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AA Orders 104 Set Of Winglets For 757  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Posted (8 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8506 times:

AA is looking to improve their 757 fuel efficiency:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060719/sfw087.html?.v=65


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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

According to the press release, a five percent savings in fuel burn is typical with this installation. I'm glad to see AA aggressively pursuing additional efficiencies, such as the low-drag MD-80 tailcones. Which, by the way, are being manufactured in-house to save money.

Now if they'd just impress us with an order for a certain new, impressively efficient airliner ...



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User currently offlinePavlin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8438 times:

Good news. I wonder why did Boeing ever offer 737 and 757 without winglets

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8438 times:
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Wow. Between this order and WNs order, it's a good day to be employed by APB....




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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

Alex



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User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8291 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

I've been surprised it hasn't been done yet.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8237 times:

Holy fuel savings, batman. Thats a lot of winglets!


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User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

Quoting Okie73 (Reply 5):
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

I've been surprised it hasn't been done yet.

Well at 200 additional miles per leg when going the maximum distance I see why DL was having them added to te ex-TWA 757s that they are getting next year

According to Great circle Mapper, it looks like you get a little closer to Germany with them from ATL, and they look like they make all of Italy accessible year roud from JFK.

If they save 200,000 per aircraft per year and fuel is $2.25 per gallon, you would save around $450,000 per year.

Does anyone know the price of the winglets for 757s?


User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 7):
According to Great circle Mapper, it looks like you get a little closer to Germany with them from ATL, and they look like they make all of Italy accessible year roud from JFK.

CO figured that out a couple of years ago.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7915 times:
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Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too

Don't know about Delta. I know Continental did already.

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 7):
If they save 200,000 per aircraft per year and fuel is $2.25 per gallon, you would save around $450,000 per year.

450000$ savings per year and per aircraft; so imagine with a fleet of some 100 B757's, if they all get the winglets installed, in the long run the airline will save close to 45 million $ in one year.

Yes all of that is good news. I'm wondering if the remaining B737-800's still on order will get the winglets installed, if American still wants to take delivery of those.

Ben Soriano
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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7189 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7675 times:
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Installation takes place at TUL. Way to go AA!  airplane 

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/ringo3727/738winglet-4.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c291/ringo3727/738winglet-2.jpg


User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Winglets.........seems to be the fashion.....LOL

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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 10):

Good job, TUL! Keep up the good work!  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2441 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

Delta will do it soon...they do everything after everyone else does....



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 4):
One wonders if DL will follow suit and install winglets on their 757 and 738's too.

Alex

DL wants to use 757s on transatlantic routes, so i'm guessing they will for at least some.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Quoting Pavlin (Reply 2):
Good news. I wonder why did Boeing ever offer 737 and 757 without winglets

Three reasons. First, they added to the purchase priced. Second, they have to be maintained. With the price of jet fuel in the '90s and early '00s, the savings didn't justify the additional expenses.

Third, I can't speak for the 757, but the 737 has a five-foot wider wingspan with winglets. Without winglets, a 737-800 could park at a gate that could handle a 727-200 or MD-80. With the winglets, 737s now are more limited in the gates they can use. AA didn't want to sacrifice the flexibility until jet fuel became so expensive.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7069 times:

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 7):
Does anyone know the price of the winglets for 757s?

Well, as a point of reference, 737NG winglets usually run around $750,000-$800k/pair. AA says the modification on the 757 is much more invasive than the 737, so figure a set of 757 winglets + installation costs for one aircraft could be pushing ~$1,000,000.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 13):
Delta will do it soon...they do everything after everyone else does....

Now, now. This just isn't the case. For instance, Delta was first to...no, no, that was Northwest......Delta was the first...wait, no, that was United.......um.......Delta was the first to use the word "delta" in their name. See, Delta was the first to do something before somebody else did.

Actually, I could name some actual Delta firsts I know of...but they date back to the 1950s and before then...



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

That looks like AA is not ready to order new planes, respectively the 787, yet, or at least only with a long delivery schedule. That investment is a signal that the 757 will be around for a while...


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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

Just how long in terms of flights or miles will these winglets pay for themselves? I think that figure may come into play for airlines who would like to get them for their fleet, but may not have the available funds right now.

Neil



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 17):
Actually, I could name some actual Delta firsts I know of...but they date back to the 1950s and before then...

First US carrier to serve FUK and NGO directly from the Mainland USA. They served PDX-FUK and PDX-NGO till 2001 I believe. NW served FUK & NGO to HNL with a DC10 but DL served from PDX with an MD11. NW started DTW-NGO service the same year, but DL arrived first.

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User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6886 times:

they are $750,000 a pair.


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6771 times:

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 18):
That looks like AA is not ready to order new planes, respectively the 787, yet, or at least only with a long delivery schedule. That investment is a signal that the 757 will be around for a while...

You're right, they're not. The 757s and the 767s are reasonably young, the youngest 767 in AA's fleet is only 3 years old. I think you'll see more narrow body MD80 replacements(read:738s) before you'll see 787s, IF AA decides to start acquiring new aircraft again. Whenever that may be.



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

Excellent. Nothing better than a fine B752 with blended winglets

Tom


User currently offlineCoyoteguy From Mexico, joined Oct 2001, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6283 times:

I was driving past Fort Lauderdale airport the other day when I thought I saw an AA 752 with winglets.... I was a bit surprised as I didn't know they had any... but since I was moving quite fast on I-95 at the time I was not 100% sure that was what I had seen. Since they already have 8 in service according to that link, I guess I was right! Nice to know!

25 AirMailer : IIRC Delta was the first to use a hub network.
26 Geo772 : Based on the maths in some of the posts above American should see a positive return on investment for these winglets within about 3 years. That is pre
27 DesertFlyer : I flew on one with winglets from KOA-LAX and it was sure sexy. It's also good to know not only are they saving fuel, but emmiting less CO2 as a result
28 ROA757 : Does anyone else think Boeing may have missed a mark here, closing the 757 line too early?
29 777STL : I think if it would have been economical for them to do so, they would have.
30 LMP737 : With the installation of the low drag tailcones replacing the old style on it's MD-80's AA expects to make up the investment in little over a year.
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