ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 7 Posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4055 times:
I was comming home on the train from SFO yesterday, and I was chatting with an American Flight Attendant. She said that AA is going to dump the MD-80 for 737s. She said that it won't happen overnight, but in time.
What do you think? Is it true? Where are the MD-80s going to go? I mean, will they be sold to other carriers, or scrapped? Any comments?
Brick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3839 times:
Just like the 727's used to be the MD-80 is the workhorse of the AA fleet. Some of the MD-80's are starting to approach 20 years in service. Replacement will take a while, but eventually the 737-800 will replace the MD-80 as the new "workhorse" of the fleet.
Some of the 767-200's are now pushing 20 years too. I wouldn't be surprised to see DL, UA, AA, and TW to start replacing their older 762's soon.
SQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3817 times:
I thought it was an Airport transit System. When I was leaving SFO, I saw a diagram in the rental car corridor that goes to the airport busses. It was lifesize and I didn't stop and read it 'cause I had to cacth the bus.
Blink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
they will but it will be overtime since AA ordered I believe(please correct) 100+ 737's. I heard the '80's will be around for another 5-10 years before they are gone, AA has reconfigured all of it's MD-80's with new interiors and that means it will be awhile before they are gone(which I hope they never leave)
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
Rotate777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3758 times:
Already? I don't think they should. Some of them are only 8 years old. If they refurbished them, then they will probably keep them for a couple of more years. I think they will slowly phase them out and replace them with the 738s.
BART is suppose to be finished soon but I doubt it. It is suppose to be finished already actually but the workers are idiots. They set fire to the tunnel three times already. Once it's finished, I'll probably take it to SFO to planespot. I live in Milpitas.
AA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2557 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3739 times:
Wouldnt they replace the MD-80 with another 737 like the 736 because the 738 can take on almost or more(?)... passengers than the 727... so why not replace the MD-80s with a smaller A/C? (personally, I think that AA should conver to an ALL 737-800, 757-200, 767-300 and 777-200... and maybe even a few 744's
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3742 times:
I can't picture AA operating a ton of 737s. The only Boeings I can picture in AA colors are 707s, 727s, and 767s. The 747 was nice too but they didn't stick around quite long enough for me to get used to them. The 727 just looks like it was built for AA. It looks absolutely perfect in that polished metal colors for American.
SOUTHPACIFIC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3723 times:
It is sad that the MD-80s will be going now! I like the MD-80. There has to be some in AA's fleet that are like 2 years old, I mean Boeing just shut down the production line! And now people are getting rid of them! Ahhh!
That's like, as soon as the 757 production ends, then DL, UA, AA, etc. get rid of the 757s! What a waste!!
A plane is still good after 20 years! Planes are good until the end of their design life, which in most cases is like 50 years!!!! Geeezze!!
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
AA and Delta are using 738's to replace their 727's, not MD-80's. The 738 holds around 160 pax, the MD-80 holds about 140. I am going to miss the MD-80's when they're gone. It will be the last Douglas design in service. I like Boeings, but I'm going to miss the Douglas designs.
Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3333 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3698 times:
The 737-800s will eventually take place of the MD80s once they have replaced all the 727s. It will be a slow process and they will take over on the longer routes (i.e. ORD-PHX,SEA-DFW) because of they greater range and lift capabilities. Also, such amenities as IFEs are important to customers on longer flights.
AussieErj145 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3644 times:
The MD80s will be pensioned off as time rolls by and the 737-800 will fill the void gradually. the MD80 fleet will reduce as the 737 fleet increases, but I guess many MD80's will find homes with other carriers.
Those that are worried about the demise of the MD80 should not worry to much too soon. Remember the 717? Well now that it's a Boeing there is always a possibility of a 717-300 with a similar size to the older MD80's.
It's not over till it's over.
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3627 times:
As several others have noted, the 738's are first replacing the 727. this was the original plan when AA ordered the 738s. The first quantity was almost one for one as I recall. Yes, as someone noted, then the md-80s will begin to be phased out. Maybe with 738's and a mix of other 737 models, or perhaps with more 757's,as they recently did in the deal trading the ex-Reno aircraft to Boeing for 20 757's over the next 2 or so years. So, we are talking about a 12-15 yr process here not an overnite trade. Someone asked about the 764? hmmm, my guess is yes. It would be a natural fit to replace the A300-600's. The first batch of those were on a lease deal pitting Airbus against Boeing. (the first 763's as I recall)Anyway, with traffic growth, My hunch is we will see an order soon for a mix 764's, just maybe a few 757ERX for some select route development, either more 738's or another model 737,a few more 777(maybe 300s).A longer process here too. Some time to replace the 762's and A300's. Probably a 3-5 or 6 yr schedule.
The 763's and 764's could be rotated to various routes as seasonal demand warrants. Oh,one other item.I agree with 777GK, the 727 almost looked like it was designed for AA. And, yes, the 707 just looked powerful in shiney aluminum! But, ya better get used to the 737's in AA colors, 125 ordered so far!
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4412 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3608 times:
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You're right about the retirement of the MD-80's. American is planning, in the long run, to phase out the MD-80's and replace them with NG737's. Over 100 737-800's have been placed on firm order, about 30 of those being delivered already, those are replacing the last 727-200's American still has (the 727-100 is, needless to say, ancient history). I think it's more likely that American converts some of the NG737's they currently have on option to firm orders, they will eventually do that to replace the 250 MD-80's American has. The MD-80's will likely be replaced with 737-600's and 700's, yes they are still young but as you pointed out, the oldest one is over 15 years old already, the first one entered service in 1984. I predict that the last MD-80 will be retired in 2015. By then, the 737-600/700/800 will be American's workhorse like the MD-80 is today. The 757's will be around at least 15 more years, if American ordered 20 more of those, that means that they plan to operate that type for many more years to come, those are young. The Fokker 100's are also young but those will also be replaced by the Boeings in the long run.
Tbe 767-200's are still young, but they will start showing their age in five years from now. I think that those will be around for 8 to 10 more years. The A300-600's will likely be replaced with more 767's (either more 300's or 400's). The DC-10 will soon be history and the MD-11 is also on its way out.
This is American's fleet plan in the long run:
2 narrowbody types: B737-600/700/800 and B757
2 widebody types: B767-300 and B777
N960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (14 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3525 times:
Nooooo! I try to fly AA just to avoid UA 737s. Well I'm sad and I hope they stick around for a while, those 737s are awful. Argh!!! What is with all these airlines trying to get rid of MD-80s, NW, AS, now US and them too! Great, well I don't know about other people but I don't like all these Boeing only things and I don't want to be shuttled around on 737s. I think AA and MD-80 go hand in hand, when I think of one I almost always think of the other. Well it'll be sad, but 260 Beautiful MD-80s won't go quickly!
Oh BTW, AA started MD-80 flights in 1983 and TW is already getting rid of 762s, I'm not sure if its modernization or they don't need them for their dwindling trans-Atlantic flights.