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ILFC Orders RR Trent-1000 For B787s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4095 posts, RR: 90
Posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3525 times:
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Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines have been chosen by International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC), the world's largest aircraft leasing company, to power up to 20 firm and option Boeing 787 Dreamliners in a deal potentially worth $600 million at list prices.

Seems that all of ILFCs firm orders have been covered by this agreement including their 4 options which are reported to be firmed by ILFC at some point during Farnborough.

Source: http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/search.jsp

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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

This is yet another vote of confidence towards the Trent family of power plants. Congratulations to both ILFC and RR and of course Boeing for those 4 extra B787 orders to be signed soon.

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 3248 times:
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This is great for RR. Since I expect ILFC to keep ordering the 787, this should be a nice long term win.

However... do recall swapping engines on the 787 is *far* easier than any other airliner (per the lessors demands). Why? The lessors were tired of getting stuck with airframes that had low demand due to not having the customers preference of engine (e.g., the 777).

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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4611 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 3177 times:

I don't believe NZ has firmed up it's engine choice for it's 787-9's; this might be a strong indicator of what they will do since there has been conjecture that they might lease some 787-8's , if so, very likely from ILFC.

User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 2):
However... do recall swapping engines on the 787 is *far* easier than any other airliner (per the lessors demands). Why? The lessors were tired of getting stuck with airframes that had low demand due to not having the customers preference of engine (e.g., the 777).

Yes, that's fine. If a customer wants to lease ILFCs 787s with GeNX engines, just buy GeNX powerplants and hang them on the Dreamliners. But, wait a moment: what to do the Trents and how to pay for the GeNX engines?

A350



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

As there is a gigantic financial and leasing company called, um, GE, it is slightly possible that they might specifiy, ahem, GE engines on their 787s  Wink

I wonder if ILFC will assume that GE will corner a lot of the GE powered market going forward. when planning future orders?



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Where does this put RR in terms of numbers vs GENx on this airframe?


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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 6):
Where does this put RR in terms of numbers vs GENx on this airframe?

From Wikipedia:

GEnX: 121
Trent: 109

The big fight will be which powerplant is chosen by Qantas. Seems both GE and Rolls Royce are sharing the 787's success. Terrific news! I'm wondering if AeroMexico's leased 787s are included in this deal?



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 3):
I don't believe NZ has firmed up it's engine choice for it's 787-9's

I'm pretty sure they've settled on the RR - http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060511d_nr.html

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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5197 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 7):
Terrific news! I'm wondering if AeroMexico's leased 787s are included in this deal?

AM most probably will order GE's as their B777 fleet!!! AM is also considering 02 more frames for del in 2011!!!

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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4611 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure they've (NZ) settled on the RR

You are right, I'd forgotten this particular press release..


User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Trent engines are just warmed over RB211 engines with no major design changes and their fuel burn will be higher than the GEnx.

At least GEnx engines are revolutionary with composite fan frames and composite fan blades with titanium leading edges. These blades have been well proven in the -90 series.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 7):
The big fight will be which powerplant is chosen by Qantas

The Chinese orders will be interesting too. RR I believe won all the A330 orders, but will the 787s all go to one supplier or will they be shared?



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User currently offlineNDSchu777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Check this out:

http://www.geaviation.com/aboutgeae/...resscenter/genx/genx_20060718.html

Looks like ILFC is also ordering GEnx for some of their 787's. Which makes sense since they are a leasing company and they would want to be flexible for their various customers with different engine preferences.


User currently offlineBA1978 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 11):
At least GEnx engines are revolutionary with composite fan frames and composite fan blades with titanium leading edges. These blades have been well proven in the -90 series.

Surely, if the GEnx are as revolutionary as you state, then by the definition of the word revolutionary, we wouldn't have already seen these blades proving themselves previously?

Are we to say the GEnx is a warmed over GE90 as well?



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User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

The GEnx will have a composite fan case and a new combustor.

User currently offlineTepidHalibut From Iceland, joined Dec 2004, 209 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting BOE773 (Reply 15):
The GEnx will have a composite fan case and a new combustor.

So basically, a warmed over GE90, with a couple of flashy features with negligible effect upon SFC ? And where are the revolutionary features? (As far as I know, neither fancases nor combustors rotate.)


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