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User currently offlineContinentalGuy From United States of America, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

Do any planes have First Class at the back of the cabin?

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User currently offlineSapphireLHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

WHAT !!....it would mean they would HAVE to get on first !!!
AND.... have to leave the bar and lounges more than ten minutes before the gate closes
AND... the poor luvvies would have to walk all that way !!
AND... to have to pass all of us ordinary folk

Good grief......and what if they had to queue for a toilet !!!!!

I,m coming over all faint..........


User currently offlineCEO@AFG From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 245 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

ATR's have this feature.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

Probably not unless they plan on boarding through the rear at every station they visit.

User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

the noise issue probably comes into play as well. The front of the plane is usually much quieter than the rear.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9276 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

IIRC the Vanguards had the First Cabin in the rear of the aircraft, at least on BEA.

Would be impractical in these days with airbridge boarding, especially on de-planing. Just imagine, everybody in Y has to sit tight until the first passengers are through.  crowded 



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User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

I flew on a DC7 of Pan Am which had First Class in the rear L 188 Electras did too. Those were the days.

User currently offlineJrebel From Sweden, joined Aug 2000, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

I recall flying first class on an Interflug Ilyushin 18. The cabin was in the back of the aircraft. Had the egalitarian communists been true to their principles, they would of course had a one-class cabin!

Johan


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6881 times:

Part of my years as BOAC Air Cabin Crew were spent in working First Class on Bristol Britannia 102 aircraft in 1961 and 1962.

Being a propeller aircraft the cabin was at the rear of the aircraft and very quiet. We normally carried around 16 pax, but on occasions this increased to 24 on the routes to the Middle East and Gulf.

There were two F/C toilet areas on the aircraft - two seats for the ladies, and one for gentlemen, plus a stand-up urinal in the gents section.

Embarking and disembarking was always done by a separate set of steps at the rear.

Yes, those were the days! Cabin Crew today will never know, or even be able to emulate, the product and cabin service of the early 60s.

The majority of BA's Britannias were sold to a new charter airline at the time called Britannia Airways.



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6867 times:

This was kind of discussed here http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2863070/6/#ID2863070 though is more to do with the location of F or J on a prop.

7L



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting Aeri28 (Reply 4):
the noise issue probably comes into play as well. The front of the plane is usually much quieter than the rear.

True, but the mountains are up front.



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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

I'm writing all this from memory- please correct me if I'm wrong.
Back in the prop days, the 1st class was at the back of the plane because it was quieter and more comfortable, more space was available.
The early 707s had the 1st class at the rear end of the plane- the cabin layout was essentially the same as in a prop plane. Then someone/some people (anyone know who?) noticed that it was quieter at the front end of the plane, in front of the engines, than at the back, where you could hear the jetblast better. So the cabin layout was changed to more or less what we see today.
I have no idea if it has to do anything with comfort- turbulence/vibration related.



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User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 1):
AND... to have to pass all of us ordinary folk

That's probably the worth in your list Big grin


User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

oups! too late to edit.

Try again :

That's probably the worst in your list


User currently offlineJonno From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 1):

You know, it's funny. I have noticed that, uniformly, First and C Class passengers are quieter and better behaved than Y Class passengers. It's Y Class passengers who push, shove, and generally make complete pratts of themselves. I sense a treacly jealousy in your post. I fly First or not at all. No, I'm not sensationally wealthy, I just know that I want my air journey to be as smooth and comfortable as my holiday. So, next time you stick yer spear into the pot w/what I consider to be an inappropriate and somewhat uncalled for comment, check out the First and C Class fares. They're not THAT much more than Y.
 conehead 


User currently offlineKatekebo From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 702 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Propeller driven airplanes (piston engine and turboprops) used to have first class cabins in the back, because it was much quieter there. Boarding was not an issue because it was before jetways were invented, and boarding was made via stair from the back of the airplane, sometimes both back and front.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21503 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

The Queen Mary had First Class in the middle...

Whoops, wrong forum...



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User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

I flew a Czech Airlines prop plane from MUC-PRG around 2000. I was flying stand-by and was given seat 2D at the gate; I though, how nice, they've given me first class. Turns out first class was at the rear.

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6177 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 5437 times:
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Quoting Jonno (Reply 14):
You know, it's funny. I have noticed that, uniformly, First and C Class passengers are quieter and better behaved than Y Class passengers.

I recall that it was an executive in an AA flight flying on F to Europe that decided to join the mile high club. When discovered and forbidden to, he proceeded to shit on the meal cart. There will always be assholes in F, C, or Y

Quoting Jonno (Reply 14):
They're not THAT much more than Y.

I hope you are being sarcastic.



MGGS
User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 5409 times:

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 6):
I flew on a DC7 of Pan Am which had First Class in the rear L 188 Electras did too. Those were the days.

Pretty much away from all the prop noise and engine vibrations from being up front. The rear of these planes are a good way back from the wing by design as the wing is postioned more toward the front of the fuselage. Flew on all the DCs, Connies, Viscounts and Electras myself as well in S. America with various carriers. And I remember the noise up toward the front! BUT, those were the days, as you mentioned....loved those birds!

amazonphil



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6177 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5270 times:
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For some time TWA moved its first class on its L-1011's and B-747's to the middle (or close) from the aircraft. This, they said, so passengers, especially in the 747 would get the sensation of more space.


MGGS
User currently offlineUsdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

To be honest, I always liked the seat arrangements that Southwest used to have in some of its older 737's. In the back, right by the galley, were a couple of rows facing each other with a divider between them and the rest of the plane. I used to fly back there with some friends, have cocktails and chat with the flight attendants. I didn't notice much noise, and it all seemed more private for some reason. I don't see why having first in the back wouldn't seem more exclusive and thus a better idea.

User currently offlineJrebel From Sweden, joined Aug 2000, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Quoting Usdcaguy (Reply 21):
a couple of rows facing each other with a divider between

KL used to have a separate little lounge at the front of the Royal Class cabin on their DC8-63s. 2 x 2 seats with a table between them. First class pax, especially families, would be invited to have dinner there.

Johan


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 18):
There will always be assholes in F, C, or Y

 thumbsup 

We were queuing down the jetbridge for a recent flight from SIN to MAN via ZRH.

At SIN, the airbridges split into two so the business class passengers can have their own entrance. As we stood in the queue, we heard a posh English voice approaching from behind.

”Excuse me!”
“Out of my way please I’m business class!”
“Come on, please move out of my way.”
“Move please I’m business class”.

I turned around to see a guy wearing a suit followed by a couple of others pushing (and I mean pushing) their way through the queue to get to their entrance. They were actually rude enough to grab people on the shoulders and push them out of the way. He got to me and said “Please move I’m business class”. I stood their and turned round. In a moment of total spontaneity, I stood in front of him and said loud enough for the queue to hear “Oh I’m ever so sorry, I didn’t realise having a business class ticket gave you a license to be rude and abusive to the other passengers”. The look I received in return was worth it alone and could have turned milk to cheese. I had obviously hit the nail on the head as he simply turned and walked on. I felt much better after that  Smile

We just thought "What ignorant idiots", it certainly doesn't make you think any better of them.


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Quoting SapphireLHR (Reply 1):
WHAT !!....it would mean they would HAVE to get on first !!!
AND.... have to leave the bar and lounges more than ten minutes before the gate closes
AND... the poor luvvies would have to walk all that way !!
AND... to have to pass all of us ordinary folk

Good grief......and what if they had to queue for a toilet !!!!!

I,m coming over all faint..........

Get over it, if you had the money you would happily fly around in F. There are equal assholes in all classes,

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
25 Post contains images Isitsafenow : The early 707's and DC-8's had F up front because it was quieter there. The props and turboprops(L188) that had F had Y up front because it was quiet
26 OzGlobal : I flew on a BA prop from Dusseldorf to LGW in 2001 and Club Europe was situated at the back for the reasons already outlined: quieter and closest to r
27 Boysteve : Haha, that made me laugh, although I obviously feel for the F/A that had to sort it out. Hopefully they were banned from flying AA in future. What? A
28 FLYACYYZ : Perhaps somebody can confirm. I believe that Thai Airways DC-10's had Business Class up front, and First Class in the middle. Also, before my time, bu
29 Swissy : When I flew them back in the early 90's they had F up front, C and than E class. I wish I could have experienced that time period of air travel as I
30 Post contains images Gr8Circle : That's true.....my dad tells me that the AI Super Connies, way back in the 50's and early 60's, had the First Class at the back..... AI was one of th
31 Vanguard : OT I know..... This is not a subject I've really given much thought about, but is this (about sanitation on a Britannia) true? Multiple urinals save
32 Carduelis : The urinal quote was actually mine - Reply 8, not 9 - Why only one? Space obviously, and postioned there just in case some other gentleman was using t
33 Vfw614 : In both cases, you were on an ATR. However, it has nothing to do with the noise but with the fact that most ATRs have the passenger entrance at the r
34 Post contains images Tod : Like this? Tod
35 Vanguard : Ah ha! I had clicked on the 'quote highlighted text' _below_ and not above! My point is that I have never heard of urinals on any aircraft! Presumabl
36 Post contains links NASBWI : I don't know if it was so much an option as it was more or less one of the earliest ATR 72 models. The -42, I think was primarily aft-entry. I do rec
37 Vfw614 : After thinking about it for a while, I seem to remember that I was recently on two ATR72s with a forward entrance door. One was an Aero Airlines (Esto
38 MCOflyer : The AE ATR 72 I was on boarded from the rear. MCOflyer
39 NASBWI : True...having seen a few pictures of -201s, Finnair and Brit Air also has a few - Finnair got theirs from Kar Air, which, IIRC was the launch custome
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