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Updates Of HAs Ex-Delta 767-300 (nonERs)  
User currently offlineLAHAINA From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

Anyone out there with news on as to when these 767-300s will be put into service? Will they be retrofitted with new seats and new overhead bins?

Thanks for any info.

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9603 posts, RR: 69
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7512 times:
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Yes, new interiors are being installed at PAE. I think there are 4 birds here currently.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

what will the regs be? will it start at 596? and what were the old DL regs?

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

I will be travelling to PAE as part of the HA Inflight inspection team on August 1st, and will report back here with updates.
Target date for 1st plane put in service will be the first week of September I believe.
From what I gather, the aircraft will bare no resemblance to the aircraft that we inspected in Victorville, CA back in March. The 4 767's will have completely new interiors including seats, 777 overhead bins, sidewalls, galleys, and IFE.
I believe that I read somewhere in an internal memo here that the 4 aircraft will be registered as 594-597, but I will be able to confirm this in a few weeks.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 3):
777 overhead bins, sidewalls

The first plane will enter service without the Heath Tecna Nu-Look bins and sidewalls. The bins should be ready for the second plane and the first one will get retrofit later.

Tod


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 4):
The first plane will enter service without the Heath Tecna Nu-Look bins and sidewalls. The bins should be ready for the second plane and the first one will get retrofit later.

Thanks for that Tod.
I had been told that the first aircraft that we put into service will be about 75% finished but I was not sure which of the modifications would or wouldn't be complete. You have just answered that question. I was also told however, that the remaining 3 aircraft will be completely finished when they are put into service later this fall, are you able to confirm this?

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
I was also told however, that the remaining 3 aircraft will be completely finished when they are put into service later this fall, are you able to confirm this?

According to the Heath Tecna Lead Engineer on the program (he's about three feet away from me) the Heath Tecna portion of the program (bins, ceilings, sidewalls, PSU) will be 100 percent starting with the second plane.

Tod


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2557 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7254 times:

Scheduled entry-into-service date for the first plane is September 6th.

Quoting Tod (Reply 4):
The first plane will enter service without the Heath Tecna Nu-Look bins and sidewalls. The bins should be ready for the second plane and the first one will get retrofit later.

Correct. Once all four have entered service, the first one will go back to PAE to get the interior installed. And yes, all the planes are getting brand new seats.

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 2):
what will the regs be? will it start at 596? and what were the old DL regs?

According to the latest output from our management, they will be 594HA, and 596 - 598HA. The number 595 is currently unavailable. Apparently once a number has be 'deregistered' there is a certain waiting period before it can be used again. The original aircraft 595 is in private hands, and only recently gave up that number. Eventually HA will get it back, but not before the new planes show up. HA has also reserved the numbers 560 - 569 for future use too. The planes were originally 116DL - 119DL.

HAL

[Edited 2006-07-19 00:07:54]


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User currently offlineTheLUREnyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7178 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 5):
Thanks for that Tod.
I had been told that the first aircraft that we put into service will be about 75% finished but I was not sure which of the modifications would or wouldn't be complete. You have just answered that question. I was also told however, that the remaining 3 aircraft will be completely finished when they are put into service later this fall, are you able to confirm this?

You sound like a news anchorman who's talking to a field reporter giving him breaking news on a story.


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1353 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 7):
The original aircraft 595 is in private hands, and only recently gave up that number. Eventually HA will get it back, but not before the new planes show up.

HAL, are you referring to getting back the number or the aircraft?

Quoting TheLUREnyc (Reply 8):
You sound like a news anchorman who's talking to a field reporter giving him breaking news on a story.

You sound like you need to take something for your ADD.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineLahaina From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Will the 1st aircraft come into HNL carrying passengers--perhaps from the Wet Coast?

User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Quoting Lahaina (Reply 10):
perhaps from the Wet Coast?

You bet. This will be the first one-stop HA flight between Hawaii and Seattle. PAX may get splashed during the tech stop 1500nm out of HNL.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2557 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
HAL, are you referring to getting back the number or the aircraft?

Unfortunately, it's just the number we'll be getting back. The plane is firmly in the hands of that rich soccer team owner Roman Abramovich.


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Quoting Lahaina (Reply 10):
Will the 1st aircraft come into HNL carrying passengers--perhaps from the Wet Coast?

Whether it's raining or not, the planes will fly empty to HNL first, so they can be given a final checkout by our own maintenance staff before they go on a revenue flight.

HAL



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6917 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
HAL, are you referring to getting back the number or the aircraft?

I'm sure he's refering to the number.

Quoting Lahaina (Reply 10):
Will the 1st aircraft come into HNL carrying passengers

Nope. It will ferry in and get looked over in HNL by maintenance and be blessed by a kahu before entering service.


User currently offlineHnlBoi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

I just took a HA flight from LAS to HNL seemed like it was a ex delta plane, the First Class seats were this dark khaki color. The coach cabin had blue leather seats. But the walls had the Hawaiian colors and hawaiian floral deisgn That plane did show signs of againg.

User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

Hnlboi, was that N583HA? I flew that earlier this month on the Midnight Madness flight LAS-HNL. It had the old bins, but the seats are pretty comfortable. I find HA's "new" purple cloth ones a little too thin, but better then some other carriers.

Does HA have plans to upgrade the ex-LTU planes to these same standards?
Also, why does ship 583 have its own, unique safety card?

Aq737


User currently offlineHnlBoi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 15):

As a matter of fact I think it was, N583HA. The seats were comfortable like you mentioned. On theway up to Vegas we had the purple cloth seats and those were OK. I didnt really notice the unique safety card. That was first time for me that I didnt open that safety card. How is that midnight madness flight? Everytime i book my flight i always debate to take that one home or the 10am departure. I guess the one good thing about that flight is you can rest on the way home and be ready for work when you arrive in HNL. haha. Only thing you cant sleep that night at the hotel or else you might just oversleep.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2557 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting AQ737 (Reply 15):
Does HA have plans to upgrade the ex-LTU planes to these same standards?
Also, why does ship 583 have its own, unique safety card?

We will not be changing the interior of the LTU planes. They are leased, and therefore the lessors determine whether or not the interior will be changed, not Hawaiian. The ex-Delta planes were bought outright by HA, so we can do with them as we please.

Ship 583 has a unique door configuration compared to the other LTU planes, that being a swing-down door at the #3 position instead of an overwing exit window as the other LTU's have, therefore the need for a different diagram on the safety card.

HAL



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User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

Thank you, HAL. Hnlboi, the 2:45am departure out of Las Vegas is very good because it allows you the "red eye" experience. You get into HNL before the morning traffic as well. I found that although the connection experience at LAS isn't the best, I could "make" my own connections through LAS to fly that flight because it allows a full day on the mainland and you're still home in Hawaii for a full day as well, similar to the red eyes out of Hawaii. I was able to leave Minneapolis at 10:00pm and connect through Las Vegas -- effectively sleeping my way back to HNL rather than wasting daylight.

Aq737


User currently offlineHnlBoi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

How many versions of the 763 does HA operate? Does anyone know all the names of the planes?

User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6473 times:

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 19):
How many versions of the 763 does HA operate?


Lets see...aircraft #580-582 have four door exits on each side and the capacity is 18/234. They are the aircraft that were originally going to Ansett.
aircraft #583 is the oddball from LTU and it also has four doors on each side but the capacity is 18/241.Aircraft #584-586 has 3 door exits in addition to 2 overwing exits and has a capacity of 18/241. These planes are also ex LTU and came with the airshow program.Aircraft #587-593 are the "good" planes as that is what we call them. Its funny that its usually the first question asked in briefing..."what aircraft # do we have today ? " They have a capacity of 18/246. They have 4 cabin doors on each side plus 2 overwing windows on each side. These planes also have 2 additional life rafts located near the overwing exits.

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 19):
Does anyone know all the names of the planes?

The only ones that I remember is #580 (KOLEA) and #587 (PAKALAKALA) .Kolea was the first 767 and Pakalakala was the aircraft we performed the mini evac for the FAA.

pualani


User currently offlineHAVIK747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Does anyone know if HAL will name the new 763s? Mahalo
767 33A ER N580HA Kolea (Pacific Golden-Plover)
767 33A ER N581HA Manu o Ku (White Tern)
767 33A ER N582HA Ake'ake (Band-Rumped Storm Petrel)
767 33A ER N583HA A (Booby)
767 3G5 ER N584HA Kioea (Bristle-Thighed Curlew)
767 3G5 ER N585HA Noio (Black Noddy)
767 3G5 ER N586HA Ou (Bulwer's Petrel)
767 33A ER N587HA Pakalakala (Gray-Backed Tern)
767 3CB ER N588HA 'Iwa (Frigatebird)
767 33A ER N589HA Moli (Frigatebird)
767 3DF ER N590HA Koa'e'ula (Red-Tailed Tropicbird)
767 33A ER N591HA 'Akekeke (Ruddy Turnstone)
767 3CB ER N592HA Hunakai (Sanderling)
767 33A ER N593HA Nene (Goose)
767-332 N594HA
767-332 N596HA
767-332 N597HA
767-332 N598HA


User currently offlineHnlBoi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting Pualani (Reply 20):
Lets see...aircraft #580-582 have four door exits on each side and the capacity is 18/234. They are the aircraft that were originally going to Ansett.
aircraft #583 is the oddball from LTU and it also has four doors on each side but the capacity is 18/241.Aircraft #584-586 has 3 door exits in addition to 2 overwing exits and has a capacity of 18/241. These planes are also ex LTU and came with the airshow program.Aircraft #587-593 are the "good" planes as that is what we call them. Its funny that its usually the first question asked in briefing..."what aircraft # do we have today ? " They have a capacity of 18/246. They have 4 cabin doors on each side plus 2 overwing windows on each side. These planes also have 2 additional life rafts located near the overwing exits.

So Pualani why are #587-593 the "good: planes? Are pilots the same way as they like to fly a specific aircraft like Kolea for example. By the way why is it that at HNL Terminal the LAS departure flight is the only filght to leave out of the interisland terminal, they have desk and sign just for the LAS departure flights. I thought HA always flew out of the international side.


User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

LAS flights leave from the main terminal just like all other mainland U.S. departures. All interisland terminal gates are for narrowbodies to my knowledge. However, is HA also starting to use the central concourse? When I was there, I saw a '67 parked at the gate on the CC closest to the ewa concourse. Was this just an anomoly?

Aq737


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6262 times:

Quoting HnlBoi (Reply 22):
So Pualani why are #587-593 the "good: planes? Are pilots the same way as they like to fly a specific aircraft like Kolea for example. By the way why is it that at HNL Terminal the LAS departure flight is the only filght to leave out of the interisland terminal, they have desk and sign just for the LAS departure flights. I thought HA always flew out of the international side.



Quoting AQ737 (Reply 23):
LAS flights leave from the main terminal just like all other mainland U.S. departures. All interisland terminal gates are for narrowbodies to my knowledge. However, is HA also starting to use the central concourse? When I was there, I saw a '67 parked at the gate on the CC closest to the ewa concourse. Was this just an anomoly?

For mainland flights that leave after 9pm (after the interisland flights have slowed to a trickle), HA often uses the last interisland gate (61) for mainland flights....saves the passengers the LONG walk.

-Aloha!



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25 Ha763 : No, but the names should follow the pattern of the other 767s, which is native birds that fly long distances. Did you participate in that mini-evac?
26 Pualani : These planes are comfortable for both passengers and crew alike. There are the "777 bins" so there seems to be space for most carryons.The galleys ar
27 Rjm717 : One other item unique to ship 583 ("A"- I love that name!) is that it has a large forward cargo door, the other LTU aircraft do not. That means it can
28 HALFA : Actually Pualani, these aircraft only have 2 cabin doors on each side plus 2 overwing window exits per side. And I agree with you, I much prefer work
29 Brons2 : What is HA's actual Boeing code? That list above is all over the place.
30 Hawaiian717 : Yeah, I remember that. Back in the DC-10 days I flew HA4 HNL-LAX more than once, and there was often both my flight and the Vacations Hawaii nonstop
31 Tod : 767 manufactured for HA are identified in Boeing engineering as HWI 767-31D. Tod
32 Alohajock : Mahalo Nui Loa (Thank you very much), to all of you for keeping everyone updated on Hawaiian's 767 fleet. Proud to see Hawaiian moving ahead... Aloha,
33 Alohajock : With the purchase of these 4 Ex-Delta -300's, (N116~119DL) it seems that Hawaiian is returning to servicing GE CF6 engines like the good old days on t
34 PDXFlyBoy : Looking forward to your updates. I hope your trip to PAE today for the inspection is a good one! Aloha!
35 Havik747 : According to the lasted HA maintenance and engineering info I have they will keep the PW and GE engines on the respective aircraft.
36 Tod : The interior mods to the second plane are getting underway at PAE now. Tod
37 Alohajock : Remaining on the subject of HA's 767, does Delta Airlines continue to perform all the heavy B/C maintenance on Hawaiian's birds in Atlanta ?? From whe
38 EVA777SEA : Are one of these planes going to be flying the SEA-HNL route this November when it goes from 7 to 10 flights a week?
39 Hawaiian717 : They could but only if Hawaiian contracted them. These aircraft aren't being leased, Hawaiian actually bought them. Possible. The planes are expected
40 Pualani : I think he was asking if all our 767 fleet was getting their heavy maintenance in ATL. I dont know actually where they go, I can ask when I fly again
41 Alohajock : Okay Guys, Please get me back on track....these 4 ex-Delta are contracted to Goodrich Corp in Everett for transition and outfitting, but they are NOT
42 Alohajock : Viewing HA's Press release, it seems that they are expecting to place the first of these 4 new planes somewhere in early September....On the 6th, the
43 Post contains links and images Ha763 : DL does not do heavy checks for HA. Goodrich does all the heavy checks at PAE. DL is only contracted for maintenance at HA's mainland stations. Here'
44 Alohajock : Okay guys, Let's talk prices and Hawaiian thrifty shopping! In my HA Annual Report, it is noted that in Feb and Mar 2006, they went out and purchased
45 Alohajock : To My "HA Friends" on this Forum: Any updates on when the first of these planes will land in Honolulu.?? Does anyone have photos of these Delta birds
46 HnlBoi : Can the Ex DL 767-300 do the SYD-HNL routes?
47 HAL : No, they can't. They'll be limited to the Hawaii - west coast flights. It's quite possible they won't be able to do PHX or LAS in hot weather or with
48 Lahaina : Can someone tell me what the maxium range of the nonER -300 plane is, assuming a payload of 269 passengers and luggage, average headwind westbound fro
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