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744 Landing Smoothness.....  
User currently offlineAvi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10520 times:
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2 weeks ago, I was able to take my first 744 flight (finally!!) on AF. All of my other long trips have always been a mix of 767's and 777's on various airlines. The landing @ CDG was incredibly smooth, perhaps one of the smoothest I have experienced. Is this common for the 744 or was it just a "good landing"? I just expected it to be a little more rough. thanks!


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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4267 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10520 times:

I've never had anything else then smooth landings on several JL 744's. Maybe it's the pilot... maybe it's the aircraft. I don't know Big grin


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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10501 times:

Wasn't it one of Boeing's test pilots who said (about the original B747) that it "almost lands by itself" (due to its huge wings)?

Tony



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10501 times:

The 747 help but pilot got alot to do with it!

User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

I've had a couple rough 747 landings at ICN and BKK in 744s but the weather was a bit out of sorts at the time.


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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10423 times:

I agree that the 747 generally lands smoothly, but I would say the 777 lands even better, maybe due to the position of its undercarriage (the back of the 3 wheels gently touches the tarmac before the rest of the gear hits the ground). It makes me think of an eagle reaching for the ground with ease and experience...


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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10423 times:

I had a horrible landing last year with BA at ORD (BA297 on 08/28/05 to be precise). The plane (G-CIVG) jumped up twice before it was steady on the tarmac. Nah, I guess it's just the pilot and the circumstances that make it good.


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User currently offlineEasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

Flown the 747 a couple of times, and each time the landing was very smooth. I mentioned it in passing to a friend who flies for United (not 747's) and he said that it has to do with the size of the aircraft. He says it creates a pillow of air beneath itself as it descends and almost prevents putting it down too hard.

He's been known to be full of crap sometimes. Anybody care to back him up?



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10371 times:

An old TWA 747 captain told me that the plane has great glide which is one of the reasons it can land smoothly. It is also just bigger and heavier so it is less likely to be knocked around by wind.

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10351 times:

I too have only experienced very smooth landings on my B747 flights. Soo smooth sometimes ,the only indication that the plane has made contact is the spoilers extending.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

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User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10252 times:

Usually AF pilots are quite good for landing smoothly.
I have heard (is this an urban legend) that US pilots tended to land more hardly than others ?

But I had a very hard landing with an AF 744 in May at CDG. As the weather was fine the shock was really unexpected, and many in the cabin were a little scared.
So you never know.



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User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10252 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 5):
I agree that the 747 generally lands smoothly, but I would say the 777 lands even better

I've never had a rough landing in a 777. Though my experience in them is more limited than the 747, I'd say all aspects of the ride were better.



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User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10171 times:

One of my former airplanes was the 744 at UA. It was a very easy airplane to fly and land smoothly. Kind of like driving a big Cadillac around. It was unique in that at around 200 feet, you had to make a conscious push forward and power reduction or else the ground effect would cause you to sail long. All in all, my second favorite airplane to fly next to the 757.


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User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Years ago I flew SAA 747 from ATL-CPT and back. We also had a 747 on the return from JNB going JNB-CPT-SAL-ATL. All 4 landings were as smooth as can be. I asked a pilot for them who was also an anetter about the landings..He simply said...It is just like a Cessna, just with more restrooms! I too was amazed at how smooth the landings were for such a large aircraft.

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J



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User currently offlineBishopOfPHL From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10114 times:

I've noticed this as well, sometime you don't even notice you've made contact.

However, I've always noticed on takeoff that there's a distinct wobble and shudder to the 74's on takeoff roll and initial climbout. Maybe it's just me though.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

the worst landing are with A320s and 737s


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User currently offlineBrownBat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

Quoting TGV (Reply 11):
I have heard (is this an urban legend) that US pilots tended to land more hardly than others ?

And where did you hear this I'm curious?


User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10036 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 7):
He says it creates a pillow of air beneath itself as it descends and almost prevents putting it down too hard.

Yeah, i've head this. There used a be a documentary on Discovery Wings which a few 747 pilots commented on the 'pillow'. Tozairport also comments on this.
Makes sense I suppose!

Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):
the worst landing are with A320s and 737s

I second that!


User currently offlineCXB744 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 7):
Flown the 747 a couple of times, and each time the landing was very smooth. I mentioned it in passing to a friend who flies for United (not 747's) and he said that it has to do with the size of the aircraft. He says it creates a pillow of air beneath itself as it descends and almost prevents putting it down too hard

It's not a pillow, and the pilot should know better. Its called "ground effect". Simply put, its the interference of the ground with air flow patterns around the wing.

Ground effect is felt within a wing span of the ground. 744 = BIG wing span.

The weight of the jet helps bring the B744 through ground effect, but there is still resistance, thus a smooth landing, or "greaser."



What is it? It's A 747-400, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9944 times:

Quoting BrownBat (Reply 17):
And where did you hear this I'm curious?

From friend who travelled a lot some years ago and was positive about this fact. According to him it was safer to do like that. But as I said I have no idea if this is true !



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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9901 times:
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I heard that it was the 747's 4-gear truck system that always made for a rather cushioned landing. I myself have always ALWAYS had lovely landings in the 747. The next best I ever had was the MD-11. It seems that the less number of main wheels, the worse the landings. 737/A320, then 757/767/777... then 747... in order of my opinion of the worst to best landings  Smile

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User currently offlineMBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

I've been only once on a 747 and I can't remember how the landing was, but what I can tell is that all the A340/A330 landings I experienced till now were really-really smooth...


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2385 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Smoothest landing I have ever tried was onbard an SK A330-300 CPH-IAD two years ago.. barely felt it when we hit the runway

User currently offlineLawrenceMck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9752 times:

I had a hell of a hard landing last year here at MAN in a 742. We slammed onto the runway with some force! We hit the tarmac so hard that several of the overhead storage bins opened, but I have to say, it was one of the most exciting landings ever!  Silly

Also had some very smooth landings in the 744 and 772, to be honest I prefer the harder landings, much more fun!  Smile

Lawrence



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25 AirPacific747 : Worst landing I have had has been onboard 767s. Years ago, I flew with SK on their 767-300ER CPH-HKG (Kai Tak). The landing was the scariest landing I
26 N754PR : Rather silly post this as the landing is upto the crew. If they do a nice landing its smooth, if they slam it down its not... simple as that.
27 ThrottleHold : Totally wrong. How long will it take people to realise that a smooth landing is not necessarily a good landing? A landing may be smooth, but if the p
28 Tito : Its the pilot, either great skill or luck, usually luck. I've had my share of "landings" that really pounded the pavement as well as greasers. I don't
29 HZ747300 : I agree! There is nothing more fun than when the plane smacks the ground and you feel it in your bones. Sometimes the luggage bins pop open debris be
30 Siafan : I remember once i flew back SIN-FRA on QF the landing in FRA was so smooth that you hardly noticed that you where on the ground already. The captain w
31 VHTAE : I agree, the landing of a A330 is very smooth. I have flown on a Qantas A330-200 and landing was great. Thanks VH-TAE.
32 Erela : I recall a really rough landing at AF 742 some 10 years ago at NBO when all gas masks came down as well as much of the luggage above, so it's the circ
33 SkyHigh777 : A month ago I flew the SAA flight from IAD-JNB with a stop in Dakar. The landing in Dakar was really really rough, so much so that the woman sitting n
34 Jbguller : I've only ever had one bad landing on a 747 - August last year, flight from LAX-SYD approaching SYD at nighttime - the plane hardly had time to flare,
35 LPLAspotter : Agree totally. I flew my only 777 with SQ from MNL to SIN and I didn't realize we were on the ground until the thrust reversers deployed. LPLAspotter
36 StarGoldLHR : Ive flown dozens of 747's from various different airlines.. (UA, SQ, AF, BA, NW, LH, VS) honestly its down to the pilot and the local weather conditio
37 Monkeyboi : The reason the 747 usually lands so smoothly is due to the mass of the aircraft producing a large cusion of air, once the aircraft is in close proximi
38 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : I'd suspect that a pilot with many times your experience does "know better." He gave the typical "in a nutshell" explanation, playing to his audience
39 Nohag : I don't know what the problem is with Dakar but I have never ever experienced a smooth landing there. (2 times very hard or "firm", 3rd time a go-aro
40 Bestpilot : That test pilot was Jack Waddell, he's the guy who said that. The combination of the huge 4 bogie gear and the massive flaps make for a big cushion o
41 727forever : In my experience, The 767 is the most consistant hard lander, but the 727 typically gives the hardest and yes, it is very difficult to achieve greaser
42 EasternSon : It's not that he should know better, he probably does, but in explaining it to a layman (such as myself) he probably dumbed it down a bit. He's a ver
43 Birdbrainz : That is due to either 1.) an out of balance wheel spinning down, and as the landing gear retracts, the gyroscopic force changes direction, -or- 2.) s
44 Bond007 : Correct! A smooth landing sure needs a stabilized approach and correct flare, and speeds etc. etc., but luck plays a fairly big role. As an aircraft
45 Post contains images Gregarious119 : I'm not sure if we had some pretty big crosswinds or if he just came in off-center, but last time we flew BA from LHR-JFK, we had a pretty rough time
46 Dc10s4ever : There is an old saying "It is almost impossible to have a bad landing in a 747" ..."The 747 is a big pussycat"....Joe Patroni
47 Post contains images NW747-400 : Could be the autoland feature that makes it smooth
48 Longhaulheavy : My brother-in-law flew for the air force, and once told me that pilots would get grief from other pilots if they made landings that were too smooth.
49 Flyabunch : Well, good old Joe never met a TWA captain that my wife and I had the misfortune to fly with on a flight from Rome to JFK in 1980. He really abused t
50 Ripdog : My limited experience on the 747 have always seem to have nice gentle touchdowns. One trip into Narita with NW. The crew gave us our meal while we wer
51 BEYauty : I've flown multiple times on 747's, BA, Thai, NWA, Lufthansa and was always impressed by how smoothly they landed, that is until a couple of weeks ago
52 TF39 : Many of the landings I've experienced on the 747 weren't noticeable until I heard the TRs deploy - extremely smooth. What's really cool is listening t
53 ChiGB1973 : 747 and 777 pilots are generally the most experienced in the sky. I think that pretty much sums it up! M
54 ThrottleHold : Maybe in the USA, but not necessarily elsewhere. I fly 747's and have friends much more experienced than me who fly ATR's, 320's and 737's.
55 Post contains images Riyadhnurse : 10 yrs working in the middle east.and numerous occasions to fly,mostly 743 &744"s and L-1011's. Never experienced any rough landings even in bad weath
56 HighFlyer9790 : yup. it was jack waddel, the 747-100 chief test pilot.
57 AirPacific747 : Respect!!!!
58 VEEREF : Also the structure of the landing gear plays a part. For example, a 300fpm touchdown in a 767 may "feel" harder than say, the same 300fpm touch in a 7
59 797 : Yeah this is true. The two times I've flown on a 777 (Alitalia's) I experienced two incredibly smooth landings, and I felt the rear-end wheels touch
60 Post contains images ZKSUJ : I've seen on discovery channel that the 744 is rated the nicest to land. This is due to the size of the wiing area and its ability to provide a 'cushi
61 Ktachiya : I have done numerous, numerous flights with the B744. Yes, indeed every time pretty much, it was smooth. Well watching from the side when spotting som
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