Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16338 times:
From Dominic Gates of the Seattle Times:
Emirates Airlines will launch the passenger version of the 747-8 with an order today at the Farnborough Air Show, a highly placed source at the airline confirmed.
Reuters earlier reported the Emirates order will be for 10 of the 747-8 passenger jets.
The airline source said also that an Emirates order for A340-600s, which was suspended in March pending improvements to the airplane, will likely not materialize at all.
The Reuters story that I saw reported that the order was for 10 748Fs; if Mr. Gates' report is accurate, this news would certainly steal some of the thunder of the much anticipated announcement of the "A350 revamp."
Slz396 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16267 times:
Pretty cool! FINALLY a 747-8i PAX customer! That took an awful long time.
Also nice to (hopefully) see and end to the 748 vs A388 topics: EK just showing both fit nicely alongside eachother in a fleet (not surprising actually, with a seating difference of more than 100 pax)
Manni From Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4220 posts, RR: 25 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16240 times:
Sounds very familiar to another article, the difference being it was about freighters. Are EK going to order 20 748's today? Or did someone mess up here?
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1616 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16121 times:
EK sure do have a reputation for wanting nearly all the aircraft types! Did they not order 10 more 380's because of another delay of the craft by airbus?
I wonder how EK will be able to use all of these super jumbo's around the world when they get them?
Astuteman From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2005, 6244 posts, RR: 88 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16044 times:
Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter): if Mr. Gates' report is accurate, this news would certainly steal some of the thunder of the much anticipated announcement of the "A350 revamp."
This has to be shaping up to be the most interesting Farnborough Air Show ever . If this comes off, you are quite correct
Antskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 837 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15988 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 3): EK sure do have a reputation for wanting nearly all the aircraft types! Did they not order 10 more 380's because of another delay of the craft by airbus?
They are not going to make Pan Am's mistake of sticking to one manufacturer- in their case, Boeing. An exciting bit of news, if true.
Antonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15678 times:
Quoting Antskip (Reply 7): They are not going to make Pan Am's mistake of sticking to one manufacturer- in their case, Boeing. An exciting bit of news, if true.
I seem to remember PanAm always had a mixed fleet, certainly did when i worked for them
B727 B737 B747 DC10 A300 A310 L1011
Slz396 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 2464 posts, RR: 21 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15598 times:
Looks like the news of the 748i order by EK is based on a misinterpretation from a Reuters article by 'The Seattle Times'.
The Seattle Times said Reuters announced EK will order 10 748i passenger planes, but Reuters itself is reporting EK will announce an order for 10 cargo versions of the 748 passenger plane...
Seems somebody in Seattle has read 'passenger plane' and immediately thought 'pax version'.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15565 times:
Quoting Molykote (Reply 8): However, I would not be surprised in the least to find that this was just shoddy journalism (and that the order was actually for the freighter).
IMO, Mr. Gates has an excellent reputation to protect, and probably wouldn't put this item out without solid confirmation; however, in the end he's only human as evidenced by the fact that he did get the gravamen of yesterday's Reuters story wrong.
Ktachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1618 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15428 times:
There is just one thing that makes me worry about EK though.
Yes, they try to pick up all the new ac types. But one day, all the fleet are going to age rapidly. Well, I do hope they keep up this expansion (but I think there is a limit to everything).
Just my two cents.
So is it 10x 747-8 or 20 of a mix of 747-8 and 747-8F? Eitherway, that will be such a heavy fleet when they get that all. So many 777, 744F, 747-8, A380. DXB would replace NRT or LHR pretty soon with jumbos and super-jumbos.
Antskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 837 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15151 times:
Quoting Antonovman (Reply 9): I seem to remember PanAm always had a mixed fleet, certainly did when i worked for them
B727 B737 B747 DC10 A300 A310 L1011
Thank you! Point taken! I was thinking of the Pan Am's minor use of the DC-8, compared to the B707 - I think the DC-10's came from an airline purchase? Then the Lockheeds came along...I suppose my modified view is that, rightly or wrongly, Pan Am became associated with Being. I don't think EK will want to be associated to closely with Boeing or Airbus in any of its airline categories. So they go for both the A345's and the B777's; they will go both for the B787-10, and will also go for the A370; they have orderd the A380 - they will also go for the B747-8i.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15110 times:
Quoting Slz396 (Reply 10): Looks like the news of the 748i order by EK is based on a misinterpretation from a Reuters article by 'The Seattle Times'.
The Seattle Times said Reuters announced EK will order 10 748i passenger planes, but Reuters itself is reporting EK will announce an order for 10 cargo versions of the 748 passenger plane...
Seems somebody in Seattle has read 'passenger plane' and immediately thought 'pax version'.
The Reuters article said: "[o]fficials at Emirates and Boeing declined to comment on the matter."
Mr. Gates' story would to be appear original journalism, and not just a sloppy rewrite of yesterday's Reuters story (other than he should have written Reuters was reporting an order for the freighter version of the 748, a bad mistake), as he claims to have confirmation from a "highly placed source at the airline."
We'll know soon enough. Hopefully, for the sake of his good reputation for accuracy, he won't have to publish an embarrassing correction/retraction.
Oldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 1240 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14900 times:
10 748 of the passenger version on order?
Also if there would be such an order of 10 pax 748s, how poor is this? Beside of the cargo version, the 748 is a flop, so far.
Axel
[Edited 2006-07-17 12:28:39]
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ShowerOfSparks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14755 times:
Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 17): 10 748 of the passenger version on order?
Also if there would be such an order of 10 pax 748s, how poor is this? Beside of the cargo version, the 748 is a flop, so far.
Axel
Boeing has always said the 748 will be a low volume seller, that's why they refuse to spend a huge bundle of money replacing it with a new aircraft for a market that doesn't exist. There is a flop appearing at Farnborough, but it's not the 748.
Nudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1437 posts, RR: 27 Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14735 times:
Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 18): There is a flop appearing at Farnborough, but it's not the 748.
Wonder what that would be then? So far the other 'existing' (meaning: being sold) planes do well, especially sales-wise, and some paperplanes have their difficulties...
EK413 From Maldives, joined Nov 2003, 1533 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13609 times:
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Do EK currently operate the 744F?, or is that an Atlas wet lease deal?
Wet lease - Atlas Air....
I wish Qantas would applied the their scheme to the Atlas Air aircraft they have on wet lease! Any images of what the Freighter would look like in the QF scheme?
ShowerOfSparks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13468 times:
Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 19): Wonder what that would be then? So far the other 'existing' (meaning: being sold) planes do well, especially sales-wise, and some paperplanes have their difficulties...
So, Shower, what's going to be the flop?
I can't name the aircraft because everytime I do mention it by name the airliners.net censors remove my post, however think new aircraft which has stopped making sales and is late.
DeltaDC9 From United States, joined Apr 2006, 2821 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12969 times:
Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 17): Also if there would be such an order of 10 pax 748s, how poor is this? Beside of the cargo version, the 748 is a flop, so far.
How many 380s have been sold since the 748 was firmed up?
Which line is ramping up the rate of production and which line is backing off?
Which plane has out sold the other for the last 18 months?
Does a "flop" sell out production for years?
Care to define "flop"?
[Edited 2006-07-17 14:42:25]
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Cloudyapple From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jul 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12375 times:
Quoting B777ER (Reply 23): Hardly, 10 sales at the airshow compared to how many for the other plane..0.
Funny how people jump to silly conclusions on day 1.
Quoting B777ER (Reply 23): The number of sales the A380 has had in recent months. Hmmmm..that would be 0 in case you need help counting.
Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 22): How many 380s have been sold since the 748 was firmed up?
And funny how people jump to naive conclusions based on twisted facts (non-facts).
AirFrnt From United States, joined Jul 2004, 2520 posts, RR: 39 Reply 25, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12353 times:
Quoting Antskip (Reply 7): They are not going to make Pan Am's mistake of sticking to one manufacturer- in their case, Boeing. An exciting bit of news, if true.
Looks like the news of the 748i order by EK is based on a misinterpretation from a Reuters article by 'The Seattle Times'.
The Seattle Times said Reuters announced EK will order 10 748i passenger planes, but Reuters itself is reporting EK will announce an order for 10 cargo versions of the 748 passenger plane...
The Seattle Times typically has better sources and better aviation reporting then Reuters. Let's wait and see what gets announced.
26 N328KF: I dunno about that. I'd wager that some of the Cold War-era Farnborough/Paris (I consider them one show) shows were far more interesting. The EK orde
27 Oldeuropean: Boeing trys to offer it since 1999. Firstly it was called the 747-X. No airline had shown serious interest in a stretched 747 since then. Axel[Edited
28 Rpaillard: Hi all, Well, airlines are wise enough to wait & see before maybe considering the type. Now, we are 6-8 months before EIS. Sounds logical for me to wa
29 VirginFlyer: Actually no. That was a different aircraft, and it wasn't successful. Neither was the 747-500X/-600X, which were being offered before that. But all t
30 Oldeuropean: Sorry, but ShowerOfSparks made it into one: Axel
31 Jacobin777: Because at the time, the technology wasn't there..now because of the GEnx engine technologies, Boeing will be able to offer the plane which many of t
32 VirginFlyer: Yes, and everyone's had an opportunity to say their piece, and now we'll come back to the subject at hand: V/F
33 AirFrnt: There has actually been some interest in the 747X as well as the 747-500 and the 747-600. Just not enough to be commercially viable. I would argue th
34 DAYflyer: It will interesting if this is not simple confusion over the 747-8F order already announced. I think this reporter got his planes mixed up.
36 VirginFlyer: There hasn't been an announcement yet, has there? I was under the impression it was just another report. You're right, there is confusion, but I don'
37 PanAm_DC10: Well we'll know tomorrow for sure; By Will McSheehy July 17 (Bloomberg) -- Emirates, the biggest Arab airline, will announce an aircraft order at the
38 RAPCON: I wonder which of the two models will get 10 deliveries to Emirates first. My bet is on the 747-8.
39 AirRyan: Now that NW has reached a TA with the FA's, well let's just say that NW is definately interested in the new 747 adanced and when you look at their his
40 DeltaDC9: Care to back that up with some facts and not just naive conclusions based on twisted facts? There is nothing naive about my comment, the 380 CLEARLY
41 Columba: Dc 8, Dc 10, L1011, A300, A310 and early A320 customer (which were never delivered). You are right they could make Pan Am´ s mistake by taking all a
42 Leigh pilgrim: Wait till that aircraft starts flying commercially and airlines fill those seats, I can see the orders racing in, just look at the 747, that had trou
43 Manni: 13 months now. They booked 3 customers last year and still have 5,5 months to go this year. Looks like they're still on track, as far as this forecas
44 YULWinterSkies: I would say no IMHO. The US market is NOT leaning towards large planes. If MAYBE they order a few, I'd bet they would be positioned at their NRT hub
45 Jacobin777: Kingfisher ordered 5 at last year's Farnborough......
46 SJCRRPAX: Is it just me or does anyone else think that EK is a loose cannon? OK, maybe they know what they are doing, but I think that being government owned th
47 DeltaDC9: This is the root of the problem, The 747 was flying in a much shorter time frame than the 380, was a much bigger leap in size and technology, had far
48 7cubed: Wow, that is impressive! You know the thoughts and goings on of every airline on planet earth. I'll bet you moonlight on the "Psychic Friends Connect
49 Leelaw: Never-mind, after an inquiring e-mail from the threadstarter, Mr. Gates has modified (corrected) his article: Monday, July 17, 2006 - Page updated at
50 Oldeuropean: No reason to insult others. Wow, your post really has a worthwhile substance. Axel[Edited 2006-07-17 19:35:39]
51 DeltaDC9: Before those 5 dont you have to go back to January and UPS? I stand corrected, but you must admit it has been a long time, and I have slept since the
52 PlaneHunter: Such a mistake really shouldn't happen... PH
53 Oldeuropean: After reading the topic, the hearts of some here stopped beating for a short time. Now, everything goes it normal ways. Axel[Edited 2006-07-17 19:45:3
54 Jacobin777: Ok..I see what you are saying... ... I dont' think we'll see too much action on the A380 sales front (maybe a few here and there) until the plane sta
55 Ken777: An EK order for the 748i would be nice as I have always considered the plane as a replacement for the 744s. As a "replacement plane" the 748i would be
56 7cubed: No insult intended - just making a point. Not sure how your post I replied to had any "worthwhile substance" anyways.
57 Oldeuropean: -> Yes, sure! If this is the only way you make points you better keep them for yourself. About the substance: No 748i ordered so far! Axel
58 Legoguy: Last Farnborough = Farnborough 2004 = 2 years ago Is there any 747i orders yet? And will any possible orders be announced at farnborough?
59 Oldeuropean: It was last year in Le Bourget. No. Who knows? At least nobody at a.net. Axel[Edited 2006-07-17 20:20:48]
60 Legoguy: Doh! I never knew when Kingfisher ordered the a345's and a380's...just mentioning that the last farnborough was 2004
61 7cubed: Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 27): No airline had shown serious interest in a stretched 747 since then. This is the bs I take issues with. You made an em
62 Oldeuropean: If there was a serious interest, why wasn`t there any commitment? Be sure that Boeing decoys the airlines with dumping prices for launch customers. W
63 N844AA: In fact, I believe that's incorrect. One has been ordered. The customer is unidentified.
64 Jacobin777: yah..yah..you got me on the semantics of it all..but you know what I was talking about...
65 Oldeuropean: More likely not from an airline but from a Sheik to be converted into a luxury VIP aircraft. Axel
66 Legoguy: Hehehehe only one? Shows great commitment Honestly though no one can possibly tell if it will sell well. Only time will tell and we can only speculat
67 N844AA: Here I am, trying to address a substantive point, and this is the thanks I get.
68 N844AA: Fortunately for Boeing, by all accounts the program is well on its way to recouping development costs from -8F sales alone. It'll be interesting to s
69 Oldeuropean: I`m sorry. I understand what you mean. But, I stand at my point of view (no order of an airline) until I will be convinced by the opposite. That coul
70 Legoguy: I believe it will easily recover its development costs but possibly not by much. Only time will tell.
71 N328KF: As I (and others) have mentioned before, I think Boeing would be happy with just being able to do that, if the role if the 747-8 is to keep customers
72 Jacobin777: not to mention, bring bucket-full of dinero coming in too.......
73 Alaskaqantas: My uncle owns Line 7 cloth line company and he works with Emirates for Emirates team new Zealand sailing. Emirates want to go to more places in the U
74 777STL: I'd be surprised if EK actually operated these 748s themselves. My money is on them being leased out.
75 Manni: Sure, add to these 10 for UPS also the China Southern order for 5. But these are not the latest A380 orders...
76 VirginFlyer: This has now been confirmed as an order for 10 747-8Fs: Emirates Confirm Order For 10 X B747-8F (by PanAm_DC10 Jul 18 2006 in Civil Aviation) Please c
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