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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Will Air Canada ever consider in the futur adding back to there fleet the B747?

New version of course

1- Never
2- Will see
3- No more 4 engines planes

Would really love to see a fleet of 4 or 6 B747-8

Your thought?

Personnaly think they could use some: Load and prestige

YVR-ASIA, YYZ-FRA/LHR/ASIA, YUL-CDG/FRA

[Edited 2006-07-18 18:18:56]

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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

not for a long time...

Milton used the anti-4 engine rational for the B777 order, so it would be a clear sign of Boeing favoritism (not that there is anything wrong with that)if AC would order B747s.

I personally don't think that AC has the loads right now to justify a B748I order ontop of the 5 B773ERs coming next year.


KrisYYZ


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8553 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
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Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
Will Air Canada ever consider in the futur adding back to there fleet the B747?

New version of course

1- Never

I would have to say "never" - for an airline like AC 6-8 a/c is a very small fleet - better to use the 773 and keep yields up

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
prestige

as many an airline has found out over the years doing things for prestige is a seriously good way to waste a lot $$$



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Why do people keep asking this? Every week the same question, and every week the same answer. NO! Not the 744, not the combi, not 748i and not the freighter.

It does not want small fleets of rogue aircraft. That is a cost factor. It is building a simplified fleet of 777s and 787s.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Maybe after sometime but definitely not now......

User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

i would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)






Garri767


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3012 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2649 times:
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MAYBE for cargo, but as a pax plane, no way.

AC's heaviest long haul runs (YYZ-LHR, YYZ-FRA and YVR-NRT) are all well within the range of the 773 and AC doesn't need the extra capacity of the 47.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 5):
i would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)

AC ordered 3 B744 PW combis from Boeing in the 90's to replace their B742's. AC did inherit Canadians B744's after the merger but they only stayed with AC for a few years.

KrisYYZ

[Edited 2006-07-18 18:52:58]

User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 5):
i would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)

Actually, AC has been a long-standing operator of the 74* series. Flew one back in the early 80s.

I want to say that it was a specific derivative of the 747-400 series they acquired when they bought Canadi>n.



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User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 7):
AC ordered 3 B744 in the PW combis in the 90's to replace their B742's. AC did inherit Canadians B744's after the merger but they only stayed with AC for a few years.

Thanks! in the PW combies? i still havent ever flown one of those  Sad



Garri767


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

sorry,
AC ordered the 3 B744Ms in 01/89.

Their B742's were all combis as well?

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3012 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
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Air Canada 747 fleet:

C-FTOA, 747-133, all pax, to ?
C-FTOB, 747-133, all pax, to Wardair
C-FTOC, 747-133, all pax, retired/scrapped
C-FTOD, 747-133, all pax, retired/scrapped
C-FTOE, 747-133, all pax, retired/scrapped

C-GAGA, 747-233B, all pax, retired
C-GAGB, 747-233B (M), combi, retired
C-GAGC, 747-238B (M) combi, retired, from QANTAS

C-GAGL, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Boeing
C-GAGM, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China
C-GAGN, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China

Add to those the 4 ex Canadian 744s.



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User currently offlineLucky727 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 602 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 5):
would say never because the only reason they ever got 747s in the first place was via the buyout/merger of canadian airlines (correct me if im wrong)

...a little correction, Garri767 ~


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IIRC, AC was one of the launch customers for the 747-100 series, and had a combined fleet of about a dozen (100s, 200s/combis, 400s & 400 combis) from the early 70s until 2003. Not sure if that includes the ones inherited from the Canadi>n merger...here's something from AC's site:

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/historical/b747-100.html

I remember flying on the 100s! each cabin had a colour scheme based on a different season. My dad used to fly them across the country & would upgrade to F for next to nothing...he used to tell stories of "dancing his way across the country" - yup, apparently the upstairs lounge had a small dance floor (and IIRC - ) a piano (!?)

But back on topic, for reasons others have stated above, I don't see them getting any in the future...

Lucky727



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User currently offlineSalomon From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 6):
MAYBE for cargo, but as a pax plane, no way.

Air Canada has already ordered 2 777F.



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User currently offlineAIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 11):

C-GAGL, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Boeing
C-GAGM, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China
C-GAGN, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China

I don't think that is completely correct. C-GAGM is now with Air India as VT-AIM, the other two are being converted to 747-433(SF) for Air China.

ACL1011



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User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
1- Never
2- Will see
3- No more 4 engines planes

Both 1 and 3.

Perhaps if AC grows and needs a larger plane in the future they may buy Boeing's Y3 or the Airbus equivalent, but for now the 773ER is perfect for them.

As for cargo, I see them buying more 777Fs before they would buy 748s, unless air cargo explodes in the next few years.



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 11):
C-GAGM, 747-433M, combi, retired, to Air China

Actually she's operating with AI as VT-AIM "Sunderbans".

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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

AC 747 where use from YUL to MIA early years

than became regular on YUL-FRA


User currently offlineSalomon From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 17):
AC 747 where use from YUL to MIA early years

than became regular on YUL-FRA

Yea and now Air Canada only runs a A319 seasonally on YUL-MIA every Saturday and Sunday... Funny how markets change quickly!



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User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

AC lives in fear of it's unions, so no aircraft type gets added without their approval, and on their terms. Look at the recent order/cancellation/reorder of the 777s and 787s.


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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting Salomon (Reply 18):

Yul-MIA is daily year round with the A-319
YUL-FLL gets a 767 + a320 or embraer daily in winter time  Smile


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting Stormbringer (Reply 19):
AC lives in fear of it's unions, so no aircraft type gets added without their approval, and on their terms. Look at the recent order/cancellation/reorder of the 777s and 787s.

That's the type of culture you get when you have a carrier that was once upon a time the socialist enterprise of the government. Privatizing AC back in the late 1980s was the best thing the Mulroney government did.
As for the possible future re-introduction of the 744 or 748 to the AC fleet, I would have to say NEVER on that one. The 777 is effectively taking the role that frame along with the A340s played in AC's route structure. AC will stay with Boeing for their wide-body fleet for some time I'll predict.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

MIA, MCO, FLL get the 762. I saw a 762 at FLL in Feb of 05 I'm sure it was the gimili glider. I have seen photos of the 763ER @ MIA. Please know the facts before hand. It doesnt help to get critisized. Yes the 767 has been flown to MCO for special events.

Regards MCOflyer



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Here's my 2 cents. There's obviously no need to discuss the 747 cause we've already established it won't happen. My question is - what aircraft will become the new flagship of the fleet? Right now we see the A340 feature in commercials and promo material. When the A340 goes, or even when the Boeings start to arrive, which aircraft will be front and centre?

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

The 773ER

MCOflyer



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25 KrisYYZ : The B777-300ER, it will be the largest aircraft in the fleet, so therefore the flagship. A lot of people refer to the A345's as AC current flagship.
26 N1120A : Well, you can fly one on LAX-FRA on Air India
27 AIRCANL1011 : The B773ER will take over as the Flagship from the A340 when they arrive next year. When the B787 is launched it may takeover as it will introduce som
28 FLYACYYZ : Not this year. During the summer, it's only weekend (Sa/Su) service.
29 Post contains images Gasman : I think there was once a time when to have 747s in a fleet was a mark of ultimate credibility for an airline, but not anymore. Bask in the knowledge
30 Post contains links and images Stormbringer : [Edited 2006-07-19 05:05:40]
31 Post contains images TIMEAIR : Smokin wacky tobbacky huh guys?? We all know the ever popular E170/E190 will become the Queen of the Skies for AC. With the ever popular bumping bags
32 YULYMX : AC767-300 at MIA was probably from YYZ
33 VonRichtofen : They're not as bad as those pile of crap CRJ-705. Talk about an awkward aircraft to turn. I'd rather load a 319!! Kris
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