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Where Do KLM 772's Fly?  
User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Hello, all.

Just out of curiousity, Where do KLM 777-200ER's fly? I know they route AMS-JFK, and sometimes AMS-YYZ (atleast previously), but what other routes typically are flown by a 772 for KLM? Thanks in advance.

-Ryan

sorry if this has been discussed.


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User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5637 times:

KL flies it's 777's to CPT, NBO, DAR, YYZ, PVG, JRO, NRT, KIX, CTU, DXB, MNL, GRU, CAI, JFK, DEL, SFO, and obviously AMS.

JOE.  Wink

[Edited 2006-07-19 03:02:32]

User currently offlineORDTerminal1 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5631 times:

and coming sometime next year to a Chicago area airport near you


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User currently offlineTouchdown777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 1):
KL flies it's 777's to CPT, NBO, DAR, JRO, NRT, KIX, CTU, DXB, MNL, GRU, CAI, EWR

Is this a sub route for the 772? I thought EWR was a 767 route?

Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 2):
and coming sometime next year to a Chicago area airport near you

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User currently offlineAmerican777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

Quoting Touchdown777 (Reply 3):
I thought EWR was a 767 route?

That route has has been replaced by their new A330's.

JOE.  Wink


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quoting Touchdown777 (Reply 3):
Is this a sub route for the 772? I thought EWR was a 767 route?

KL is flying A332 and on a few days a week a second flight with a 772 into EWR this summer.

Hope both flights are successful so that they do it again next summer!


User currently offlineTouchdown777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 4):
That route has has been replaced by their new A330's.



Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
KL is flying A332 and on a few days a week a second flight with a 772 into EWR this summer.

Hope both flights are successful so that they do it again next summer!

Glad to hear. Being that I am not much of a fan of the Boeing 767 .. I am glad to see that they are flying more 772s to EWR during the summer months along with the 330. I wish this was a year-round event.

T7


User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 2):
and coming sometime next year to a Chicago area airport near you

Great!! is this definite?

-Ryan



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User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5494 times:
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Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 2):
and coming sometime next year to a Chicago area airport near you

How do you figure? state your source.

Leo



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5436 times:

Quoting American777 (Reply 1):
KL flies it's 777's to CPT, NBO, DAR, YYZ, PVG, JRO, NRT, KIX, CTU, DXB, MNL, GRU, CAI, JFK, DEL, SFO, and obviously AMS

DAR and JRO are currently operated with B772 but that flight will revert back to MD11 for the winter.

DEL is currently not operated with B772 but with MD11, but will once again receive the B772 from the winter onward.

YYZ is currently operated with B744 pax version, and only occasionally received the B772. However, YYZ is set to be an all B772 destination next winter.

PVG is not receiving any more B772. It is operated uniquely with B74E.

NRT and CAI are mixed destinations. Apart from the B772, KLM also operates the MD11 to CAI and the B744/B74E to NRT.

EWR received two weekly B772 flights, which are extra seasonal late evening flights.

JFK gets an all B772 service on KL641/642, whereas KL643/644 operates the B772 only twice weekly.

SFO is not currently operated with the B772, but with the MD11. There are no plans for SFO to receive the B772 in the foreseeable future.

ACC, not mentioned in the list, receives a daily B772 from AMS as KL589/590.


Finally:

Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 2):
and coming sometime next year to a Chicago area airport near you

There are no plans I know of to deploy the B772 on the daily AMS-ORD route. The increase from 280-seat B74E to the 327-seat B772 would mean a considerable capacity increase on the route, which the performance of that route doesn't warrant, not to mention that KLM needs the B74E for cargo its space. As far as I know, ORD will stay B74E for quite some time to come.


User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
As far as I know, ORD will stay B74E for quite some time to come.

I have'nt heard anything of KL flying a 772 to ORD either, although I've been reallly hoping for it. can anyone verify any news on this; has anyone heard such a thing?

-Ryan

I know off topic, but has anyone heard AF may start bringing their 332's to ORD on a consisent basis?



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User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5395 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
There are no plans I know of to deploy the B772 on the daily AMS-ORD route. The increase from 280-seat B74E to the 327-seat B772 would mean a considerable capacity increase on the route, which the performance of that route doesn't warrant, not to mention that KLM needs the B74E for cargo its space. As far as I know, ORD will stay B74E for quite some time to come.

Don't forget DXB also gets the 777. Also... United flies to AMS from ORD and I know that ORD is an important cargo hub for KLM. Any chance of KL going daily double to ORD?

Leo



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User currently offlineORDTerminal1 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

I was searching on www.kayak.com, for an ORD-FCO flight. One option was KLM and it was most defintely on a Triple 7. I am truly sorry that the date I searched for escapes me, but I know it was during a period when demand for European travel somewhat wavers. I was in disbelief as well, but yes, I saw 777.


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User currently offlineORDTerminal1 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

Yes found it, May 2007

May 7th 2007
KLM Flight Number 612
ORD-AMS
B777

May 10th 2007
KLM Flight Number 611
AMS-ORD
B777



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User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 13):
Yes found it, May 2007

thank you, you are right, I have also found something :

Airline : KLM
City : Chicago (ORD)-Amsterdam (AMS)
Depart (ORD) 4:45 pm, Arrive (AMS) 7:45 am
KLM #0612
Aircraft Type : 777 Jet

..this was taken from a.net flight booking services. do a search for May 5, 2007 on our home page under "book flight", ORD-AMS

-Ryan



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

KL brings their 777's to SFO during the summer...such a BEAUTY.. bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

There has been talk by AF/KL replacing single daily AMS-LAX B747 with double daily "smaller" aircraft in the future. KLM for a little while in past years did operate a 2nd LAX flight on certain days to connect to different banks at its AMS hub.

Certainly the 777 or MD-11 would qualify being the "smaller" equipment their sales office makes mention of.

Suppose it would be interesting having 4 daily AF/KL 777s to LAX, while providing great connection opportunities at AMS and CDG.



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User currently offlineMdutch From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5194 times:

KLM's downloadable timetable also shows a 777 to ORD from april 30 onwards.

User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

Quoting Mdutch (Reply 17):
KLM's downloadable timetable also shows a 777 to ORD from april 30 onwards.

great!



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 10):
I know off topic, but has anyone heard AF may start bringing their 332's to ORD on a consisent basis?

The route is planned to stay with A343, but there will be reduction in frequency for the winter from daily to 6 times weekly. ORD is not the best performer for Air France.

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 11):
Any chance of KL going daily double to ORD?

Highly unlikely.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
KL brings their 777's to SFO during the summer...such a BEAUTY..

That was last summer. For the current summer schedule KLM has decided to stick with the MD11 and that is likely to remain so for the next winter schedule as well.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 16):
There has been talk by AF/KL replacing single daily AMS-LAX B747 with double daily "smaller" aircraft in the future. KLM for a little while in past years did operate a 2nd LAX flight on certain days to connect to different banks at its AMS hub.

There is talk of reinforcing a couple of well performing destinations, including LAX and HKG, with additional seasonal frequencies. It is likely that the A332 would be used for such additional frequencies. KLM is currently planning to install crew rest areas in the A332 - they will be bunks located in the cargo hold - so as to be able to deploy the A332 on routes with a block time of over 11 hours.

Quoting ORDTerminal1 (Reply 12):
I was in disbelief as well, but yes, I saw 777.

I stand corrected on this one. And at the same time, I am in disbelief. I have access to quite some KLM related info, but I had never read or heard anything pertaining to the deployment of the B772 to ORD next summer. Yet, the flight is currently loaded with the B772. Many things can still change though. At this moment, not even KLM's winter schedule has been finalized, let alone next year's summer program.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
whereas KL643/644 operates the B772 only twice weekly

Hey, what days of the week does the 772 fly KL643/644. I am taking those flights in october on friday, both ways... please tell me those will be 772 flights. I am getting a bit sick of the 744. I have flown that aircraft so many times it's not funny anymore, and I've yet to fly a 772.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
KL brings their 777's to SFO during the summer...such a BEAUTY..

ROFLMAO... any chance you get to post that photo huh?? HAHAHA, you really crack me up with that. Everytime there is a KLM topic you show up with that pic.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 20):
Hey, what days of the week does the 772 fly KL643/644. I am taking those flights in october on friday, both ways... please tell me those will be 772 flights.

It's your lucky day! B772s operate the flight on Mondays and Fridays, B74E on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, while a full pax B744 is deployed on Sundays.

Quoting Ordryan28 (Thread starter):
Just out of curiousity, Where do KLM 777-200ER's fly?

Just to resume all of the information above, here are the KLM B772ER destinations for the summer and winter schedules:

Summer 2006

KL427/428 AMS DXB daily
KL429/430 AMS DXB 6 weekly
KL553/554 AMS CAI 5 weekly
KL565/566 AMS NBO daily
KL567/569/571 AMS JRO DAR daily
KL589/590 AMS ACC daily
KL597/598 AMS CPT 4 weekly, up to 5 weekly in August
KL641/642 AMS JFK daily
KL643/644 AMS JFK 2 weekly
KL659/660 AMS EWR 2 weekly
KL797/798 AMS GRU daily
KL803/804 AMS MNL daily
KL861/862 AMS NRT 4 weekly
KL867/868 AMS KIX daily
KL891/892 AMS CTU 2 weekly


Winter 2006-2007

KL427/428 AMS DXB daily
KL429/430 AMS DXB daily
KL553/554 AMS CAI 5 weekly
KL565/566 AMS NBO daily
KL587/588 AMS LOS daily
KL597/598 AMS CPT daily
KL641/642 AMS JFK 6 weekly
KL643/644 AMS JFK 3 weekly
KL691/692 AMS YYZ daily
KL797/798 AMS GRU daily
KL803/804 AMS MNL daily
KL861/862 AMS NRT 4 weekly
KL867/868 AMS KIX daily
KL871/872 AMS DEL daily
KL891/892 AMS CTU 2 weekly


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
It's your lucky day! B772s operate the flight on Mondays and Fridays, B74E on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, while a full pax B744 is deployed on Sundays.

Thank goodness!! I also almost took a flight to EWR one way for the a332, but EWR is a bit far to where I'll be staying so I chose JFK for both legs. I guess I'll have plenty of opportunities to fly the a332 yet, so no worries.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4794 times:

KLM do seem to have a lot of overlap in their long haul fleets...

MD-11
767-300
777-200
A330-200

All of these aircrafts do have some degree of overlapping, with range, capability and payloads.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 23):
KLM do seem to have a lot of overlap in their long haul fleets...

MD-11
767-300
777-200
A330-200

All of these aircrafts do have some degree of overlapping, with range, capability and payloads.

Not really actually. The 763 is being phased out, so you can delete that one. The a332 carries 251 pax, the MD11 282 pax and the 772 321 pax. So they are all a different category. BTW the 74E carries 280 pax and the 744 420 pax.



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25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : They've been flying the 777 to SFO the past few years..kind of a bummer its not going to be this year... Only sharing my memories......can you blame
26 Legacyins : KLM uses a 74E combi into LAX with a amx pAX load of about 280. The all passenger 777 has a PAX load of about 325. The MD11 has about the same PAX co
27 Toering : I'm so upset!!! I booked a flight JFK - AMS and back on KL for Sept., and arranged my whole vacation so I could fly on a 744M and then a T7 for the ri
28 AlitaliaMD11 : I was in the same situation as you, I booked JFK-AMS-MAD-AMS-JFK to be on KLM's new 777-200 back in March 2004 and on my return leg the 777-200 sched
29 Laxintl : Interesting that KLM will be using both the A332 and 777 on somewhat similar long haul missions. I know there has been a desire to add a 2nd flight f
30 HB-IWC : It doesn't look as if the B74E on the traditional KL601/602 run is going anywhere. KLM is merely looking into the possibility of reinforcing the exis
31 Lamedianaranja : Call them and explain the situation, easy as that. Exaggerate, cajole, they might do it free of charge. Once at the airport it might be more difficul
32 HB-IWC : Given the current structure of the KL Schiphol hub, I would say that an earlier AMS departure would actually allow for more connections, and if an ad
33 FlyKev : Not to jump in here, but where does KLM fly their 767's now. Kev.
34 HB-IWC : Currently, the 5 remaining B763ERs are deployed on the following routes: KL409/410 AMS ALA 5 weekly KL433/434 AMS THR 5 weekly KL439/440 AMS DMM DOH
35 Cardiffairtaxi : I saw a KLM 777/2 boarding for Seoul last week in AMS.
36 MSYtristar : And all B767's will be replaced by A332's correct?
37 HB-IWC : A one time substitution is always possible, but the AMS-ICN is normally uniquely served with the B74E. All the remaining B763ER routes will eventuall
38 Lfutia : are we getting the 777 to ORD because KLM will have a few more T7's in the fleet. I know ORD is 'een belangrijke vrachtpoort" - an important freight p
39 Ordryan28 : that's what the rumors are. hopefully KL sticks with their 772 plan for ORD. I would absolutely love to see it flying in here. I know ORD is an impor
40 Post contains images ChicagoOhare : Although a 777 would bring a nice change for spotting here at ORD, there is nothing like seeing that big bad boy (747) flying in KLM's great livery.
41 ORDRyan28 : If KL has decided to begin sending 772's to ORD (next year), I guess that means that AMS-ORD has been getting high density? Also, with the 74E not fly
42 HB-IWC : As far as I know, the route has been performing well in economy, but, much like counterpart Air France, there has been a lack of high yielding C-clas
43 Lfutia : When is KL getting their 773's? is it reasonable to send the 773 into ORD than the 772? Leo
44 HB-IWC : The first B773ER is supposed to come as soon as April 2007, and I think we can expect them to be deployed on route that are currently served with the
45 Post contains images Lfutia : ahh natuurlijk. sometimes ORD does get the 744 full pax but not all the time... most of the time is 74M. Anyways... im really excited to see my favour
46 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Me too...ditto! I would love to see some 747-8I's in KL colours..those would rock! Took this photo of a big bad boy KL a few weeks ago from the AA's
47 Post contains links and images Lfutia : on June 29th, I got this picture: Pictured here is KLM 612 to AMS reg: PH-BFF (although the reg isnt shown, I personally saw it at ORD and anyone who
48 Post contains images Jacobin777 : lucky you..got a little piece of "history"... but seriously, I've seen PH-BFF a multitude of times at ORD, and I dont' even live there anymore..
49 ChicagoOhare : Hey Jacobin777, did you ever get that private message I sent you?
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