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Harsh Article On Maxjet And Their CEO  
User currently offlineWJ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 345 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

This is from Today's (July 14th) Times Online. Surprisingly though it's not about the concept, just the service.

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11250-2270501,00.html


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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Did anyone also notice the irony in the fact that the following are on the same web page...?

"Business Travel, in association with British Airways"
"Business Travel Guide - stay one step ahead with British Airways"
"Click here to read the BA.com destination guide"
"Club World - Discover the benefits of Business Class"
"BA Business Travel Guide (again!!) "
"British Airways Fare Finder"
"Executive Club Rewards - join now"
"BA.com Travel Service"
and finally...
"Have more control over your schedule - Click Here"

Can you see the Times' Online's possible bias....?  Wink


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

Hear, hear..

Hmm... how come I get suspicious when I open this article andd right next to it I see a fairly big BA banner??



Shame on the Times of London!! BEing already a mediocre newspaper, they only get worse!

[Edited 2006-07-17 18:00:27]


"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Yeah The Times is pretty much unreadable these days. It's a tabloid both metaphorically and literally. You'd think they'd at least hide the BA branding for the day to make it less obvious.

I think MaxJet have a great concept and I've heard they're doing well. Not so sure about Eos, PS.



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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8679 times:

BA almost certainly pays quite a lot for targetted advertising like this. Interestingly in previous years their adverts graced the same page as news stories about passengers nightmare experiences caused by the various strikes of the past.


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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 3):
Not so sure about Eos, PS.

Well, according to MaxJet in the article, Eos are fully booked!


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8601 times:

EOS Airlines have reported a 72% L/F with an average ticket at $5700.00 per person plus taxes. That is an average of $200,000.00 Per Flight. In contrast with Max Jet who is struggling to make its single daily flight from JFK and IAD fill up with over 100 pax, at rates in the area of $900-$1900.00 per person.

EOS Airlines will start its 2nd JFK flight in September 6 x per week. And EOS Airlines is rumored to add Paris in mid 2007, followed by Frankfurt and Amsterdam. Looks as if the management team with EOS has the market cornered.

A friend who recently flew both EOS Airlines and MaxJet remarked that the seats on MaxJet had frayed stitching, Flight Attendants that tried hard, but didnt make a fitting impression, and an overall cabin that reminded them of AA's Trans-Con 767 older Business Class interior. Of note was that the overhead bins were of the same style that TWA had, and the bathrooms permiated with an odor less than befitting of Business Class.

On the flip side in the graces of EOS Airlines they remarked that they were escorted from the Check-In Desk to the Lounge at JFK. Onboard EOS they were all to happy to see the elaborate meal presentation and intimate cabin ambience. They also remarked that EOS Airlines Flight Attendants seemed more polished than MaxJet by far, and said the arrival sedan at Stansted topped off the most amazing Trans-Atlantic flight they have had since the days of BA Concorde.

[Edited 2006-07-17 18:44:42]

[Edited 2006-07-17 18:45:35]

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 6):
A friend who recently flew both EOS Airlines and MaxJet remarked that the seats on MaxJet had frayed stitching, Flight Attendants that tried hard, but didnt make a fitting impression, and an overall cabin that reminded them of AA's Trans-Con 767 older Business Class interior. Of note was that the overhead bins were of the same style that TWA had, and the bathrooms permiated with an odor less than befitting of Business Class.

OK. So, one seat out of 102 may have frayed stitching. Sometimes, BA's club seats have frayed stitching too (after all, these seats have to sometimes hold an obese 275 lb man for 8+ hours). As for it resembling AA's 767 Transcon J class, your friend is talking BS. AA J Class transcon never had 62 " seat pitch and a seat that reclined 160 degrees. Also, MaxJet charge between $ 1000 - 1700 for a R/T ticket; EOS charges $ 5200. For the price differential of about $ 4000, I can deal with a meal that isn't uber fabulous, and a lav that isn't stuffed with Armani products. All I really want to do on a Transatlantic flight, is have a decent meal (which MaxJet serve up in spades), be treated courteously (which MaxJet do in spades), and sleep (which I've done on all my MaxJet flights). If a client wants to fly me Virgin or BA, then its all fine and dandy, but I intend to stick with MaxJet for all travels to Europe paid for with my own $$$.

Their major problem, of course, is lack of aircraft. If a flight is delayed or is in need of repair, then the whole concept breaks down. But then, I've been stuck in Hong Kong before when a BA flight went technical, and the CX flights were full. When you pay $ 4000 less than the competition, you don't expect your flight to be delayed by 10 hours, but you should remain aware that it just may happen.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
For the price differential of about $ 4000, I can deal with a meal that isn't uber fabulous, and a lav that isn't stuffed with Armani products. All I really want to do on a Transatlantic flight, is have a decent meal (which MaxJet serve up in spades), be treated courteously (which MaxJet do in spades), and sleep (which I've done on all my MaxJet flights). If a client wants to fly me Virgin or BA, then its all fine and dandy, but I intend to stick with MaxJet for all travels to Europe paid for with my own $$$.

EOS Airlines management includes Virgin Atlantic and British Airways experience in addition to Charles Schwab and Singapore Airlines. Put your dollar with the airline that knows how to fly..  wink 


Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
Their major problem, of course, is lack of aircraft.

Or is it a lack of modern aircraft. EOS Airlines average fleet age is 12, what is MAXJET. In addition MAXJET exists for people who otherwise couldnt afford to fly Business to fly Business in other words EOS Airlines for the people who can afford it, and MAXJET is not. Just as Southwest Airlines is there for the people that cannot afford it, and Singapore Airlines is there for the clients that can afford it.


User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8182 times:

According to Sabre, Maxjet does indeed have an interlline agreement with VS (though not BA). So, somebody got their facts wrong.


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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4776 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8143 times:

Ohhhhh the irony!  
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[Edited 2006-07-17 22:15:29]

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
Or is it a lack of modern aircraft. EOS Airlines average fleet age is 12, what is MAXJET.

MaxJets 767s are 21 yrs old, from what I know. But they sport new and clean interiors. In any case, their aircraft are FAA certified and are airworthy. Their inflight service is impeccable, the meals are good, the wines and spirits superb. The IFE they provide is also very substantial for a 7 hour flight. I seriously don't care about any additional geegaws, as long as I can sleep and have a decent inflight meal, and can watch a bit of TV before and after dinner.

If I wanted to spend $ 5500 to fly transatlantic, I'd take BA ClubWorld to LHR. Why would I wish to spend that kind of money on EOS and land in Stansted (unless I had work out there)? But if I spend $ 1100-1800, I'd have no qualms about flying into Stansted and taking the STN Express into London (45 minutes instead of 15 on the LHR express). I am taking 2 additional short trips this fall to Europe (Dubrovnik and then Berlin), and have flights booked on MaxJet to Stansted to get me across the pond.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 11):
Their inflight service is impeccable, the meals are good, the wines and spirits superb.

Sounds like British Airways World Traveleller Class..  wink 

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 11):
The IFE they provide is also very substantial for a 7 hour flight

The same can be said on United Airlines Economay Class 777 Trans-Pacific offerings..

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 11):
But if I spend $ 1100-1800, I'd have no qualms about flying into Stansted and taking the STN Express into London (45 minutes instead of 15 on the LHR express).

The MaxJet audience is not the EOS or British Airways audience. Funny as it may be EOS Airlines has a "royal" spokewomen per say. You will have to research their website to see who it is. In addition EOS is believe it or not, on a par with British Airways Club World and Virgin Atlantic Upper Class. When was the last time you flew on an airline that escorted you to your departure lounge, called you by name, or had a sedan waiting for you on arrival?


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24788 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

EOS and Maxjet target very much for different travellers. As time goes on and Maxjet continues offering continual stream of fare sales this difference becomes more apparent.

EOS is trying to offer a true premium product and capture a crowd that is willing to pay for it. While not Concorde replacement they are trying to play to a niche audience.

Maxjet instead manages to draw people that previously would be paying for a Economy + product, and lure them with a basic business class product. Hate to say it, however a poor mans business class that does not match true business class products of carriers such as BA and VS.

Another handicap faced by these airlines besides operating a limited schedule serving Stansted is the lack of tie in with other carriers. The marketing power of frequent flyer programs and the loyalty they drive is quite something. Unless one has no interest in miles, it will be hard to get people to switch to either airline.



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User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8059 times:

Quoting Laxintl:
The marketing power of frequent flyer programs and the loyalty they drive is quite something.

Eos offers anyone who flys them miles with any airlines through a number of agreements.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24788 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 14):
Eos offers anyone who flys them miles with any airlines through a number of agreements.

EOS does NOT offer any miles on other airlines programs for travel on EOS.

You might want to read up on their "Club 48" program.

The only travel tie in they have is as with some non co-branded credit cards they will go out an purchase you a ticket on another airline and debit the points from your Club 48 accounts. So for instance you want a ticket that cost $4000 that will cost you 400,000 Club 48 points, a pretty crazy amount considering each roundtrip on EOS only nets 7500 Club 48 points. One would be much better sticking with AA, BA, UA, VS etc. whom all offer awards at significantly lower levels.

The EOS program is somewhat similar to some Chase, Capital One credit cards that earn points that can be used to purchase merchandise or tickets on any carrier.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 11):
MaxJets 767s are 21 yrs old, from what I know. But they sport new and clean interiors. In any case, their aircraft are FAA certified and are airworthy. Their inflight service is impeccable, the meals are good, the wines and spirits superb. The IFE they provide is also very substantial for a 7 hour flight. I seriously don't care about any additional geegaws, as long as I can sleep and have a decent inflight meal, and can watch a bit of TV before and after dinner.

If I wanted to spend $ 5500 to fly transatlantic, I'd take BA ClubWorld to LHR. Why would I wish to spend that kind of money on EOS and land in Stansted (unless I had work out there)? But if I spend $ 1100-1800, I'd have no qualms about flying into Stansted and taking the STN Express into London (45 minutes instead of 15 on the LHR express). I am taking 2 additional short trips this fall to Europe (Dubrovnik and then Berlin), and have flights booked on MaxJet to Stansted to get me across the pond.

=multiple high quality trips over the pond over EOS......

not everyone is willing to pay $5000 from their own pocket to sleep for a few hours....MaxJet fulfils that need to get a better quality flight than WTP+ at a good price....

"upper class bourgeoisie" services is what I call...while not "nobility"...its still pretty kick ass!



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User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
The only travel tie in they have is as with some non co-branded credit cards they will go out an purchase you a ticket on another airline and debit the points from your Club 48 accounts. So for instance you want a ticket that cost $4000 that will cost you 400,000 Club 48 points, a pretty crazy amount considering each roundtrip on EOS only nets 7500 Club 48 points. One would be much better sticking with AA, BA, UA, VS etc. whom all offer awards at significantly lower levels.

Hate to break the news to you, but the frequent flyer perks are becoming less and less as pasengers realize that the miles in many cases are worthless. The days of travellers flocking to airlines for a few hundred or thousand miles is over. In the U.S. and with British Airways for example the perks are dying and the fees to cash in are rising. EOS will survive as it is a niche airline in the wealthiest O/D corridor in the World London to New York. In addition the London to New York corridor is one of a few that rely heavily on Premium products while routes like SFO-HKG/LAX-AMS rely heavily on the Y cabin and Cargo.


User currently offlineN770WD From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 6):
EOS Airlines have reported a 72% L/F with an average ticket at $5700.00 per person plus taxes.

Eos published a load factor of 72% for June 2006. It is good news that they are doing well. As MalpensaSFO and others state Eos is after a different market than MAXjet. Eos provides a true first-class service for (supposedly) a Business Class fare. MAXjet provides a Business Class service at an Economy/Premium Economy fare.

MalpensaSFO -- can you share your reference for the $5,700 average ticket price? Published government data (DOT Schedule P-11) shows Eos averaged $1,260 per round-trip passenger during the last reporting period. Since that includes corporate trial seats, give-aways and such it's not bad for a new entrant but it's nowhere near the $5,700 you state. It's possible they improved five-fold in a couple of months but not likely.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 8):
Or is it a lack of modern aircraft. EOS Airlines average fleet age is 12, what is MAXJET.

Both fleets are considered mature. Eos' three aircraft were delivered in 1992, 1994 and 1995. MAXjet's three were delivered in 1984, 1985 and 1986. The benefits of a "modern" fleet are largely extinguished by the tenth year of operations.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 6):
In contrast with Max Jet who is struggling to make its single daily flight from JFK and IAD fill up with over 100 pax

Given 102 available seats, you are correct that MAXjet would struggle to achieve 100 passenger average loads. However, MAXjet has commented publicly on their strong loads and that topic has been well covered in other threads.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24788 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 17):

Outside of price, frequently flyer affiliations is still one of the top decision factors for flyer's. This theme is repeatedly shown in consumer travel purchase surveys for both the VFR and premium traveller which I regularly review.
I've even seen studies indicating people would sacrifice price, schedule convenience, direct routing's etc. just for FF miles and benefits.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 12):
Sounds like British Airways World Traveleller Class..

BA WT doesn't offer 62" of pitch, meals on China and unlimited Piper Heideseck Champagne, unless they issued a news release stating that today.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 12):
The same can be said on United Airlines Economay Class 777 Trans-Pacific offerings..

No it doesn't. What MaxJet offer is significantly superior. The DigE players have about 20 movies, a dozen TV shows, etc. All of which can be stopped and started at your own leisure.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 13):
Hate to say it, however a poor mans business class that does not match true business class products of carriers such as BA and VS.

I've flown Business on MaxJet, BA, VS, DL and United across the pond and they all offer slightly different products pegged to the price one pays. What exactly is a "true" Business Class service anyways? All these airlines offer a true Business Class service. Some offer a Business Class service that is more luxurious than others. In fact, VS offers 2 different levels of J class service. A discounted J Class fare doesn't get you a limo pickup, while the full fare does. And in comparison with some of Virgin's "I'm busy being fabulous or giggly" FAs, those on MaxJet are professional and offer a very high quality of personalized service.

Quoting MalpensaSFO (Reply 17):
Hate to break the news to you, but the frequent flyer perks are becoming less and less as pasengers realize that the miles in many cases are worthless.

Exactly. US carriers are using smaller aircraft on many routes and its becoming virtually impossible to cash in your miles on popular routes.


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 20):
Exactly. US carriers are using smaller aircraft on many routes and its becoming virtually impossible to cash in your miles on popular routes

That is a good thing, not a bad thing. I am more than happy to see the days of people who otherwise couldnt afford a ticket show up with their bags of food, flip flops, Starbucks, and bubble gum popping. One of the best things that happened were the airlines getting stricter with cashing in miles for free trips. British Airways Executive Club and Singapore Airlnes KrisFlyer are only the beginning of more airlines to stop rewarding people who buy el-cheapo tickets and expect, if not demand freebies everytime they arrive at the airport. Why should any airline upgrade or offer a free trip to some shmuck that bought $2500.00 in groceries, or bought a car with a credit card they cant afford to pay?


User currently offlineMalpensaSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

Quoting N770WD (Reply 18):
MalpensaSFO -- can you share your reference for the $5,700 average ticket price? Published government data (DOT Schedule P-11) shows Eos averaged $1,260 per round-trip passenger during the last reporting period. Since that includes corporate trial seats, give-aways and such it's not bad for a new entrant but it's nowhere near the $5,700 you state. It's possible they improved five-fold in a couple of months but not likely.

Please see below:

Departure Time Arrival Time Flight #

New York (JFK)
8:15 pm
Fri, 18 Aug 06
London (STN)
8:30 am **
Sat, 19 Aug 06 E0 2 C
(757-200)
7hr 15min

London (STN)
4:00 pm
Sun, 20 Aug 06
New York (JFK)
6:45 pm
Sun, 20 Aug 06 E0 3 Z
(757-200)
7hr 45min

Fare Details
Per Person Price: $5,000.00 USD
Taxes: $101.64 USD
Subtotal: $5,101.64 USD
Total (1 Traveler): $5,101.64 USD


User currently offlineANNOYEDFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

If only EOS treated their crew members well....... I know quite a few who have already quit because they didn't want to put up with the bulls*it going on there.


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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

MalpensaSFO, your logic is flawed. While you may personally not like it when people use FF miles to get tickets, the fact remains that the airlines themselves offerred this system and this system has kept many of them afloat for a long time. Who are you to look down on people for earning something the airline has given them the right to earn? It isn't cheating or some devious way of getting tickets, all the rules are black and white. Is it my fault airline X or airline Y offers a certain ticket price? Maybe you can afford to buy full fare F tickets; if you can, by all means go ahead and be snooty about it...nobody is forcing you to fly and nobody is forcing the airlines to do business the way that they do, they are welcome to close their doors anytime if they don't like the sort of passengers they themselves attract. Maybe you would like to sit separately from people of other races who can't "afford" a ticket either and somehow pyramid schemed their way onto the plane?

25 MalpensaSFO : That is a complete lie. To this date not one single EOS F/A has resigned or been terminated.
26 MalpensaSFO : Certain airlines are designed for different needs. Thankfully we are seeing airlines, retract from the trend of buy one fly one. The future of the ai
27 Afay1 : But it if it is such a problem as you say, then it is most certainly one of the airlines' own making. Of course there are always people who try and ge
28 MalpensaSFO : It is a problem, and it is what the airlines have created. Airlines are now realizing that offer reward tickets to everyone is not making money. The
29 Jaysit : What the hell are you babbling about? Who the hell demands freebies when they check in at the airport? You get an upgrade if you have the requisite n
30 CRGsFuture : Yes, especially if you book very far in advanced. Here's a good question, how many airlines have credit cards?
31 Post contains links ExFATboy : uh...huh? While I have no idea what the hell MalpensaSFO is talking about with the "$179 seat that earns a free one", I'm not entirely clear what you
32 EHHO : And that's exactly why I love AA and UA!! You get your miles, even for extremely cheap Expedia fares (whaddaya think of ORD-SFO-ORD $179 with taxes?)
33 Wjcandee : The idiot author suffered a SINGLE delay and wrote a whole article to trash the company. I'm sure that BA never suffers delays and keeps hot spares av
34 SNATH : I assume you mean from JFK. Can a B757 fly JFK-FRA? Or are they planning to get another type to fly this route? Tony
35 IFlyMax : The ariticle has now been almost completely revised - still critical, but the factual issues have been addressed. But some quick notes: 1. The author
36 ANNOYEDFA : Flight Attendant Former Tower Air, Former Delta, former EOS......Stay away from EOS!!! Worst Airline in the world! Aol screename: shellon747 MalpensaS
37 Ruirui : Do you think the guy who wrote the Times article on Maxjet is the same guy that writes those totally "honest" forum letters on that most unbiased of s
38 IFEMaster : "Business travellers, it seems, know the difference between concept and reality" This, for me, is the most important line in the entire article. My pr
39 MalpensaSFO : Please let us know who your In-Flight Supervisor was at Eos.. Please let us know your seniority number at Eos.. Please let us know why you insist on
40 Condor24 : Two old chinese proverbs come to mind ... Firstly, 'You get what you pay for' & Secondly, 'You pays your money, you takes your choice'.
41 Ruirui : I will not deny you make some valid points, although you make some which frankly make me climb the wall, so I, for one - would like to know whose axe
42 Coa747 : I'll second the claim that frequent flyer awards have become less than worthless. Chase, American Express and others offer programs where reward point
43 MalpensaSFO : Singapore Airlines Raffles Class onboard 747-400 Upper Deck Lufthansa German Airlines Business Class onboard A340-600 It is all a matter of opinion..
44 Ruirui : Well . I agree with Malpensa concerning LH Business Class on A340-600. damn I spent US$15 to flame you.....and now I agree. The food needs some attent
45 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : LOL... I am the big bad guy on the forum... Funny, I scored 2 free roundtrip tickets to anywhere in the NH system in their newly updated J product. A
46 ANNOYEDFA : Your so stupid lol........ Reread the post SHE worked for EOS. I personally would not be dumb enough to work for a none union, 48 seat start up that f
47 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : When did you ever say the word "she"? Does anyone on here see the word "she" in any of AnnoyedFA's comments? Is that because non-union employees have
48 Coa747 : Sure working for a startup is a risk but these days it isn't much more of a risk than working for one of the legacy carriers like Northwest. Unions a
49 Post contains images Eos757 : This is incorrect. Completely untrue. I know what I am talking about, 100%. Who is "she"? Did "she" make a post on this thread? In "real life" I know
50 MalpensaSFO : Please let me know how many. From all of what I have heard they have not had one single F/A leave the airline. In addition, what is the turnover rati
51 Wjcandee : She's a NEWSPAPER REPORTER. They DO THAT. They are often remarkably non-confrontational IN PERSON, and only develop a set when they're safe in the ne
52 Wjcandee : Gotta love those British laws on slander. They're SOOOOO different than the ones here.
53 Post contains links Nimish : Well - there's a chance IT may be considering buying out Maxjet - mainly with the intent of launching (non-stop) flights to/from India-US. More at: IT
54 Post contains images ExFATboy : anyone else thinking of pots and kettles? I don't use miles to upgrade, but have bought the cheap upgrade on check-in a couple of times. The extra sp
55 Skymonster : I don't think you have a clue how airline frequent flyer programs work. Firstly, airlines give miles to credit card users or with groceries because t
56 Mikephotos : That's full-fare walk-up biz fare, no one i know who flys EOS pays that, not even close to that. Your data is flawed. Mike
57 Iflymax : Whatever the outcome of the article, and whatever the issues with the reporter's integrity (apparantly, she no-showed, no-called on her return from Du
58 Post contains links and images MalpensaSFO : http://www.eosairlines.com Read and eat your words.... EOS is opening a second flight 6 days a week. Eos will have 13 flights a week from JFK to STN.
59 Mikephotos : Do I start laughing now, or later? I'm not even going to explain. Mike
60 Iflymax : Does EOS fly to Milan? I wasn't aware!
61 MalpensaSFO : Cosa? In depth response, as usual!
62 WJ : I disagree with that statement. Most if not all reward seats are given out months in advance when there is no way to tell if the seats will sell or n
63 Iflymax : I think you understood what I was saying.... In any case, I am sure Eos will do just fine with two daily departures and arrivals from Stansted. MAXjet
64 Post contains images Mikephotos : Here's another in-depth response for ya: 19AUG DEPARTURE DATE-----LAST DAY TO PURCHASE 24JUL BASE FARE TAXES TOTAL 1- USD4500.00 103.80XT USD4603.80A
65 Post contains images MalpensaSFO : Both airlines will be around as long as there is a demand. MAXJET serves a unique niche, as does EOS. MAXJET has done well with what it has, as does
66 Mikephotos : Maybe YOU do but the corp. biz world DOES NOT. Trust me, I KNOW. Based on your numbers, you're saying EVERYONE is using the $5700 fare. I'll state it
67 Skymonster : No way to tell whether seats will sell months in advance? I think you underestimate the sophistication of today's revenue management systems. Anyway,
68 MalpensaSFO : Since you are so in the know, are the prices on EOS for the fun of it? Are the prices in Sabre and Amadeus for the fun of it? Please report the flawe
69 Mikephotos : WTF are you talking about? Yes, if you're flying to STN for fun then the fares are for the fun of it. No need, you posted it here, I'm reporting it h
70 OneSkyJet : Mikephotos is right. $5700 is the MOST anyone would pay on Maxjet, not the AVERAGE. There is no way EOS' average realized fare is could be $5700. With
71 MalpensaSFO : The reference was to EOS a permium service airline, not Maxjet a discount airline... Please read the previous posts...
72 SpruceMoose : Wait, you're saying the average _one way_ price is $5700*? I just did a very unscientific survey, pricing out four trips on Eos' web site: Leaving Ju
73 MalpensaSFO : $6500 R/T $800.00 above average ticket cost of $5700.00 $4500.00 R/T $1200.00 below average ticket cost of $5700.00 Most business travellers purchase
74 We're Nuts : Them is fightin' words. WN is for people who enjoy a little logic in their airline travel.
75 SpruceMoose : I wasn't quibbling with your rounding. I'm saying "$200,000 per flight" implies $5,700 _each way_. I included the precision to make it clear where I
76 ContinentalGuy : I believe EOS uses a 757 on their flights. Is the seating 2-2, 1-1, 1, 3-3? MAXjet seems a better deal because it is a widebody 767.
77 Post contains links MalpensaSFO : In Alabama... What? $5700 R/T x 48 pax = $200.000 rounded... LOL.. Go back to School! MAXJET is 2 - 2 - 2 http://www.maxjet.com EOS is 2 - 2 Offset h
78 Laxintl : That's like saying its better to fly economy on a B747 versus first class on an A320. The two products are quite different. EOS provides flat bed typ
79 Post contains images WesternA318 : Hey now, I resemble that remark! LOL, now your starting to sound like a CO advertisement... Sounds like a disgruntled ex-TWA employee, or Tower Scare
80 SpruceMoose : You said $200,000 per flight. But if $5,700 is the R/T price then it's $200,000 per round-trip, or $100,000 per flight. There's a factor of two diffe
81 We're Nuts : What exactly does that mean? If only we could all be so stuck up.
82 WesternA318 : Indeed...but, oh well, to each their own...
83 Monkeyboi : It's usually nightmare experiences involving BA that the news papers so like to print. Especially the daily mail/ evening standard / Sun.....all the
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