was there yesterday and took some pictures of the Orions and Neptunes. If I can verify and get a picture of the DC10 I'll try to upload it...

Check out these links for some cool fire maps:

http://calmast.org

http://www.esri.com/disaster_response/journalistmaps.html

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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

That would be nice to see actually fighting a fire.  bouncy 


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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

How does the DC10 pick up water then? Surely with the underslung engines it wouldn't be able to pick it up from a lake or the sea?

Would it have to return to "somewhere" and refilled via a tap into the water supply? Wouldn't that take far too long to be any use in putting the fire out?

 confused 

R


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting RobK (Reply 2):
Would it have to return to "somewhere" and refilled via a tap into the water supply? Wouldn't that take far too long to be any use in putting the fire out?

Yes and no. Fire hydrants can discharge around 1500 to 2000 gallons a minute. It would take about 17 minutes to fill the DC-10 from a standard hydrant. Less time with larger plumbing.

Mark

[Edited 2006-07-16 20:24:13]

User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Rob: The DC10 has to go back to an airfield to get a refill. Takes 8 minutes. Some more details: http://www.airsider.com/files/2005/0605/010/airtanker.htm

Michael


User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

....'Bout time...............all they have to do is fly by at level flight just high enough not to kill anybody below, and make it rain!!!!...

Laugh at me know.....but why can't they use A-10 Warthogs, with minimal impact bombs, and crater the leading edge of the fires enough to thwart the rush of the fire, creating huge holes of dirt, in the fire line advance - I think it should be tried, as what else can they do...? Any experts out there that have thought of the same thing....? All it would take would be the top of a ridge-or just below- maybe 3-4 times, to cascade the dirt down the hill back towards the fire at strategic locations at the front of the fire.....it would eliminate most of the vegetation - then the Air tankers might be able to knock it down....until the hand crews can contain it............

SJC Alien


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting SJC-Alien (Reply 5):
Laugh at me know.....but why can't they use A-10 Warthogs, with minimal impact bombs, and crater the leading edge of the fires enough to thwart the rush of the fire, creating huge holes of dirt,

And if a few of the bombs are duds, you've then got a bunch of UXO scattered around for the firefighters to deal with.



USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
User currently offlineSJC-Alien From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

....only a few should be dropped anyways, I didn't say drop a 1,000 bombs. Military ordanance people can attend and help out.... it's not like the fire scene would be littered with UXO, so I don't see it as a problem. Besides, if the FD's are anywhere keen to 'training' their FF's, then they know to look out for them...and not walk up and hit it with an axe. Wink

I think it should be done - one well placed air drop would definetly alter the vegetation that is burning. One thing for certain, the nay-sayers will debunk it because it's 'out of the box' thinking.

SJC Alien


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

According to the media, it flew Sunday and dropped retardant this time, not water.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/s...s_Local_D_heartzone17.1fdf423.html
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4060699



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineVisityyj From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

It costs $52000 a day ?  boggled 

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Where is Evergreens 747...last report was at Mojave after earlier tests. This would be a perfect sales time.

User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10):
Where is Evergreens 747...last report was at Mojave after earlier tests. This would be a perfect sales time.

Grrrr beat me to it!



I'd like to thank me for flying Me Airways...
User currently offline757dc10fltmech From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting Visityyj (Reply 9):
It costs $52000 a day ?

When not comparing it to the alternatives the number has little meaning.



CAN DO!
User currently offlineONTFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Hey all,

I am on a 48 hour break having just returned home from 4 straight days on the Millard fire which has since merged together with the Sawtooth fire. I can confirm that a DC-10 was used as it flew over my crew's and my own head at a low altitude and speed. I don't have any more specifics as to the exact drop location as we were busy dealing with structure protection at the time. Just wanted to let you know my observations from the front lines. Whatever your religious point of view may be, I ask for your thoughts for those still on the firelines and pray that the forecasted lighting storms for this afternoon do not materialize as that will create a whole nother set of issues. And that the temps. and winds relent soon. Thanks in advance. And now it's time for a long nap...Take care.

ONT



Doin' just fine thanks...
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

For those interested, the California Dept of Forestry has put out a press release and a fact sheet about their use of the DC-10.

What makes this significant is that the aircraft just got final certification for use yesterday and then took to the sky.

press release:
CDF Uses DC-10 to Drop Retardant on Sawtooth Fire
Jet Aircraft Marks Historic First for Firefighting
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/pub/cdf/images/incidentnews94_245.pdf

Fact sheet:
http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/pub/cdf/images/incidentnews94_246.pdf



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

I posted a thread about this the other day but it got deleted. I don't know why. Pretty good news for the DC-10 and 747 water bomber program though!

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 15):
I posted a thread about this the other day but it got deleted

It was a duplicate of this thread and this one was started first.

It'll be interesting if they use it to fight the Minnesota fire. It's a quick 100 miles to DLH (Duluth, MN) to refill.

Mark


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