HVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 405 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
I remember back a few years ago US had some mainline/Express flights out of JFK. When and why were they dropped, and what routes did they fly out of JFK?
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10555 posts, RR: 53 Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2600 times:
Those flights were set up to connect to BA's Concorde service (and their regular 747 service). When BA booted US for AA, US had no reason to keep serving JFK.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2564 times:
Dont forget that BA, at one time, had a signficant ownership interest in US. One service was a DHC8 that flew from DCA to JFK to connect to Concorde...it was a corrdinated connection and the flight was marketed as a special Concorde connecting flight. In earlier times, US flew out of JFK to PIT, and going way back to the Allegheny times, there were flights from JFK to upstate New York cities....for some reason, I remember US (or AL) operating out of the Pan Am terminal providing some feed to PA's overseas flights.
US dropped its shorthaul flights out of JFK simply because most passengers in the NYC area prefer the convience of LGA (where US has a big station) or EWR for domestic flying.....thus the limited services to JFK were dropped.
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2548 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2): for some reason, I remember US (or AL) operating out of the Pan Am terminal providing some feed to PA's overseas flights.
AL actually had an interline agreement with PA at JFK. I have a combined PA/AL timetable, with service from the AL cities to the PA cities from 1973. A VERY rare timetable and very interesting read.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2531 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
AL actually had an interline agreement with PA at JFK. I have a combined PA/AL timetable, with service from the AL cities to the PA cities from 1973. A VERY rare timetable and very interesting read.
Thanks so much for the confirmation....I thought that I remembered seeing AL D9S and possibly BAC111 aircraft parked at the Pan Am JFK terminal when I was a youngster.
CRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2531 times:
Until this year. Remember US did start a 3x daily service to and from CLT, for competition against B6.
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Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
I remember not to long ago (early 90's), US had a pretty signifigant presence at JFK. There were numerous flights from PIT, DCA, PHL, and even MCO, and YHZ were served. Not sure of CLT frequencies.
CRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2510 times:
Quoting Dutchjet: Good point......and HP serves JFK with flights to PHX and LAS, doesnt it?
Yes, that's how US got the slots so quickly they went through HP.Also all flights into JFK from CLT are operated by HP cabin crew and HP aircraft.
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USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2498 times:
Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 7): I remember not to long ago (early 90's), US had a pretty signifigant presence at JFK. There were numerous flights from PIT, DCA, PHL, and even MCO, and YHZ were served. Not sure of CLT frequencies.
YHZ has never been served by US Airways or any of its predecessor companies. I do recall a JFK-YOW run in the early '90s, that was one of Empire's former routes, acquired by Piedmont in 1986. The last US Airways flight to JFK before the merger was in late 1998 from MCO. It operated two days a week.
CRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
I remember when US served JFK, the current T2 is where they went from. Correct me if I am wrong, but they served JFK with a B762 if I remember right?
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Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2437 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 9): YHZ has never been served by US Airways or any of its predecessor companies. I do recall a JFK-YOW run in the early '90s, that was one of Empire's former routes, acquired by Piedmont in 1986. The last US Airways flight to JFK before the merger was in late 1998 from MCO. It operated two days a week.
My fault, I meant YOW. Do you happen to know why they operated that MCO flight?
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4089 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2425 times:
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Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 8): Yes, that's how US got the slots so quickly they went through HP.Also all flights into JFK from CLT are operated by HP cabin crew and HP aircraft.
Ca2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 8): Also all flights into JFK from CLT are operated by HP cabin crew and HP aircraft.
When they begin September 6, it will be Mesa aircraft and crew.
Flyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1691 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
BatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 724 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2335 times:
Allegheny use to fly ITH-JFK with BAC 1-11's. Empire also flew the route for many years with F-28's.
WidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 21 Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2311 times:
CentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2247 times:
Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 7): I remember not to long ago (early 90's), US had a pretty signifigant presence at JFK. There were numerous flights from PIT,
Does anyone think PIT-JFK will resume so that US can better compete with B6, or do you think US doesn't really care?
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CRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2210 times:
Quote: When they begin September 6, it will be Mesa aircraft and crew.
My fault. I realized later on terrible info.
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Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4089 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2132 times:
JFK is not slot restricted. They may have a shortage of gates at certain times, but they do not have slots. Any airline is free to add flights whenever they would like (assuming they have gates). DL did not need slots to start their Dash 8 flights, or B6 and their new routes all the time.
N905TW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 40 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2060 times:
Quoting WidgetBoi (Reply 16): Did US ever fly out of the TWA terminal?
USAir did fly out of TWA's International Terminal A, later known as Terminal 5. From what I remember they had 2 gates in Flight Wing 2. At one point it was Piedmont operating the flights to connect to TWA's evening International bank, and the PI flights were even included in the TWA timetables.
I can vividly remember a USAir DC9 or two at the gates, along with a Shorts 360. I would assume PHL and CLT were two of the destinations, but would have to find an old timetable to be sure.....
TheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
They also operated out of the BA terminal during that short lived marriage. I remember getting on a US DC-9 to PIT and looking over and WAY up at a BA 747 about to depart for LHR (and wishing I was on it too!)
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USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3265 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
Quoting N905TW (Reply 20): USAir did fly out of TWA's International Terminal A, later known as Terminal 5. From what I remember they had 2 gates in Flight Wing 2. At one point it was Piedmont operating the flights to connect to TWA's evening International bank, and the PI flights were even included in the TWA timetables.
I can vividly remember a USAir DC9 or two at the gates, along with a Shorts 360. I would assume PHL and CLT were two of the destinations, but would have to find an old timetable to be sure.....
USAir and Piedmont both had marketing deals with TWA. USAir's ended around early 1991, about the time TWA sold the LHR routes to AA. Both PI and AL had frequent-flyer partnerships with TWA. I do remember the USAir-codeshared flights from JFK to ALB, BUF, GSO, RDU, ROC, and SYR by TWA. After that, USAir moved into Terminal 7 with BA, as part of their alliance, which lasted until March 29, 1997, when it was terminated. US Airways pulled out of JFK about a year/year-and-a-half later.
The cities that USAir served from JFK included BWI, BUF, CLT, GSO, YOW, PHL, PIT, RDU, ROC, SYR, and DCA in the early 1990s. I'd have to look through my 1980s USAir scheds for that info.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22026 posts, RR: 51 Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2020 times:
Its designated as such by the FAA. Called the "High Density Rule" flight activity between 3pm - 7:59pm is restricted. One must hold a reservation or "exemption" to be able to operate during the time frame. http://www.fly.faa.gov/ecvrs/circulars/ac93-1eff100102.pdf
For instance when Jetblue was formed, it needed the help of several politicians including Senator Schumer to help grant it the required exemptions. http://www.dot.gov/affairs/1999/dot13999.htm
Even Neelman was quoted as saying
"JetBlue's very existence is in part a result of the 1994 FAA Reauthorization law which created slot exemptions at all High Density Rule airports"
Basically without the exemptions, there would be no Jetblue at JFK at least.
Airlines simply cannot start service at JFK during the 3-7:59pm range without holding the required slots.
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