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KLM 744 Wants To Sunbathe On Maho Beach  
User currently offlineDarrenthe747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 25012 times:

I looked at this and thought, holy crap. that thing is LOW. it looks as if he's going to make contact with the overrun area. this obviously isn't normal... is it common for airliners to miss the TDZ like this? can you imagine what it would have been like to be on the beach for that??



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 24950 times:
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Yeah...extremely noisy and windy! LOL!

User currently offlineDarrenthe747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 24883 times:

that guy down there right by the fence is probably the luckiest plane spotter to ever live. i'm so jealous Sad

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 24845 times:

Anyone know why the NWA/KL alliance sticker has been taken off by the upper deck windows ?

Joe


User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 24845 times:

Gday

That is VERY low....

Like Darrenthe747 I am very jealous too...... Must have been great - but also quite scary. However a great story to tell your fellow A.netters.

Thaigold



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24654 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 3):
Anyone know why the NWA/KL alliance sticker has been taken off by the upper deck windows ?

Joe

Because it's no longer about that, but now about SkyTeam



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User currently offlineLionel From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 391 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24633 times:

Its really impressive and very scary for the guys at the fence!

User currently offlineLailaiYYZ From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 24349 times:

That reminds me of the movie "Pushing Tin" where the two ATCs stood at the threshold and experience the wake turbulance..

I guess the spotters in the pictures are even closer than the two ATCs in the movie!

lailaiYYZ


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 24308 times:

What an absolutely botched approach. That's some rather poor technique on display there folks.


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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 24217 times:

Quoting Thaigold (Reply 4):
Like Darrenthe747 I am very jealous too...... Must have been great - but also quite scary. However a great story to tell your fellow A.netters.

Agree 100%, I was jealous too before I had a chance to go to SXM, have been back 3 times and it is still a blast drink a good beer and sh.. your pants
hanging on to the fence.................


:D Big grin Big grin

Cheers,


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 24130 times:

Damn, I wish was there to see it. Anyway, from the looks of it, either it landed right on the threshold or on the displaced threshold area. My guess is they weren't higher than 50 ft at that stage.

User currently offlineKLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23915 times:

I'm checkin on Expedia right now for last minute deals to St Maarten! LOL

Billy.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23806 times:

Chances are the pilot was talked into this by the 1st Officer since he likely spotted a "TEN" Bikini Babe and wanted the closest possible look!  bigthumbsup   cutie   drool   eyepopping   hypnotized   laughing   knockout   rotfl 


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23701 times:

There are some better pictures on jetphotos.net, that show exactly how low it was. See "top two of last week" on the home page, and you'll see that it's actually pretty close to the fence.

User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23577 times:

May be it was full of crazy A.netters trying from their aisle seat to peep down into the beach a bit too much leading to sudden increase in the mass of the plane  Wink

User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23532 times:

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Thread starter):
t looks as if he's going to make contact with the overrun area.

I suppose in this case it's more kind of a UNDERRUN area.


User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23478 times:

Wow, terrible terrible botched approach. I couldn't imagine what the people on the beach are thinking.


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User currently offlineStevenG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 23382 times:

Quoting Thaigold (Reply 4):
Like Darrenthe747 I am very jealous too...... Must have been great - but also quite scary. However a great story to tell your fellow A.netters.

Sure, but would he still be able to hear them talking? I guess his eardrums must be somewhere in the sea or on the beach. At least it doesn't look very healthy to be there that close.


User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23279 times:

Did it want to sunbathe? No it wanted to get its feet wet! A very old Dutch custom called pootje baaien  Cool
I can tell you this photo has been going around on KL's employee email a lot since yesterday!



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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23231 times:

there's one shot on Jetphotos that show the main gear inches from the ground while a good portion of the plane is still over the road and beach. Thats what I call *ucking impressive!!! i Dont think he couldve made that landing any lower!!

User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23188 times:

Quoting Jumbojet:
Dont think he couldve made that landing any lower!!

Well I remember a Flight Level 350 video showing a Falcon just missing clipping the fence at SXM.



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3487 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23091 times:

Isn't it a runway overshoot ? If so, why didn't the pilot ask for a go around ?! I'm sure that water, sand and umbrellas behind went thrown all ways  Wink

User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23091 times:

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 22):
Quoting Jumbojet:
Dont think he couldve made that landing any lower!!

Well I remember a Flight Level 350 video showing a Falcon just missing clipping the fence at SXM.

i shouldve been more specific, meaning a plane of that size!!  Smile


User currently offlineCRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 22904 times:

Quoting TS-IOR:
If so, why didn't the pilot ask for a go around?

I would have to guess his perspective. Most likely up until the very end he believed he was on the visual glide slope until the ground. And because he was flaring and most likely didn't realize where the plane's back was in comparison to the ground he botched that. In one sense it happened due to him not looking at where the tire marks are for the runway. It's seldom mistake that you would find a student pilot making, not a Captain or F/O of a huge jumbo jet.



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User currently offlineBirdbrainz From United States of America, joined May 2005, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 22764 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
What an absolutely botched approach. That's some rather poor technique on display there folks.

I'm not sure I'd call it botched, as I think it was intentional. The pilots knew the runway was short, and wanted every inch of it for stopping. I wonder if they had some other reason for landing that way. It's possible that they mis-judged how low they were, which is not unusual for 747 pilots.

If not, I agree that it's poor technique and at very high risk of hitting something. If I were KLM's chief pilot, I wouldn't be too pleased.

It it very dramatic, though. Probably a couple of ex-fighter jocks in the cockpit.



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25 Traineepilot : Don't take this the wrong way because im a student pilot myself. SXM has no ILS (correct me if im wrong) so obviously would be a visual approach with
26 Boeing747_600 : Darrenthe747, did you actually see the landing gear hit the tarmac before the TDZ? The reason I ask is that in the photo you took (a marvellous one by
27 Post contains links Tom in NO : On a related SXM topic, enjoy the linked video: http://www.break.com/index/plane_blows_beach_away.html Tom at MSY
28 JakeOrion : No matter how many times I've seen it, that video is always freaking hilarious. Think the pilots were practicing NOE (Nap Of Earth) from their old he
29 Post contains images Glideslope : Agreed. Also seems to be a fairly stiff head wind if you look at the Palms. IMO, they hit 20' ahead of TDZ.
30 SLUAviator : Do you think someone went out and checked the blast pad for damage? Blast pads are only available to be used as rollout areas and are not available fo
31 Post contains links and images Zruda : I call this a low approach
32 Post contains images Swissy : OK guys a.net has no competition..... only victims!!! so no reason for a delete..... Absolutely great landing, everyone which experienced SXM will ag
33 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Nice winglets on the babe!
34 Post contains images Theunclesam : I thought it was a topless beach? On topic, that is pretty low. Sure wish I were standing next to that fence..
35 JetBlueGuy2006 : [quote=Zruda,reply=32] Is that KL on approach?
36 Post contains images Meister808 : I think somebody needs to get on the horn to KL and let em know they got a landing light out -Meister
37 Post contains links Beertrucker : here is the video with the falcon. http://www.flightlevel350.com./Aircr..._Airlines_Aviation_Video-4305.html thought i would put this low one in too.
38 TWAL1011727 : BTW....the pilot doesn't have to ask for a go-around. He just does it. Being this is a "relatively" short runway, he wanted to get every inch possibl
39 Post contains links and images Golftango : I have some photos of SXM from my 6/3 trip. My SXM Photos This one was especially low: [Edited 2006-07-20 03:10:32]
40 Gilligan : I thought the overrun area was not built to support the shock of a landing aircraft.
41 Post contains images LTU932 : That is nothing compared to this:
42 Sonic67 : WOW that a plane spotter dream. But I can't help thinking of the movie Pushing Tin staring JOHN CUSACK and BILLY BOB THORNTON where they sneak on to t
43 Post contains images LTU932 : If they get close enough, probably, but then again, an aeroplane isn't using all of its thrust during landing. The scene in Pushing Tin might be a bi
44 ZOTAN : If you even survived it. The wind is blowing around 300 miles an hour with the engines at full power. You have debris flying all over the place too.
45 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Either that, or he's a freakin skilled pilot. I've been told that larger a/c goining into SXM land as far forward as possible due to the short runway
46 BryanG : The KLM photo might have a bit of optical illusion. If the pilot were a few feet left of centerline, the picture would make him appear 10 or 15 feet l
47 Post contains links and images Sonic67 : Excuse me is this spot taken? View Large View MediumPhoto © Jeffrey Brown
48 Jsposaune : While it was quite low, I would agree with the above statement. It looks to me like the runway surface was wet, too. Combine that with the short runw
49 Post contains images Jonno : The pilot heard someone on the beach say Air France was gonna cut his salary and he zoomed in lower to see if he heard it right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
50 ZKNSJ : didnt an air france 747 actually take out the fence a few years back?
51 YWG : Correct me if I'm wrong, but that type of displaced threshold will break apart and act as a rapid deceleration to any plane that may over run the take
52 ShowerOfSparks : And how arrogant of you a highly experienced student pilot with what 20 hours or so and you a high school student with no flying time it seems to be
53 Post contains images Express1 : Well done Gulftango the photos are first class,keep them rolling in, enjoyment for every everyone to see, i yet got to discover this airport at some p
54 Traineepilot : That is a good point and I never thought of that one, I was flying into Leeds yesterday in a Robin HR120/200B (Im a student pilot) and it is a hard t
55 Viv : By definition, ALL landings happen at ground level.
56 Darrenthe747 : go take some midol.
57 Viv : She also has nice vortex generators!
58 Jsposaune : Sure are...just get yourself to CDG or AMS, or fly to the US and connect at CLT, JFK, MIA, EWR, or ORD. (Maybe ATL too, but that may be seasonal, alo
59 CRGsFuture : And your an aviation guru who only gets to look at the flight controls if your lucky enough to jump seat. Yes I do have hours, about 7.5 of them. I t
60 Traineepilot : Well said, 7.5 hours give you more experience than somebody who hasn't flown. Myself, I have 34.5 hours and that doesnt make me any more or less expe
61 Boeing747_600 : eh?!?! And since we havent established beyond a reasonable doubt that the aircraft actually touched down ahead of the TDZ, I dont think it qualifies
62 Post contains links and images Hotje : same day, same plane, similar comments. View Large View MediumPhoto © James Rowson
63 JCS : @ Hotje: Simply brilliant!
64 Boeing747_600 : That's the image I was referring to in my first post in this thread (reply 26) when I said "it looks like the rubber is just about to hit the asphalt
65 Don81603 : As has been said with many "unusual" photos, none of us were there, so trying to dissect the situation from a few pictures (granted, some of the best
66 ShowerOfSparks : Well ok, but only if you can spare them
67 ShowerOfSparks : And I have a lot more than that, As for jumpseating I've never been too keen on that. Don't see the point really.
68 Touchdown777 : I still like the "Clipper of the Fence" shot. SXM is the place to be. T7
69 Post contains links and images Touchdown777 : Here it is... View Large View MediumPhoto © Justin Cederholm
70 TheLUREnyc : ENOUGH SXM pix already !!!! Granted, this pic (if it's real) shows the KLM plane almost crashing on the beach -- but are we all still climaxing and sl
71 ShowerOfSparks : Oh please, enough of the fake SXM pictures crap. There are at least three photographs of this landing easily available, are you suggesting they are a
72 TheLUREnyc : My point is: WHOCARES! Enough SXM Maho beach pics!!
73 Touchdown777 : I care and probably a lot of other people posting pics to this thread. T7
74 AirSpare : I would have liked to have seen it, but here is the message I received from the ISP with DBX in view: We apologize the site you are attempting to vis
75 747srule : Man I wish this was on my SXM DVD!!! That is absolutely KILLER!
76 Post contains images N600RR : Winglets?!? Landing light?!? I'm more impressed with the condition of the MLG! It could be the camera angle, but the flap setting looks pretty good t
77 Touchdown777 : You might want to keep your eyes on Youtube.com. They have some pretty interesting aviation videos, some of them being of SXM. T7
78 Tom12 : 38400 members on this site, well slightly more but not the point, the point is they don't all share your opinion :P Tom
79 Don81603 : I care as well. Great shots, and one can never tire of pics from SXM
80 CRGsFuture : And I'm guessing because of your arrogance no airline wanted to take you. Anyway, I really enjoy the close pictures, keep them comming.
81 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Now there's a TRUE a.nutter!! He looked right past the babe at the MLG.
82 ShowerOfSparks : In my last position I was chief pilot for a commuter airline, next question.
83 Darrenthe747 : do you really think a 747 skims along the runway at 1-2 feet AGL for a 100 feet or more?
84 BWI757 : Yes, we slobber and discuss it to death. We are aviation ENTHUSIASTS!!!! That's what this board is about. Isn't that why you joined? Welcome to a.net
85 TOLtommy : Pilots musta seen a nice bikini, wanted a little better view on approach... lol
86 Boeing747_600 : Actually, I said "at least 2 feet". The distance would really depend on the sink rate and ground speed. Using typical touchdown vertical speeds of 40
87 Post contains images Drerx7 : YOUR AN IMPOSTER!!! Not a real aviation nut with that type of sacrilegious statement!
88 CRGsFuture : And you left why?
89 VEEREF : Even if the aircraft did not touch down until the piano keys, touching down on them is still poor technique in large transport category aircraft. We'r
90 ShowerOfSparks : To facilitate my marriage, you got a problem with that?
91 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Ignore TheLUREnyc! But one small request - if anyone does post another SXM Maho beach picture, would he/she be so kind enough as to please crop or wh
92 VEEREF : Amen to that!
93 Darrenthe747 : ok, maybe they could skim along, however, crossing the threshold at 2 feet is not good. now whether or not it was a gusty wind or poor piloting skill
94 ChrisMUC : The part with the yellow arrows is a stopway, fit for RTOs. In this situation it would have to carry 100 tons more without breaking apart. The white
95 Tugger : Hey, this may be a STUPID question but: Will the A380 aver go to SXM? Could it even do it? THAT would be pretty awesome to see. Tug
96 Post contains links and images Jumbojet : Check out this shot of a KLM 747 while over Maho beach and about to land. Definitely a difference between the sunbather 747 landing and this one View
97 SpinalTap : Nice rego for those that read Roald Dahl (BFG = big friendly giant)
98 TWAL1011727 : Not unless they modify the landing gear. Last time I saw, they do not have body gear steering. Since the SXM runway has no parallel taxiway running t
99 Boeing747_600 : I would imagine that the norm is 50-100 AGL overflying Maho beach, perhaps a tad lower for the 74x.
100 BuckFifty : I hope you know that the actual TDZ is not the piano bars in the picture, but another 1000' beyond that.
101 Touchdown777 : Heh ... Talk to the spotter/photographer about that. T7
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