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OS Considers Closing/reduction Of MEL + SYD  
User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Todays "derStandard" reports that OS considers closing down the flights to MEL and SYD. Due to the rise in fuel costs, they are obviously struggling on profits on that route. As this routes were introduced by Lauda, the now higher crew costs with OS make for another aspect of the rise in operational costs.

OS is looking into routes to Pakistan instead.

I always thought OS is doing pretty well on their Australian flights, especially as they get lots of transit pax from other countries...


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6466 times:

Wouldn't that just leave BA and Virgin as Euroepan airlines to Australia of OS pull out?


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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
Wouldn't that just leave BA and Virgin as Euroepan airlines to Australia of OS pull out?

Other than code share - yes. And BA recently dropped MEL (other than code share).


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 655 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Quoting Macc (Thread starter):
I always thought OS is doing pretty well on their Australian flights, especially as they get lots of transit pax from other countries...

And that is the dilemma OS is facing when closing the Australia-flights: As the biggest proportion of pax on these flights are connecting pax, a number of regional flights are loosing considerable numbers of pax - and if some of these can sustain is to be seen.

For some time the Australia flights remained in the network to feed pax through VIE into OS flights. A combination of connecting pax and very competitive prices are never good for the yields. Together with the high fuel prices and new labor agreement at OS the Australia flights unfortunately face strong headwinds.

IMHO we will see the closure of VIE-SIN-MEL soon and the attempt to keep VIE-KUL-SYD up and running, increasing competitiveness and appeal by increasing the flights to daily (from 6/7).

Even if Australia is dropped or reduced we won´t see new OS-longhaul destinations too soon. OS simply hasn't got the cash to open new routes at the moment. It is first more about consolidating the route structure and simplifying the fleet - I see the two A343 leaving the fleet when Australia is reduced/dropped. And there seems to be an airline already taking a detailed look at those two airframes....

On a side note: The installation of the new C-class into OS T7s seems to be taking some more time than expected. OE-LPB still is in Hamburg and the first service to SYD is not planned before July 27. That takes -PB 8 weeks out of service iso 4-5 weeks as originally planned.

Greetz,
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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

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User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

It would be a real shame if they left. While Sydney and Melbourne fill up with flights to Asia and the US, the flights to Europe are practically gone. And like ANother said, BA has stopped serving MEL. Quite sad really, now that only BA and VS are left! And if what was discussed in another thread is true, BA may drop services to Australia all together in a few years.

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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6348 times:
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OS has always fascinated me - in a strange way. They served JNB, pulled out and cited that the route was not profitable. Yes, we have to take O&D and connecting pax into consideration, but why is BA, KL, LH, AF, LX, etc. still in the market if the JNB route is so "unprofitable"? In fact, AF applied for double dailies (7 days a week), but couldn't get it.
Even EK saw the gap and have double dailies (77W) into-and out of JNB and I am quite sure that many EK passengers are connecting in DXB.

Comments please?


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6324 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 6):
Even EK saw the gap and have double dailies (77W) into-and out of JNB

They wanted even more frequencies along with EY and QR, possibly GF. Yield from South Africa is apparently low, but the demand is high so airlines probably balance the two factors out and thus sustain their South Africa operations.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6312 times:

There were rumors last year that OS was interested in NGO. Wish they would consider us.


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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6312 times:

I think the reason for OS to back out of JNB was the competition from other carriers from Europe.


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 9):
I think the reason for OS to back out of JNB was the competition from other carriers from Europe.

Or LH not being entirely happy that OS is taking a slice of their cake. I traveled once on OS to JNB and really enjoyed their service, and the flight was packed on the A342.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6271 times:
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Quoting JoKeR (Reply 10):
Or LH not being entirely happy that OS is taking a slice of their cake.

LH and SA has been codesharing for years, even before SA entered Star. LX is also part of the game. I don't think it has anything to do with LH not being happy, per se.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6228 times:

Quoting Ka (Reply 3):
IMHO we will see the closure of VIE-SIN-MEL soon and the attempt to keep VIE-KUL-SYD up and running, increasing competitiveness and appeal by increasing the flights to daily (from 6/7)

I agree with your point of view. MEL will likely get the axe, or, alternatively, OS might revert the route to a VIE-KUL/SIN-SYD-MEL-KUL/SIN-VIE triagnle, as it used to be for quite a while. I would also think they'd be better of routing the flights through SIN instead of KUL and pursuing closer ties with Star partner SQ.

Quoting Ka (Reply 3):
Even if Australia is dropped or reduced we won´t see new OS-longhaul destinations too soon. OS simply hasn't got the cash to open new routes at the moment. It is first more about consolidating the route structure and simplifying the fleet - I see the two A343 leaving the fleet when Australia is reduced/dropped. And there seems to be an airline already taking a detailed look at those two airframes....

Again, I agree with your point of view. The two A343s are oddballs in the fleet and they are likely to go if and when Australia flights get closed or reduced. Nevertheless, OS is unlikely to open or reopen new longhaul destinations, although there has been talk of a return to JNB, which would be silly, I believe.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 6):
OS has always fascinated me - in a strange way. They served JNB, pulled out and cited that the route was not profitable. Yes, we have to take O&D and connecting pax into consideration, but why is BA, KL, LH, AF, LX, etc. still in the market if the JNB route is so "unprofitable"?

OS was facing the same problems as SN and AZ on the JNB route: a majority of connecting pax at very competitive prices, diluting the yields. The Austrian, Belgian and Italian markets seem to be too small to sustain flights to JNB by themselves and therefore those airlines had to try their luck through connecting traffic. BA, VS, AF and LH have their homebases in high yielding markets with a lot of O&D premium traffic, which makes such flights much easier to sustain.

OS tried to optimize aircraft utilization for its double overnight JNB route by adding CPT and HRE tags to the flight, rather than having the aircraft sit in JNB for the better part of a day. Also that was not the best of strategies as both of those tag ons turned out to be costly affairs, mainly because of crew costs and additional cycles for the aircraft, while bringing little incremental value to the route, as most traffic to CPT and HRE was low yielding tourist related traffic.

You might be surprised that KL is facing tougher times with its JNB route than with other longhaul routes, because of a small home market and as such larger amounts of connecting traffic, while the route is further jeopardized by scheduling which is deemed less commercially interesting. If one takes a closer look at KLM pricing for destinations around the KLM network, one will very often find the most attractive fares -including premium fares- in KLM's longhaul network to JNB and CPT.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 6):
OS has always fascinated me - in a strange way. They served JNB, pulled out and cited that the route was not profitable. Yes, we have to take O&D and connecting pax into consideration, but why is BA, KL, LH, AF, LX, etc. still in the market if the JNB route is so "unprofitable"?

I always imagine that there's a very fine line between what's profitable and what's not....i.e. a few dozen high-yielding passengers per month, up front.

Is it also possible that VIE didn't have the same volume of O&D passengers that LON, AMS, FRA, CDG do, and thus fares on the route were too low? If South Africa is seen to be relatively low-yielding anyway, then it might be a marginal route for other, bigger carriers from the bigger hubs...? Just my thoughts.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6172 times:
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Macc, sorry for hijacking your thread. My sincerest apologies.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
BA, VS, AF and LH have their homebases in high yielding markets with a lot of O&D premium traffic, which makes such flights much easier to sustain.

Would JNB-ZRH also be classified as high-yield, with both LX and SA in the market?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12):
You might be surprised that KL is facing tougher times with its JNB route than with other longhaul routes, because of a small home market and as such larger amounts of connecting traffic, while the route is further jeopardized by scheduling which is deemed less commercially interesting.

I am not all that surprised. I understand that planes on the ground does not make money, but in the South Africa-Europe market, there is no real demand for daylight flights. Wouldn't the use of the A330 or B777 on the JNB route, increase their yields? Should we brace ourselves for a possible KL pull-out from JNB?


Rgds

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Not to further let the thread wander off topic, just some very short answer to this:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 14):
Would JNB-ZRH also be classified as high-yield, with both LX and SA in the market?

I would say ZRH is better than VIE, BRU and MXP, but not as good as FRA, CDG and definitely LHR. SR's ZRH-JNB did well until they introduced the daylight flight to improve on aircraft utilization. Once LX changed the flight back to double overnight, it has started to pick up speed again.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 14):
Should we brace ourselves for a possible KL pull-out from JNB?

No, I would not think so. KL is making good money with the cargo on the 4 times weekly combi service. But on the passenger side, the yields are under pressure.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

Quoting Macc (Thread starter):
OS is looking into routes to Pakistan instead.

how do you know this? definitely a very interesting development...hopefully it is Lahore and not ISB/KHI.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Yeah I heard Austrian are hot for Pakistan.


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User currently offlineSA744 From South Africa, joined Nov 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5794 times:
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I just recently flew KLM from JNB and the flights were packed and also just had a friend who went to the US via Amsterdam and said the JNB route was packed like sardines.So i am not sure when the bad yield times are.

SA744


User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 14):
Macc, sorry for hijacking your thread. My sincerest apologies



Quoting SA744 (Reply 18):
just recently flew KLM from JNB and the flights were packed and also just had a friend who went to the US via Amsterdam and said the JNB route was packed like sardines.So i am not sure when the bad yield times are.

Stay out of my thread now!!! Big grin

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 16):
how do you know this? definitely a very interesting development

it was mentioned in the same article.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

Well, it seems that old story is repeating: European airlines closing down Australia service  Sad If we look back a bit, the list of such airlines is not small:
KLM
Alitalia
Olympic
Lufthansa
JAT (although they showed said few times how the airline would return to the market, this seems only like a dream).



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Quoting FlyingKangaroo (Reply 5):
It would be a real shame if they left. While Sydney and Melbourne fill up with flights to Asia and the US, the flights to Europe are practically gone.

Errh, no. Flights to Europe from SYD and MEL total well over 100 widebodys, mainly 744's and 777's, every week (QF alone has 28, add to that a heaps of SQ, TG, MH, CX, BA, EK, VS, JL, ANA, KL and others) Many of these are twice daily from both SYD and MEL, connecting via their Asian or ME hubs to Europe. It's just there are fewer European carriers among them. Every major city in Europe is accessible with no more than one stop across this suite of carriers.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

Quoting SA744 (Reply 18):
I just recently flew KLM from JNB and the flights were packed and also just had a friend who went to the US via Amsterdam and said the JNB route was packed like sardines.So i am not sure when the bad yield times are.

There is absolutely no relationship between the packed planes on the route and the yield situation of mentioned route! Everything depends on what kind of fares those people paid. Filling seats is not much of a problem, yet filling them with high yielding fares is much more difficult.


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

An OS departure probably wouldn't affect EK as their passengers tend to be Western European bound while Austrian's are mainly VFR Eastern Europeans- as discussed before the Lauda/Austrian service operates more like a substitute JAT flight. OS has those destinations all to themselves and the market is price sensitive to a degree unless you want a messy LH itinerary involving 3 flight changes. The labor costs are what's killing the route and Lauda's crew pay was very low.

My bet is SIN will get axed (Lauda tried several times to make SIN work) and some SYD flights will extend to MEL, although my hunch is MEL will eventually get axed- if not the entire operation a la Air France/AOM, Alitalia, KLM, Lufthansa, Olympic.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 23):
My bet is SIN will get axed (Lauda tried several times to make SIN work) and some SYD flights will extend to MEL, although my hunch is MEL will eventually get axed

I agree with you, but I still fail to understand why Singapore would not work and Kuala Lumpur would. One would expect at least some support from fellow STAR Alliance partner SQ at SIN. But then again, OS has pretty good fares for both the SYD/MEL and VIE-Europe flights here in Indonesia and it uses Garuda Indonesia as its interline partner, although SQ is readily available.

I could see the OS Australia route revert to a VIE-KUL-SYD-MEL-KUL-VIE triangle for a while and ultimately expect MEL, if not the entire route to bite the dust. In these days of alliances and resulting code share agreements, it is very difficult to sustain a route like Europe-Australia without large amounts of high yielding traffic, something which OS is lacking considerably.


25 Post contains images 9252fly : I couldn't have said it better myself
26 HKGKaiTak : And high yielding traffic is not going to like so many stops on a triangle route. Even if you're flying VIE-SYD you'd be stopping once in one directi
27 HB-IWC : Well, before the split up of the SYD and MEL flights, the route had been served as a KUL-SYD-MEL-KUL triangle for quite some time. But I agree that i
28 Planemanofnz : I only wish that OS would come to Auckland. There are great connecting opportunities with star partner NZ. TG is at the moment opoular here because th
29 Macc : with their financial situation now, I am afraid, OS isnt strong enough to keep these routes alive. MH quit KUL-VIE and it will be interesting to see,
30 6thfreedom : As would a codeshare with TG... TG serves 4 points in Australia, so OS could consider upping VIE-BKK frequency with a B777, then feeding on to Austra
31 MAS777 : I think you'd find that Star Alliance do not code-share that well on the Kangaroo route. MH/KL seem to have a great code-share as do BA/QF. I can't s
32 ETA Unknown : Most of MH's VIE pax were transiting to BEG/ZAG/Skopje etc. and now OS has that market with same carrier service. I think KUL was chosen for the stop
33 Beowulf : LH pulled out of the Australia route a few years ago on the basis it not being profitable. The O&D market for Austria-Australia is even smaller than G
34 HB-IWC : Lufthansa has a decent cooperation with both TG and SQ on the Kangaroo route, so I think it's a logical thing to ask why OS wouldn't be able to estab
35 VORFMD : LH, NZ and MH are codesharing on the VIE-KUL-SYD Flights !
36 Toptravel : Hope it's not so, Qantas need all the competion they can get for the good of the travelling public. Cheers
37 HKGKaiTak : They already do in the form of all those Asian airlines with excellent frequencies and connections out of most Australian ports. I just don't know wh
38 LJ : For CPT the same applies. Cargo is the moneymaker, the pax are just to add some revenue to the flight. Also not forget that KL still transports the d
39 FlyingKangaroo : Yeah I know that, but I was refering to European based airlines serving Australia. Of course if you include all the connecting flights provided by As
40 VHVXB : Well NZ do codeshare with OS to Vienna via KUL yes true. Only 2 airlines Serve KUL direct from SYD and OS does give MH a run for its money on the KUL
41 DABTH : Two questions beside... When did LH actually pull out of Oz?? And did AF ever had scheduled service to SYD/MEL?? Thx for the answers... Rgds David
42 VHVXB : I think they did in the early to mid ninties. At the moment they Codeshare with QF from SIN to SYD and QF codeshares with AF from SIN to CDG
43 Boysteve : Exactly, my two choices for a trip to OZ (from MAN) remain SQ or EK with one stop for a change of plane and scenery at the same time. Having said tha
44 ZRH : I think, as long as you have to make a stop at SIN, BKK or KUL instead of non-stop, a flight from Europe to Australia (and vice versa) will not be pro
45 BNE : I think Austrian need to drop Melbourne outright and retime OS1. Here is the current schedule. OS 1 VIE Vienna 10:55, arrive SYD Sydney 15:05+1 day(s)
46 MainMAN : Isn't it more of a general comment on QF losing market share to airlines with connections at intermediate stops, and not really about what constitute
47 ZRH : I agree a non-stop flight which lasts more than 20 hours is hell unless you can afford flying first class. But I don't see much difference when you h
48 ANstar : Excatly. Not sure why people on here go on about being on the same plane. It doesn;t make any difference to me
49 ZRH : Yes that is what I meant. I think it is even more interesting to have an other aircraft. For example from here, taking a Swiss A 340 to SIN then chan
50 HB-IWC : The flights are timed as they are to maximize aircraft utilization. A commercially more desirable evening departure from VIE would result in the airf
51 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : As much as Asian one-stop connections make commercial and operational sense to an airline, the one-stop same aircraft service still makes some market
52 Post contains links VHVXB : http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...good/2006/07/23/1153593210658.html just some of the things the Austrian Spokeswoman had to say
53 Gardermoen : Word out from a colleague at OS... MEL, SYD, SIN and KUL will be dropped from March 07. Expect a public statement on this on Friday. Blame it all on f
54 VORFMD : Correct, OS will stop all operations to Australia by March 07 OS already looks into new Destinations. I heard of ORD and some Asian Destinations in Ch
55 HB-IWC : I would imagine that they are looking into serving new destinations. The closing of 6 weekly VIE-KUL-SYD and 3 weekly VIE-SIN-MEL flights will free u
56 Ka : That is probably true. I believe they are so tight-lipped with any new routes as OS will first be actively looking for buyers of these two a/c. If th
57 6thfreedom : since they are dropping SIN and KUL as well, and neither SQ or MH operate to VIE, i wonder if they would look at codesharing with TG over BKK. This wo
58 VH-BZF : What a typical Sydney centric thing to say! I remember speaking to the former Lauda/Austrian Australian Manager - Mr Froggat, who told me around 12 m
59 Orlando666 : (1) fuel/crew/ground costs (2) already well served/can codeshare (3) wretched service (compared to EK/MH/QF), not a prefered carrier (4) KUL was never
60 VHVXB : Sydney has experienced some growth recently.
61 VORFMD : Other News of the todays Pressconference .) Beginning with October OS will start again to serve free Meals and Drinks on shorthaul Flights, cancelling
62 BNE : I live in Brisbane so I am not Sydney biased at all. BA gone Freedom gone, OS set to go. Not looking so good for Melbourne.
63 VHVXB : There goes any your growth
64 VH-BZF : As per VXB - this is why Melbourne's growth has dropped. However Air NZ is returning Freedom over the summer time to Melbourne & Qatar is not too far
65 VHVXB : And it will continue QF is redirecting majority of it service to Japan from SYD and had reduced services to Japan from MEL. Yeah i read an article on
66 Macc : Didnt think the decision to stop these flights would come that soon. But given the financial situation of OS its surely not a bad one anyway. It will
67 HB-IWC : I can see ORD happening and as for Asia, I would presume they are looking at both HKG and ICN. Then again, it is entirely possible that OS will choos
68 VORFMD : Last statement from OS about this issue was a "no go". I don´t think that we will see VIE-JNB Flights soon, but who knows. ORD is hot ! and we will
69 OS-A330 : Would a HKG route be profitable? The NG flight via BKK was closed down years ago, before the surge in fuel prices. Personally, I do not see HKG coming
70 HB-IWC : It could be, if served nonstop. HKG still commands some of the higher premium fares in Asia. OS/NG's previous experiment with HKG failed because of t
71 FLYYUL : OS should bring Montreal back and do it properly this time. OS had the horrible 2150 departure from YUL, 1720 from VIE that; a.) missed connecting ban
72 VORFMD : No, it fails because NG could not offer the connecting Flights that OS can offer. However, HKG ist on the List but not on the top of that.
73 Behramjee : From : The Sydney Morning Herald AUSTRALIA could soon be left with no continental European airlines flying to its shores, with Austrian Airlines consi
74 VORFMD : from today on it is no speculation anymore. OS leaves Australia ( i am very sorry about that ) and thats it.
75 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Agree. Really? Well, for the 2005/06 financial year, MEL's international growth was STILL higher than SYD, despite losing services. Too right. The au
76 Post contains links VHVXB : How much growth has occurred from MEL?? Well SYD has experienced growth not sure how much compared to MEL. http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...por
77 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Sadly it's commercial reality that we'll lose another European airline ... only two left now.
78 6thfreedom : It is sad losing OS and European carriers, but the saddest part of it all is the Australian Govt reluctance to recognise the changing face of aviatio
79 Gardermoen : 6th Freedo, it's so true. Qatar Airways is a fine example. They want to provide daily flights to MEL, but are being blocked from doing so. The govt ha
80 Post contains links and images BNE : Well its true; I am going to lock this thread and we can continue with the new thread. Austrian Airlines To End SYD, MEL, KUL, And SIN (by MAH4546 Jul
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