It will be VERY sad to see them go... But still, One must remember, NW didn't even WANT the DC9s at first... their 9s came from other airlines, and not ONE ever came from Long Beach wearing NW colors. .
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3601 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
Is this really exit financing or is it management bonuses?
Someone had to say it.
I am very happy that NW is doing this. I use NW almost exclusively and I look forward to what they are going to do in the next few years. They have Compass, the 787s, possible E-jets, Asian and European Expansion, better dealings with Skyteam, expansion of MSP and maybe some movement on the 787 options... 787-9, 787-10, 773ER
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
NWCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 700 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3554 times:
This is good news. Anybody know how much longer they plan on operating under ch. 11 protection?
On a side note... I just wonder how badly all of these concessions for NW employees were really needed though. I mean don't get me wrong, cut backs were needed, but this massive labor restructuring sure has left a lot of already beleaguered employees even more upset.
Hopefully everyone at NW can put the past behind them and move forward. NW is one of my favorite airline's out there, I wish everyone the best.
DesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3547 times:
I am in Amsterdam in the moment thanks to NW. The service was great and am glad to see they are starting the exit plan from Chapter 11. Maybe once NW is a bit more streamlined and out of Chapter 11 they'll start turning a profit once again.
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3064 times:
NW is trimming their domestic routes, focusing on their more profitable routes, and using their sizable fleet of 752, 752, A320, and A319 aircraft for increasingly more long range domestic flights. The DC-9s will be phased out, and they will offer the new regional compass product in their stead. The big news though is that NWA will be launching a very large asian expansion with their underused 744 fleet and decent sized 787 fleet on order, freeing up the A332 running pacific routes now to power a small expansion into europe. NWA seems to have the plan to survive, even without the merger. UA, watch out, NWA is making a big run for the asian market.
"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
As good as it all sounds, don't forget that the courts allowed them to basically urniate on their employees to reach this level and guess who will be the ones coming out smelling like roses? Sorry, I don't necessarily view this as a victory. You take even the most modest of companies in nearly any industry and make the cuts that they were able to do in the guise of bankruptcy, well that is what you get - the only surprise would be if they didn't emerge and turn a profit. Isn't it all but apparent that NW only entered Ch11 just so they could strongarm and bust their unions?
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7723 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2946 times:
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17): NW is trimming their domestic routes, focusing on their more profitable routes, and using their sizable fleet of 752, 752, A320, and A319 aircraft for increasingly more long range domestic flights
Wrong, NW is once again increasing domestic flying.
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17): The DC-9s will be phased out, and they will offer the new regional compass product in their stead
Wrong again, Compass will not replace the DC-9's, on some routes it will compliment it, the EMB-190/195 which is expected will replace the DC-9 on mainline, while the 170 will replace essentually the RJ-85's. The DC-9 is still probably not going to be gone until at least 2012.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
TLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2849 times:
I'm sincerely glad to see things looking up for NW since I fly them most of the time I travel by air. Without them the service at my local airport (LSE) would be almost nothing! What I don't like about the cost reductions though is that the money is basically going from the employees to the oil companies!
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7952 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
Whether you like it or not, NW had a set agenda going into Ch. 11, and they are rapidly checking off items on the list. NW had somewhat of a pre-packaged Ch. 11 filing and has used bankruptcy to clean house much faster than they would have without filing.
Specifically, NW has used Ch. 11 to gut labor contracts, reject leases, void vendor contracts, and renegotiate aircraft leases to become a leaner & meaner airline. Even prior to their filing, NW had a made a lot of cuts to reduce costs in many areas operationally.
I'm not going to open the labor issue, which is a very unfortunete situation that it came to this, but look at the industry as a whole. Everyone had to go through this.
Burnsie - more than likely once NW is out of Ch. 11, Chainsaw Steeland will be out. He was brought in to be the bad guy during restructuring and thats part of his deal. Remember he reports to the BOD, and they have a very specific agenda to help fix the sinking ship. Now, whether he can sleep soundly at night is another story.