Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
SQ Diverted To RNZAF Ohakea - Common Occurance?  
User currently offlineZKNEA From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 151 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Kia Ora all,

Due to the fog in AKL today SQ285 SIN-AKL (on which my family are travelling) was diverted. The lady at the SQ AKL Airport office told me it had been diverted to Ohakea, and was due back in AKL at 1300.

With Ohakea being an Air Force base and all (see http://www.airforce.mil.nz/about-us/hq-and-bases/ohakea.htm if you don't believe me) is it normal when foggy for civil aircraft to be sent there? Are there facilities to handle international pax or do they just have to sit in the aircraft? Was CHC fog covered too? With it being an 744 I suppose AKL and CHC would be the only civilian airports capable of handling this aircraft.

Any insight apreciated.

72 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

OHA has the thrid longest runway in NZ at 8000ft / 2450m, so is a suitable diversion point for the heavies if AKL is unavailable, although I would have thought CHC would be more ideal. The runway at OHA is also used for some serious military aircraft so I assume the runway strength is suitable for 744s.

767 sized aircraft have more options, including PMR (we did love the Royal Brunei 767 that arrived here when WLG was closed). Apparently 767s can also use HLZ, although I have no idea if any have, or did today.

ax.



Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6139 times:

It's actually common to see heavy aircraft at Ohakea when Auckland is closed. AFAIK there aren't any heavy pax aircraft handling facilities, so passengers and crew usually remain onboard the aircraft until departure when AKL is open. My guess is that CHC was closed, as CHC is usually the first choice for a diversion.

I read somewhere that in the event AKL is closed, for heavy aircraft arriving in New Zealand, CHC is first option followed by Ohakea and then Nadi (Cheaper fees than Australia).


http://www.integration.co.nz/aviation/aircraft/Misc/divert.jpg

NZ747


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

I can remember a United 747 getting diverted to Wellington once when the fog closed AKL. Maybe it was a one time occurrence.

User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Quoting Axio (Reply 1):
767 sized aircraft have more options, including PMR (we did love the Royal Brunei 767 that arrived here when WLG was closed). Apparently 767s can also use HLZ, although I have no idea if any have, or did today.

Actually, the chartered 767 was originally going to Auckland, but because AKL was closed they diverted to PMR because the Sultan on board didn't want to go to WLG and they didn't have enough fuel for CHC. Ohakea also wouldn't let them land there due to some sort of procedural complication. Because the B767 was fairly light as it was on charter, it was ok for PMR. A regular passenger aircraft that size wouldn't divert to PMR. Rather sad really. The A320's are quite boring now..  Sad

NZ747


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

I see that Ohakea is on the North Island. As with all other airlines, SQ has a list of preferred diversion points for each station. I am guessing that this point in the North Island was chosen over CHC so that SQ can have the option ofdisembarking and bussing passengers to AKL if the fog does not clear (assuming of course that immigration and customs officers are available at Ohakea or can be sent there to clear deplaned passengers. Even if they are not available, the paxs can still be bussed on the condition that no one can get off the bus until they reach the arrivals facility at AKL). This would not have been an option at CHC or any other South Island point; the passengers and crew would have to sit on the ground waiting (perhaps indefinitely) for the fog to clear. And, if the crew runs out of hours, then we're in trouble!

User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

Looks like SQ 747 wasn't the only aircraft diverted there this morning. TG had a 346 due to land at AKL and apparently it landed Ohakea as well. Which needs more lengthy runway? 744 or 346?

And a NZ 772 from Singapore also diverted there.

[Edited 2006-07-18 04:02:19]

User currently offlineNZL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

CHC weather was marginal this morning, Ohakea was more suitable.

User currently offlineZKNEA From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

Quoting Xiaotung (Reply 6):
Looks like SQ 747 wasn't the only aircraft diverted there this morning. TG had a 346 due to land at AKL and apparently it landed Ohakea as well

The online AKL arrivals board has been updated and yes the TG a/c was diverted to Ohakea also.

Quoting Axio (Reply 1):
767 sized aircraft have more options, including PMR (we did love the Royal Brunei 767 that arrived here when WLG was closed). Apparently 767s can also use HLZ, although I have no idea if any have, or did today.

Looks like WLG received a 763 (NZ9)

NZ747 thanks for the photos. I like the first one especially as it shows two things that are uncommon sights at Ohakea, an NZ 744 and RNZAF jet fighters !

[Edited 2006-07-18 04:49:33]

User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

What about Whenupai? Is it ever used as a diversion point? Or is the runway not long enough? I suspect it has a lot more in passenger facilities than Ohakea. then again, it may have been fogged in as well.

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 9):
then again, it may have been fogged in as well.

Given it is only 15nm away, chances are weather affecting Auckland International would also affect Whenuapai. Also, the runway is only 2000m in length, and not as strong as the ones at Auckland or Ohakea.

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 3):
I can remember a United 747 getting diverted to Wellington once when the fog closed AKL. Maybe it was a one time occurrence.

Are you sure that wasn't PMR? I'm pretty sure WLG is too short, or can it handle a heavy in a pinch?



It's not road rage. It's COURTESY ENFORCEMENT.
User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 2):
I read somewhere that in the event AKL is closed, for heavy aircraft arriving in New Zealand, CHC is first option followed by Ohakea and then Nadi (Cheaper fees than Australia).

Ohakea is so much closer to AKL than CHC. Surely diversion there would cost the airline less time and money, and the passengers less time? And, as has been mentioned, if things get really bad, it is only a few hours by road to AKL...I wonder what the local civilian accommodation is like?


User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

From www.nzcity.co.nz


Grumpy passengers stuck at Ohakea
Ten jumbo jets full of passengers are at Ohakea air base after being diverted from Auckland due to fog
Auckland Airport
Auckland Airport
18 July 2006

Up to ten jumbo jets crammed with passengers are sitting on the runway at Ohakea airport near Palmerston North.

They have been diverted to the RNZAF air base because of fog at Auckland airport. As an air force base, it does not have the kind of passenger facilities which might be available at an international airport.

One of the passengers, who does not want to be named, says he has been told it will be hours yet before they can fly on to Auckland.

In the meantime he says they have run out of food, there is no drink and half the toilets are blocked.

The passenger says he boarded his flight in China yesterday morning and the mood amongst his fellow passengers is pretty grumpy.

Meanwhile Auckland airport says the fog has lifted, and while planes are flying again there are significant delays.


I've got a couple of photo's from Ohakea this morning and they show the Air NZ Planes, a Thai, and an Atlas 747


User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

I saw the UA 747 that diverted to WLG. It stopped in no more than 70% of the runway. The whole population of the Koru Club rose to its feet as though the Queen had entered. Even more surprising is that it departed with its passengers still on board later in the day.

The story of the diversion became a very rapid news blackout. It had diverted to CHC, but CHC then became marginal and there wasn't enough fuel to get back to Ohakea. The rules were changed after that with the result that I twice was on UA 747s that went into NAN when AKL was shut and CHC doubtful. However NZ have landed 747s here a couple of times at least. Then, of course, there were the QF 747SPs.

Ohakea is a last resort because it is the case that there are no facilities for disembarkation. Back in the 70s I saw a Pan Am 747 landing there.


User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

This has just been on the New Zealand evening news. 4 passenger flights (SQ, TG, NZ and NZ) and one freight (Atlas 747). 1400 passengers stuck on board for 7 hours because of no customs facilities. They didn't bring them from PMR because there was nowhere to put them if they did get off, and there was a need to take off at the first opportunity.

CHC was indeed marginal. Interviewed passengers a mixture of grumpy and amused. Airlines told people nothing, but text messaging came to the rescue for families.


User currently offlineZKNSJ From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

surely being a airforce base, they would be able to secure some facilitys for the passengers

User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Well you have a certain controversial mayor (not the present one) and the ensuing privatisation of the airport at AKL to thank for the pathetic level of investment in NZ's primary gateway....

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7086 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

I must admit, I was suprised to hear the likes of 'New Zealand One Heavy' and 'Singapore Two Eight Five' on the Ohakea radio frequency at around 1700 NZDT

User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5641 times:

Atlas Air also diverted there. Good for planespotters not the passengers.

With regard to Virginflyers earlier post on Whenuapai the largest aircraft to have landed there are a C5A Galaxy and Tristar. The C5A Galaxy has short field capability and the RAF Tristar was empty and attended an airshow.
A United 747-200 did land at Rongotai once when diverted from Auckland and fuel was getting low.


User currently offlineXiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

May we see the photos, JaseWGTN?

User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Hi Xiaotung,

Here they are. They are from the kiwiflightsim group like



and




Regards
Jason

[Edited 2006-07-18 09:22:28]

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 14):
I saw the UA 747 that diverted to WLG. It stopped in no more than 70% of the runway.

There used to be a video online of that somewhere, but I can't find it now - perhaps someone else might have access to it?

Really, the sooner Auckland gets Cat III ILS, the better - these fog closures seem to be an almost weekly occurance during winter, some (like today's) worse than others...

V/F



"So powerful is the light of unity that it can illuminate the whole earth." - Bahá'u'lláh
User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

Didn't New Zealand decommision/get rid of it's airforce many years ago? It relies on Australia for air protection.
What would it use the base for then, apart from this occasion.



Long Haul is the only way to go
User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5424 times:

Its on Auntie Helen Clark's ten year plan to move operations from RNZAF Whenuapai to RNZAF Ohakea. Hopefully the lovely woman will be ousted before that happens.

25 Aerokiwi : Actually, technically New Zealand doesn't rely on the Australians for air protection as the government has deemed the need for air protection of our
26 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Um, no. It decomissioned the air combat and strike forces. Might I suggest you take a look at their website: http://www.airforce.mil.nz/ I believe th
27 JaseWGTN : A guest of the hotel told me that while they were waiting at AKL this morning, that a heavy attempted a landing at 8am, and got it but burst tires on
28 Post contains images Zkpilot : yeah......if you fancy a 7 hour bus trip..... if AKL is closed then CHC is always the first choice for a diversion from AKL followed by OHA. If enrou
29 NZ1 : CHC was more than marginal, it was near whiteout due to fog/low cloud till around 12.30pm. NZ1
30 Post contains images Axio : Ah well.. maybe when PMR completes its runway extensions (http://www.pnairport.co.nz/news59.php3) in 2010 then at least the passengers will have somew
31 ZKSUJ : From what I know, even with the extension, a 747 would not be able to do well at PMR. (It may be very touch and go)
32 Pieinthesky : From three air bases to just one, and after disbanding the strike wing ?. Jeez, what have the Air Force done to upset the powers that be in NZ ?.
33 Post contains images VirginFlyer : Nice pun . If they are extending the runway to 2500m, that should be enough to get a 747 in and back out with a light fuel load. Obviously it would d
34 Antskip : Maybe nothing. Maybe the New Zealand govt, rightly or wrongly, has assessed the threat in the foreseeable future of attack by air from foreign countr
35 Post contains links NZ8800 : Nothing much - just no money to spend on them, apparently. As others have said, we DO have an airforce, but only transport role, sea patrol, and civi
36 Nzrich : CHC is always 1st choice for diversions unfortunately it was closed to landing untill after midday... There are no customs at Ohakea as its a airforc
37 Ex_SQer : Gotcha. At some diversion points in the network - but I guess not AKL - there are contingency plans to throw everyone and their bags directly from th
38 Post contains images Axio : Thanks fullas.. I was aware strength was a factor.. but as a little enthusiast, I appreciate the details One thing we couldn't figure out, is that wit
39 Zkpilot : wouldn't that be open 99.5% of the time that international flights are due at PMR? AKL has a Cat I... there are plans to upgrade to Cat IIIa within 3
40 NZ107 : Just on one news - AKL will get lights for landing in fog in 15 months time, won't be operational until 2008. I wonder if it yesterday sped up their d
41 Rongotai : The 5th. a/c was Atlas Cargo
42 ZK-NBT : Not unless Atlas have started carrying PAX. No there is 4 pax and a 744F.
43 NZ107 : Whoops sorry, my bad. Mind blank..
44 ZKNBX : Couldn't agree more..
45 Post contains links Singapore_Air : Airline still considering compensation 19/07/2006 16:12:02 Singapore Airlines is yet to consider whether it will offer compensation to passengers left
46 Antskip : some of the funniest things from airline officials I've heard on these forums for a while! (smile). It would be interesting to know how often Ohakea
47 ZKNEA : This must be the guy my mum told me about that was on her plane. Said there was a TV1 News exec/manager on the plane, which is the reason why TV1 mad
48 Zkpilot : I saw that clip too... don't recall them saying anything about lights though...? What they were referring too (without actually saying it since it wo
49 ZKNEA : While I share your dislike of Mr Treneary, just to clarify the IFE was not operating at any time, and mobile phones were asked to be turned off most
50 Zkpilot : Well thats SQ being silly then... Hmm as for the cellphone thing... I guess perhaps the airforce didn't want people taking pictures with their cellph
51 FlyingKangaroo : While I agree that SQ could of arranged something, it isn't necessarily their responsibility to do so. They didn't know how long they would be on the
52 Pieinthesky : I don't see why not, there's not exactly an Air Force as such to take any pictures of is there.
53 NZ8800 : As stated above, air forces here and in other parts of the globe do have other tasks than firing missiles at people.
54 Pulkovokiwi : yeh but as Baden Powells motto said "Be prepared"
55 ABQopsHP : I agree with flyingKangaroo. And as an airline employee I can tell you its true, regarding the catering. Financially the airlines are in no position t
56 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Would whoever the caterer is at PMR even have enough spare food on hand to feed 400 pax on a 747? Let alone 5 widebodies? That's a lot of mouths to f
57 Post contains images Zkpilot : Well PMR is a city with plenty of food places around. As for the caterers, the point I was making is that they have the ability to load up food carts
58 ZKSUJ : Ok, did the other airlines provide food for their PAX? Because at the moment it sounds like its only SQ. If all pax on all aircraft didnt get food, th
59 ZKSUJ : On top of that, If a 744 was to land at PMR, it would not be able to taxi off. Both taxiway 1 and taxiway 2 are not where near wide enough to handle
60 Aerorobnz : More than daily - try the third time in 5 days....practically all my early shifts that week has problems with inbound aircraft due to fog... It's dis
61 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : I'm looking at catering from a logistical standpoint, in a place where SQ doesn't fly to and where there isn't the large scale aviation caterer, cert
62 Pulkovokiwi : Have to say it would be the most exciting thing to have happened in the Palmy area since John Cleese visited.
63 Post contains images Pieinthesky : NZ maybe, I can't think of many other comparable developed countries who don't have at least some form of armed wing. Still, I suppose you've always
64 Zkpilot : New Zealand still should, but Ireland is a comparable country for an example. Company cheque (SQ is pretty reputable I'm sure there wouldn't be a pro
65 Revelation : One basic question: did the AF base even have air stairs tall enough to reach the 747's door? This has been a problem at other unprepared sites in the
66 Zkpilot : They have air stairs tall enough for 757 (which the RNZAF has 2 of) which isn't much different from 777 or 747 so I don't see a problem...
67 SunriseValley : So what does this mean in practical terms of decision height and runway visual range?
68 Zkpilot : thats the media. What they will be getting is a cat III ILS. Which means: There are three categories of ILS which support similarly named categories
69 SunriseValley : So to which sub-category? WLG has serious needs also, how far away is RNP and how close , vertically and horizontally, can it bring an aircraft to th
70 NZ8800 : Are any aircraft able to be so equipped to Cat 1/2/3 etc, or is it limited to certain types? And how does it actually work? If a SAAB 340 for example,
71 Post contains images Zkpilot : hmm not sure about WLG... I recall hearing that it might be a at most a 50% improvement on minimas due terrain. An aircraft has to be equiped and cre
72 Mr.BA : But really if there isn't any facilities at the airfield it's not the airlines fault isn't it? SQ's not the only one that is stuck there anyway...
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
CO016 EWR-GLA Diverted To Halifax? posted Fri Dec 1 2006 16:52:59 by GLAGAZ
Air Ivoire Flight Diverted To MRS Bomb Alert posted Thu Nov 23 2006 16:46:36 by TGV
Language Skills Of F/A's On SQ/TG To Spain posted Thu Nov 23 2006 11:09:54 by Planemanofnz
WN Flight 391 Diverted To ELP, Rowdy Pax Removed posted Fri Oct 27 2006 01:38:39 by KELPkid
BA 2036 Diverted To St. Johns posted Sun Oct 8 2006 10:04:19 by N270ft
CO 9 Diverted To Nagoya posted Fri Oct 6 2006 12:51:44 by David
AAL 1061 Diverted To Biggs posted Fri Sep 29 2006 08:32:27 by Amwest2United
American Airlines B757 MIA-MAR Diverted To AUA posted Fri Sep 29 2006 01:04:17 by Luisde8cd
What Type Of BA Aircraft Was Diverted To Halifax? posted Wed Sep 27 2006 15:06:36 by Bmacleod
Jet Blue Flight Diverted To MCO posted Wed Sep 20 2006 22:02:05 by United757