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India And Singapore Revise Bilateral  
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

The authorities met in Singapore on the 11th and 12th of July. Here's what was signed off:


  • Designated airlines of Singapore have unlimited access to all 18 points in India (Including COK and TRV)
  • Designated airlines of India have unlimited access from the 18 points in India to Singapore
  • Designated airlines on either side shall be entitled to operate all-cargo services with no limitation on frequency, routing and capacity with any type of aircraft, with full 3rd, 4th and 5th freedom traffic rights
  • Meet within 6 months to sort out enhancement of 3rd/4th/5th freedom traffic rights, and code share arrangements

Good news for both India & Singapore!


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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Quoting Nimish (Thread starter):
Meet within 6 months to sort out enhancement of 3rd/4th/5th freedom traffic rights, and code share arrangements

Seems fairly liberal - what sort of enhancements would be needed?

Regarding the 'designated airlines' - are ownership and control provisions retained? i.e. Airlines must be substantially owned and effectively controlled by nationals of the respective countries?

Thanks  wave   Cool


User currently offlineSshank From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

This is great - this sounds like defacto open skies to me! I hope now SQ goes double daily to MAA.

Quoting Nimish (Thread starter):
The authorities met in Singapore on the 11th and 12th of July. Here's what was signed off:



Designated airlines of Singapore have unlimited access to all 18 points in India (Including COK and TRV)

Designated airlines of India have unlimited access from the 18 points in India to Singapore

Designated airlines on either side shall be entitled to operate all-cargo services with no limitation on frequency, routing and capacity with any type of aircraft, with full 3rd, 4th and 5th freedom traffic rights

Meet within 6 months to sort out enhancement of 3rd/4th/5th freedom traffic rights, and code share arrangements


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting Sshank (Reply 2):
This is great - this sounds like defacto open skies to me! I hope now SQ goes double daily to MAA.

I hope also to HYD! Big grin
Nice for both countries... AI and 9W just need all those planes they ordered to start utilizing their traffic rights to their fullest.


Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Wow. That's one that I didn't see coming. Very quick considering they only both recently revised an existing bilateral.

Very interesting.

Kudos to the Republic of Singapore and India for taking another step towards removing archaic government protectionism and restrictions on airlines!



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 4):

Kudos to the Republic of Singapore and India for taking another step towards removing archaic government protectionism and restrictions on airlines!

Agree, but a bigger kudos (if thats' possible) had they done away with ownership and control restrictions.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

so finally we will get to see flights to SYD/MEL via SIN. Similar agreement is needed with HKG to reach US west cost.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting Nimish (Thread starter):
The authorities met in Singapore on the 11th and 12th of July. Here's what was signed off:

Any links for this info? Thanks!


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

ok, found the link http://dgca.gov.in/bilateral/Singa0606.pdf

The 18 destinations don't include BOM, DEL, HYD, CCU, BLR or MAA. The only progress seems to be on the cargo side


User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 6):
Similar agreement is needed with HKG to reach US west cost.
rgds

Why can't US West Coast be reached via SIN using 777LRs?


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 8):
The 18 destinations don't include BOM, DEL, HYD, CCU, BLR or MAA. The only progress seems to be on the cargo side

Having read the PDF document BLRSEA kindly linked...

I partially withdraw my Kudos.



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Quoting Sshank (Reply 2):
I hope now SQ goes double daily to MAA

I would like that too, but why would SQ do that? Is there that much demand here?

Nevertheless, a daytime flight leaving MAA in the am would be nice.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 9):
Why can't US West Coast be reached via SIN using 777LRs?

They do have a non-stop to LAX from SIN. Cathay connects more points on US west coast than does Singapore. Furthermore, a route like MAA-HKG-LAX would be no more than 21-23 hours, both ways. MAA-SIN-LAX is likely to be longer by at least two hours.


User currently offlineLordanmol From India, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

What are the 3rd and 4th freedom rights?

Cheers



Hmmmmm....
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Thanks to BLRSEA for providing the link to the PDF!

It's now clear that it's not an Open Skies for the Indian metros, only for the 18 secondary cities

More details from: http://www.dgca.nic.in/bilateral/Bilateral%20-download.pdf


  • Patna
  • Lucknow
  • Guwahati
  • Gaya
  • Varanasi
  • Bhubaneshwar
  • Khajuraho
  • Aurangabad
  • Goa
  • Jaipur
  • Port Blair
  • Calicut
  • Amritsar
  • Visakapatnam
  • Ahmedabad
  • Tiruchirapalli
  • Kochi
  • Thiruvananthapuram
    I've tried to highlight the cities that IMO have potential for flights to/from SIN.


The metros:

  • Delhi - 2 Units/week
  • Mumbai - 4.5 Units/week
  • Chennai - 1650 Seats/week
  • Bangalore - 5.95 Units/week
  • Hyderabad - 3.2 Units/week
  • Kolkata - 2.6 Units/week + 5 Units

1 Unit => 1 747 Pax config

In addition there's a pool of 12 Units/week that can be utilized across any of these cities.

Pune is noticable in it's absense. Anyone knows why?



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User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Port Blair - Ooops! Did I heard it right?

Is this for regular pax traffic or for cargo ops?

Are they sure? It was being said Govt of India would not want ot make IXZ an International Airport due to security and environmental concerns. The non-Indians require an ILP even today.

What sort of pax traffic they are expecting? It has to be tourists. Not sure how good it would be for this fragile place. Not sure whether the locals want it to be like another Thai resort  Wink

Mangalore (IXE) is missing while Calicut has made it to that list!

BTW, how is SQ's ATQ route doing?


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 15):
Port Blair - Ooops! Did I heard it right?

Is this for regular pax traffic or for cargo ops?

Are they sure? It was being said Govt of India would not want ot make IXZ an International Airport due to security and environmental concerns. The non-Indians require an ILP even today.

The treaty has IXZ available for Pax traffic (unlimited frequencies/capacity). Now the fine print might state (Subject to the govt. setting up immigrations/customs), but that's the Indian govt. for you!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Quoting Lordanmol (Reply 13):
What are the 3rd and 4th freedom rights

http://home1.gte.net/tpeach/free.html
regds
MEL



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