Avi8tir From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 414 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10608 times:
2 weeks ago, I was able to take my first 744 flight (finally!!) on AF. All of my other long trips have always been a mix of 767's and 777's on various airlines. The landing @ CDG was incredibly smooth, perhaps one of the smoothest I have experienced. Is this common for the 744 or was it just a "good landing"? I just expected it to be a little more rough. thanks!
AlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10511 times:
I agree that the 747 generally lands smoothly, but I would say the 777 lands even better, maybe due to the position of its undercarriage (the back of the 3 wheels gently touches the tarmac before the rest of the gear hits the ground). It makes me think of an eagle reaching for the ground with ease and experience...
EHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10511 times:
I had a horrible landing last year with BA at ORD (BA297 on 08/28/05 to be precise). The plane (G-CIVG) jumped up twice before it was steady on the tarmac. Nah, I guess it's just the pilot and the circumstances that make it good.
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EasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10479 times:
Flown the 747 a couple of times, and each time the landing was very smooth. I mentioned it in passing to a friend who flies for United (not 747's) and he said that it has to do with the size of the aircraft. He says it creates a pillow of air beneath itself as it descends and almost prevents putting it down too hard.
He's been known to be full of crap sometimes. Anybody care to back him up?
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Tozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10259 times:
One of my former airplanes was the 744 at UA. It was a very easy airplane to fly and land smoothly. Kind of like driving a big Cadillac around. It was unique in that at around 200 feet, you had to make a conscious push forward and power reduction or else the ground effect would cause you to sail long. All in all, my second favorite airplane to fly next to the 757.
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10244 times:
Years ago I flew SAA 747 from ATL-CPT and back. We also had a 747 on the return from JNB going JNB-CPT-SAL-ATL. All 4 landings were as smooth as can be. I asked a pilot for them who was also an anetter about the landings..He simply said...It is just like a Cessna, just with more restrooms! I too was amazed at how smooth the landings were for such a large aircraft.
CXB744 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10044 times:
Quoting EasternSon (Reply 7): Flown the 747 a couple of times, and each time the landing was very smooth. I mentioned it in passing to a friend who flies for United (not 747's) and he said that it has to do with the size of the aircraft. He says it creates a pillow of air beneath itself as it descends and almost prevents putting it down too hard
It's not a pillow, and the pilot should know better. Its called "ground effect". Simply put, its the interference of the ground with air flow patterns around the wing.
Ground effect is felt within a wing span of the ground. 744 = BIG wing span.
The weight of the jet helps bring the B744 through ground effect, but there is still resistance, thus a smooth landing, or "greaser."
What is it? It's A 747-400, but that's not important right now.
AA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2554 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9989 times:
I heard that it was the 747's 4-gear truck system that always made for a rather cushioned landing. I myself have always ALWAYS had lovely landings in the 747. The next best I ever had was the MD-11. It seems that the less number of main wheels, the worse the landings. 737/A320, then 757/767/777... then 747... in order of my opinion of the worst to best landings
LawrenceMck From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9840 times:
I had a hell of a hard landing last year here at MAN in a 742. We slammed onto the runway with some force! We hit the tarmac so hard that several of the overhead storage bins opened, but I have to say, it was one of the most exciting landings ever!
Also had some very smooth landings in the 744 and 772, to be honest I prefer the harder landings, much more fun!
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: Rather silly post this as the landing is upto the crew. If they do a nice landing its smooth, if they slam it down its not... simple as that.
: Totally wrong. How long will it take people to realise that a smooth landing is not necessarily a good landing? A landing may be smooth, but if the p
: Its the pilot, either great skill or luck, usually luck. I've had my share of "landings" that really pounded the pavement as well as greasers. I don't
: I agree! There is nothing more fun than when the plane smacks the ground and you feel it in your bones. Sometimes the luggage bins pop open debris be
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: The reason the 747 usually lands so smoothly is due to the mass of the aircraft producing a large cusion of air, once the aircraft is in close proximi
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: It's not that he should know better, he probably does, but in explaining it to a layman (such as myself) he probably dumbed it down a bit. He's a ver
: That is due to either 1.) an out of balance wheel spinning down, and as the landing gear retracts, the gyroscopic force changes direction, -or- 2.) s
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: 747 and 777 pilots are generally the most experienced in the sky. I think that pretty much sums it up! M
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