XJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2345 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
Somewhat good news.
I would like to see them update their interiors. But methinks its a pipe dream.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
Great news on the deal. Lets hope the members approve it.
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1773 times:
Good news for NWA as they continue to put the screws to their employees.
If NWA got the cost savings they required, that probably means the loss of thousands of US based flight attendant positions.
It's another sad day in our business.
Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
N908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 848 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1761 times:
At least the F/As weren't cowardly to vote 96% on a strike.
On a side note, how is the XJ pilot situation going? Do they have any progress at all?
'Cause you're on ATA again, and on ATA, you're on vacation!
Ejmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 3): Good news for NWA as they continue to put the screws to their employees.
If NWA got the cost savings they required, that probably means the loss of thousands of US based flight attendant positions.
It's another sad day in our business.
Why do you think this? Certainly this contract isn't any worse than the one that was voted down, and nowhere in that contract did I see where there would be any significant loss of US based FA positions.
"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
Floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1675 times:
Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 5): Why do you think this? Certainly this contract isn't any worse than the one that was voted down, and nowhere in that contract did I see where there would be any significant loss of US based FA positions.
Something I read said that the rejected contract would "push 1200 flight attendants into early retirement" whatever that means. I just hope those NW execs in the end walk away from that company with NOTHING. I know it won't happen.
Braniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1635 times:
Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 6): Something I read said that the rejected contract would "push 1200 flight attendants into early retirement" whatever that means.
I believe that was referring to an early retirement package being offered to flight attendants. It was a voluntary early out thing. Hardly a bad thing, wouldn't you agree?
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5975 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 3): If NWA got the cost savings they required, that probably means the loss of thousands of US based flight attendant positions.
Could you give us your insiders view of that statement!!
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2927 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
DTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1516 times:
Well now... If XJ management can get their act together, everything will be running some what smoother.... I hope that at both carriers it does not mean Layoffs.... Right now NWA wants to add flights. How can they do that if they lay off people....?????
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1444 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 8): Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 3):
If NWA got the cost savings they required, that probably means the loss of thousands of US based flight attendant positions.
Could you give us your insiders view of that statement!!
Well, for starters, the company has said from the beginning that they will require foreign based flight attendants to staff pacific flights.
And what is YOUR insider's view?
Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
Ejmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1420 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 11):
Well, for starters, the company has said from the beginning that they will require foreign based flight attendants to staff pacific flights.
And what is YOUR insider's view?
That was thrown about as a last resort if the FA's didn't accept the terms of the agreement. Nowhere in the voted-down contract or the recently approved contract does it stipulate that happening.
"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1384 times:
Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 12): That was thrown about as a last resort if the FA's didn't accept the terms of the agreement. Nowhere in the voted-down contract or the recently approved contract does it stipulate that happening.
And as the details of the contract have not been released to the public, you got your information from where????
I'm just going from the press releases by NWA.
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Ejmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1354 times:
I have not seen any press releases from NWA that said they were going to eliminate "thousands of US FA positions". This most recent news piece talks about "survival", so it doesn't seem that there is going to be a significant loss of jobs. I'm just not sure where you got the idea that thousands of FA's were going to be replaced.
One of the last things the reporter said was that "many Flight Attendents feared that NWA was training replacement Flight Attendents overseas."
To me this lacks a lot of logic and understanding of work rules in the US. Can you imagine the legal fees for getting thousands of Work Visas? In the current anti-immigrant/foreign worker environment, do you think it would fly with the public and the politicians?
You have to pay them not in Rupia or whatever you have to pay them in Dollars. They have to have an address in the US to work in the US, a job that will provide them with enough money for foood and housing, background check ($$), Visa application ($$) interview at a US embassy, 3 to 6 week...sometimes longer waiting/processing period, and then they can work within US borders. You can't just fly them in and let them work for a few days and then fly them out, that is illegal. And if they decide to become US citizens...then you have legal problems for NWA. They can then demand the rights of all US workers. Infact...even with a green card a foreigner working in the US can demand equal treatment in the work place to their US counterpart.
Not to mention the US has limits on how many green cards can be given out in a year. If they all went to NWA, the INS investigative wing would be busting down the doors in Eagan.
It took a student of mine 3 months to get a 2 year student visa. Do you think NWA can get 1000 greencards in a few weeks?
This whole "cheap labor is gonna replace US based flight attendents" thing is just a load of uneducated illogical crap.
I am happy the NW F/A made agreements. I don't like how they are being treated though. I hope that when NWA becomes profitable again, the management will give a bonus to the people who make the airline actually work. Without the pilots, FA, and ground people there is no airline.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
Jano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 814 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1289 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 15): It took a student of mine 3 months to get a 2 year student visa. Do you think NWA can get 1000 greencards in a few weeks?
They would be getting H1 work permits first. There are no more to be given this fiscal year. So, NW would have to apply along with many other companies on behalf of these FAs. There is a cap, I think 60k per year (unless it was chnaged). These people need to be paid +-5% of the prevailing market wage in the given region.
Only after these FAs would be here long enough legally then they could apply for green cards.
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
I have not seen any press releases from NWA that said they were going to eliminate "thousands of US FA positions". This most recent news piece talks about "survival", so it doesn't seem that there is going to be a significant loss of jobs. I'm just not sure where you got the idea that thousands of FA's were going to be replaced.
It's not my intention to argue with you as neither of us have access to confidential contract negotiations.
It was my impression (I guess is a better way of wording what I said) that job losses would be significant. The company, i believe, claimed to seek $195 millions in concessions from the flight attendants. At 9,000 (give or take) flight attendants, that's an average of $21,000 in cost reduction per flight attendant. That indicates to me that there will be a major, major reduction in force of the highly compensated US based flight attendants.
I could be wrong. We all could be wrong. I'm just voicing my opinion.
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