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American To Get Rid Of MD-80s?  
User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

I was comming home on the train from SFO yesterday, and I was chatting with an American Flight Attendant. She said that AA is going to dump the MD-80 for 737s. She said that it won't happen overnight, but in time.

What do you think? Is it true? Where are the MD-80s going to go? I mean, will they be sold to other carriers, or scrapped? Any comments?

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User currently offline777boy From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

My guess is that as the MD-80s hit their retirement schedule (they are fairly old), they will be replaced by 738s.

User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Does BART go all the way to SFO now?

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

When they finish it, it will, give them another year.

User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1575 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Just like the 727's used to be the MD-80 is the workhorse of the AA fleet. Some of the MD-80's are starting to approach 20 years in service. Replacement will take a while, but eventually the 737-800 will replace the MD-80 as the new "workhorse" of the fleet.

Some of the 767-200's are now pushing 20 years too. I wouldn't be surprised to see DL, UA, AA, and TW to start replacing their older 762's soon.

Mark Abbott
Minneapolis, MN



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User currently offlineSQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

I thought it was an Airport transit System. When I was leaving SFO, I saw a diagram in the rental car corridor that goes to the airport busses. It was lifesize and I didn't stop and read it 'cause I had to cacth the bus.

User currently offlineSQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

I heard it was an Airport transit system from a guy on the shuttlebus.

User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

I think its bart, i do think that it goes to the parking structure...that may be the airport tranisit system.
I'll try to find out next week, when I go to SFO again.


User currently offlineSQA340 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 702 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Well right by US 101, the train tracks stop when It reaches close to San Bruno Avenue. I don't know if they expanded it or not. I saw this back in April.

User currently offlineChe From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

i am sure they will eventually and replace them with the 737. I dont think that will happen for some time though. They just put the new intreriors in and they have like 200+ of them.

User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5478 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

they will but it will be overtime since AA ordered I believe(please correct) 100+ 737's. I heard the '80's will be around for another 5-10 years before they are gone, AA has reconfigured all of it's MD-80's with new interiors and that means it will be awhile before they are gone(which I hope they never leave)
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User currently offlineRotate777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Already? I don't think they should. Some of them are only 8 years old. If they refurbished them, then they will probably keep them for a couple of more years. I think they will slowly phase them out and replace them with the 738s.

BART is suppose to be finished soon but I doubt it. It is suppose to be finished already actually but the workers are idiots. They set fire to the tunnel three times already. Once it's finished, I'll probably take it to SFO to planespot. I live in Milpitas.

Later,


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2541 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3079 times:
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Wouldnt they replace the MD-80 with another 737 like the 736 because the 738 can take on almost or more(?)... passengers than the 727... so why not replace the MD-80s with a smaller A/C? (personally, I think that AA should conver to an ALL 737-800, 757-200, 767-300 and 777-200... and maybe even a few 744's
-AA777


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

I can't picture AA operating a ton of 737s. The only Boeings I can picture in AA colors are 707s, 727s, and 767s. The 747 was nice too but they didn't stick around quite long enough for me to get used to them. The 727 just looks like it was built for AA. It looks absolutely perfect in that polished metal colors for American.


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I dunno, the 737 just looks like an oddball in AA's fleet to me.


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User currently offlineSOUTHPACIFIC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Aloha!
It is sad that the MD-80s will be going now! I like the MD-80. There has to be some in AA's fleet that are like 2 years old, I mean Boeing just shut down the production line! And now people are getting rid of them! Ahhh!
That's like, as soon as the 757 production ends, then DL, UA, AA, etc. get rid of the 757s! What a waste!!

A plane is still good after 20 years! Planes are good until the end of their design life, which in most cases is like 50 years!!!! Geeezze!!  

SOUTHPACIFIC


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

AA and Delta are using 738's to replace their 727's, not MD-80's. The 738 holds around 160 pax, the MD-80 holds about 140. I am going to miss the MD-80's when they're gone. It will be the last Douglas design in service. I like Boeings, but I'm going to miss the Douglas designs.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

The oldest Super 80's in the AA fleet are not yet 20 years old... more around 15. The earliest i could see them being retired would be 2010. First AA has to finish retiring the 727's.

777gk, I agree with you... AA 727s look like they were carved out of a piece of billet aluminum. Perhaps the best livery for the 27.



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3038 times:

The 737-800s will eventually take place of the MD80s once they have replaced all the 727s. It will be a slow process and they will take over on the longer routes (i.e. ORD-PHX,SEA-DFW) because of they greater range and lift capabilities. Also, such amenities as IFEs are important to customers on longer flights.



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User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

I think that it is a move twards an all boeing fleet. With the DC-10s, MD-11s, and now the narrow bodied MD planes leaving, all that will be left are boeings.

This gives some form of cominality between the fleet types.

BTW, does anyone know if AA will add the 764 to their fleet?


User currently offlineAussieErj145 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

The MD80s will be pensioned off as time rolls by and the 737-800 will fill the void gradually. the MD80 fleet will reduce as the 737 fleet increases, but I guess many MD80's will find homes with other carriers.
Those that are worried about the demise of the MD80 should not worry to much too soon. Remember the 717? Well now that it's a Boeing there is always a possibility of a 717-300 with a similar size to the older MD80's.
It's not over till it's over.


User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

As several others have noted, the 738's are first replacing the 727. this was the original plan when AA ordered the 738s. The first quantity was almost one for one as I recall. Yes, as someone noted, then the md-80s will begin to be phased out. Maybe with 738's and a mix of other 737 models, or perhaps with more 757's,as they recently did in the deal trading the ex-Reno aircraft to Boeing for 20 757's over the next 2 or so years. So, we are talking about a 12-15 yr process here not an overnite trade. Someone asked about the 764? hmmm, my guess is yes. It would be a natural fit to replace the A300-600's. The first batch of those were on a lease deal pitting Airbus against Boeing. (the first 763's as I recall)Anyway, with traffic growth, My hunch is we will see an order soon for a mix 764's, just maybe a few 757ERX for some select route development, either more 738's or another model 737,a few more 777(maybe 300s).A longer process here too. Some time to replace the 762's and A300's. Probably a 3-5 or 6 yr schedule.

The 763's and 764's could be rotated to various routes as seasonal demand warrants. Oh,one other item.I agree with 777GK, the 727 almost looked like it was designed for AA. And, yes, the 707 just looked powerful in shiney aluminum! But, ya better get used to the 737's in AA colors, 125 ordered so far!


User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

I hope American thinks about getting the 717 in the future which is in the same family as the DC-9/MD-80.

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3653 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Hey what's up?  
You're right about the retirement of the MD-80's. American is planning, in the long run, to phase out the MD-80's and replace them with NG737's. Over 100 737-800's have been placed on firm order, about 30 of those being delivered already, those are replacing the last 727-200's American still has (the 727-100 is, needless to say, ancient history). I think it's more likely that American converts some of the NG737's they currently have on option to firm orders, they will eventually do that to replace the 250 MD-80's American has. The MD-80's will likely be replaced with 737-600's and 700's, yes they are still young but as you pointed out, the oldest one is over 15 years old already, the first one entered service in 1984. I predict that the last MD-80 will be retired in 2015. By then, the 737-600/700/800 will be American's workhorse like the MD-80 is today. The 757's will be around at least 15 more years, if American ordered 20 more of those, that means that they plan to operate that type for many more years to come, those are young. The Fokker 100's are also young but those will also be replaced by the Boeings in the long run.
Tbe 767-200's are still young, but they will start showing their age in five years from now. I think that those will be around for 8 to 10 more years. The A300-600's will likely be replaced with more 767's (either more 300's or 400's). The DC-10 will soon be history and the MD-11 is also on its way out.

This is American's fleet plan in the long run:
2 narrowbody types: B737-600/700/800 and B757
2 widebody types: B767-300 and B777

American goes Boeing.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium




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User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

How did the MD-80 thread morph into a transit thread on BART. Is AA selling their old planes to BART???

User currently offlineN960AS From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 466 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (13 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Nooooo!   I try to fly AA just to avoid UA 737s. Well I'm sad and I hope they stick around for a while, those 737s are awful. Argh!!! What is with all these airlines trying to get rid of MD-80s, NW, AS, now US and them too! Great, well I don't know about other people but I don't like all these Boeing only things and I don't want to be shuttled around on 737s. I think AA and MD-80 go hand in hand, when I think of one I almost always think of the other. Well it'll be sad, but 260 Beautiful MD-80s won't go quickly!

Oh BTW, AA started MD-80 flights in 1983 and TW is already getting rid of 762s, I'm not sure if its modernization or they don't need them for their dwindling trans-Atlantic flights.


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