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Airlines Joining Or Leaving Skyteam?  
User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Are any airlines joining or thinking about joining Skyteam? Any airlines leaving? Also, why do so many people dislike Skyteam?

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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

JAT, Avianca, China Southern, China Airlines and Malaysia all are supposed to join.


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User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

I'm a DL skymiles member and frequently use DL when I'm in the States and AF when I travel trans-Atlantic. My experiences have been for the most part quite positive. No airline/alliance is perfect despite what some a.netters wish to believe. There have been so many debates on this site about which alliance is better, etc. it's probably only outranked by the "Boeing vs Airbus" and "is EWR a NY airport?" debates.

As far as new airlines goes, Aeroflot just joined not too long ago. I read something about TAM, MEA, possibly some Chinese carrier as possible candidates. I'm sure it won't take more than a few replies for some a.netter to correct me if I'm wrong.

One slight defect that has been mentioned about Skyteam is it is very Northern Hemisphere oriented. No members from S.America, Southern Asia or Africa.



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User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

I'm sorry but what is JAT?

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

based in Belgrade,

and is the national airline of.. well Im not sure what it is now.. serbia ?
well its the airline of the former republic of Yugoslavia...

Joe


User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

It doesn't some like to much sense to have an airline based in Belgrade, Serbia & Montenegro. I think that Virgin Atlantic or Alaska would be good.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8568 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2737 times:
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Tarom , Air Europa , Copa and Kenya Airways are all supposed to be joining .

CZ is slated to join - but that date never seems to get firmed up , last I heard it had been pushed back to sometime next year

MH would love to join , the KL part of AF/KL is keen on them , I have heard that the AF part is less than keen

ME must be a bit doubtful at the moment with the situation in Lebanon - regardless of the outcome of the current situation it is going to take a long time to regain an image of stability.

VS is 49% owned by Star member SQ which would seem to make them a bit doubtful for Skyteam

TAM is in bed with AA as well as AF so could swing either way



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 1):
China Southern

Who have actually now confirmed their intention to join in 07 (See ABTN)

Quote:
SKYTEAM ALLIANCE has signed an agreement with China Southern Airlines, which will allow it to become a full member during 2007. The airline is now committed to meet the stringent set of standards required of SkyTeam and implement bilateral code sharing, frequent flyer and lounge agreements with each of the member carriers. China Southern Airlines provides the most extensive airline route network in China – operating more than 600 routes with a fleet of 259 aircraft – and serves a range of international cities that are complementary to SkyTeam’s current destination network, including Dalian and Changsha (China) and Melbourne (Australia).

7L

[Edited 2006-07-18 14:27:42]


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User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

A few other airlines that would be good include Emirates, EVA, TAP.

User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Recently though if you recall Aeroflot joined as a full member as well as Copa, Kenya, MEA, Air Europa and Tarom are all now Associate Members. Of these, Copa, Kenya and Air Europa were the most sought after and should help the alliance the most, especially Kenya with the connections in Africa.

Rumors are still flying as to the Chinese carriers and Malaysia. Malaysia could be a real possibility come 2008 and I would put bets on China Southern as well. Another one that is being highly sought after is Air India and Indian Airlines for the sub-continent connections.

Malaysia would be a great addition for all the SE Asian connections and the closest thing to a South Pacific partner.

Don't count on Alaska jumping in too soon as they have no intentions of being in an alliance in the near future. They have their own alliances that they like and don't want to limit their options.

I personally like SkyTeam but then again I am a loyal DL/AF/AM flyer. While does not have the global coverage the others do so far it is making headway and I believe eventually they will have the SE Asia and S. Pacific covered by way of Malaysia - maybe.



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Reply 8):
A few other airlines that would be good include Emirates, EVA, TAP.

Well TAP are Star Alliance now.

7L



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 9):
Copa, Kenya, MEA, Air Europa and Tarom are all now Associate Members

Hi DeltaDAWG, do you know the date on which the associate members officially joined the alliance?



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1026 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Where is TAM going? Skyteam or OneWorld? Possible Star Alliance when Varig disappears?

User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Mr. EddieDude:

Quote:
AMSTERDAM, June 9, 2005 - At a press briefing following its semiannual meeting in Amsterdam today, the SkyTeam Governing Board announced the finalization of the alliance's Associate Program and named the first carriers selected to begin the joining process: Air Europa of Spain; Copa Airlines of Panama; Kenya Airways of Kenya; and Tarom of Romania. All four carriers have already begun the process of meeting the necessary operational and service standards to attain Associate status, with completion expected in 2006. The airlines will sign a SkyTeam Associate Adherence Agreement (SAAA) this summer.



Quote:
NEW YORK, January 16, 2006 - Today, the SkyTeam Governing Board announced that Middle East Airlines, Air Liban (MEA), Lebanon's national carrier, has taken the first steps toward becoming a SkyTeam Associate Airline.

Air France will serve as the airline's sponsor during the joining process, with completion expected within the next 15 months.

"We are pleased that MEA, with an established presence in the Middle East region and in the Arabic world, is interested in affiliating itself with SkyTeam," said Jean-Cyril Spinetta, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of AIR FRANCE KLM. "The alliance looks forward to working with the airline and providing all passengers with additional opportunities in this high-growth market."

The MEA may be one that is put on hold indefinitely?



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 13):

I don't believe they are full associate members yet...they are just in the stages of becoming one, based on those PRs. For example, my SkyTeam elite status right now means squat on Air Europa, TAROM, Kenya Airways, COPA and MEA...when they become full associate members though, then I'll be able to have priority check-in/boarding/seating etc. As of right now though, if I am on a TAROM flight, I'm a non-status regular passenger.


User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Have AT been courted by, or indicated an intention, to join an alliance? They extend beyond Morocco into Senegal & West Africa through their involvement with V7 (Air Senegal). The number of unattached airlines who could realistically be of significant benefit to an alliance is diminishing rapidly (not this bothers *Alliance!)

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Reply 5):
It doesn't some like to much sense to have an airline based in Belgrade, Serbia & Montenegro. I think that Virgin Atlantic or Alaska would be good.

I don't think people based in Serbia, or Eastern/Central Europe would agree with you. They probably wouldn't see the point of having an airline based in SEA in the alliance.



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User currently offlineTR763 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 775 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting Tonytifao (Reply 12):
Where is TAM going?

I believe that the best option for them is to stay out of any alliance, as their relationship with AF and AA are very good.
When they announced the flight to LHR, the first thing i thought was: TAM is going to leave AF and start sharing flights with BA thru LHR and will join One World.
But JJ has recently expanded it's cooperation with AF, so... no alliances is the best option IMO.

Rgs!
TR763



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting ContinentalGuy (Reply 3):
I'm sorry but what is JAT?



Quoting ContinentalGuy (Reply 5):
It doesn't some like to much sense to have an airline based in Belgrade, Serbia & Montenegro. I think that Virgin Atlantic or Alaska would be good.

For a 13 year old, you jump to conclusions fast! Big grin



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User currently offlineDFWMzuri From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
Tarom , Air Europa , Copa and Kenya Airways are all supposed to be joining



Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 9):
especially Kenya with the connections in Africa.

I agree that Kenya Airways will help Skyteam in Africa; I look forward to more options to East Africa.


User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Malaysia Airlines has already relaunched its Enrich FFP to become more in tune with Skyteam and Flying Blue (posted this a while back). 4 new membership tiers - Blue, Silver, Gold and Platinum. Silver, Gold and Platinum have all been coined to have 'Elite' status and discounted economy fares will also earn mileage similar to Flying Blue.

Watch this space...


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